Waterford Airport.

Fox Uniform

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Again, there's absolutely no chance of this happening. 365,000 passengers used Kerry Airport last year. Close to 50% of these were either using the Dublin flight, which Waterford won't gain due to its proximity to Dublin, or the German flights primarily for inbound tourists, which Waterford won't gain as German tourists won't go to the South East in sufficient numbers to sustain a route.

Waterford almost hit 150,000 with turboprops - They wont hit 365,000 in year one or two but they will have no problem witting that by year 3.

A 75% load factor on London alone will bring in 100,000

alta stare

Fox Uniform wrote: »

Its easy to make it sound like Waterford got this big lump of 20M and wasted it, any money Waterford got the other regionals got similar. The main thing with most of this funding is that it was linked to safety and security. For all these projects their had to be a valid reason for the spend and it had to be approved by the DoT.

Aviation is not a cheap game - Upgrade of fire appliance around 2008 was 1.2 million.

Runway surface was overlaid in 2011. It is costing Knock 4.5 Million - As a guess Waterford is 1/2 the size so around 2.25 Million

Over the years there was been serious upgrading of lighting, landing systems and safety areas.

I'm sure somewhere on the DoT website there is a document everything has to be accounted for.

Ah yeah im sure all is above board but who knows eh. I think the indo are trying to portray wrong doing so someone there or with contacts there really dont want Waterford airport to progress.

Masala

Fox Uniform wrote: »

Waterford almost hit 150,000 with turboprops - They wont hit 365,000 in year one or two but they will have no problem witting that by year 3.

A 75% load factor on London alone will bring in 100,000

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=1zNdw4DaUM8

sunnysoutheast

Fox Uniform wrote: »

Waterford almost hit 150,000 with turboprops - They wont hit 365,000 in year one or two but they will have no problem witting that by year 3.

A 75% load factor on London alone will bring in 100,000

Often wonder what would have happened had Stobart not moved the flights from Luton to Southend.

I know quite a few weekly commuters to the UK who stopped using the WAT flights as it was so inconvenient for them at the UK end.

azimuth17

As this forum is replete with aero specialists, travel economists, regional development experts and forecasters of doom and gloom and will not work etc, might they all just look at this project as an FDI investment. It may succeed, it may not, but those involved have enough confidence to put their own money into the venture. It might also be worthwhile asking ourselves about the might have beens? If our airport had been gifted, remember, gifted, a full length jet runway in 1985 like Knock, where do people think we might be with Ryanair now? I for one believe they would still be here. We will never be flying A380s as someone said here already, but with Brexit and the need to support the airport for R117, pilot training and steady volume of business traffic in private planes, the investment is hardly off the wall,

Max Powers

azimuth17 wrote: »

As this forum is replete with aero specialists, travel economists, regional development experts and forecasters of doom and gloom and will not work etc, might they all just look at this project as an FDI investment. It may succeed, it may not, but those involved have enough confidence to put their own money into the venture. It might also be worthwhile asking ourselves about the might have beens? If our airport had been gifted, remember, gifted, a full length jet runway in 1985 like Knock, where do people think we might be with Ryanair now? I for one believe they would still be here. We will never be flying A380s as someone said here already, but with Brexit and the need to support the airport for R117, pilot training and steady volume of business traffic in private planes, the investment is hardly off the wall,

Absolutely, 5mill, I think the fact that we get sod all govt investment in the main and then we get 5mill backed by same private and commentators and media on our back has pi$€ed a lot of people here right off, cant say I blame them, small money, hardly off the wall as you say when they spend multiples of that on parks in cork, cinemas in Galway, sites in LK and billions on various transport stuff for Dublin.

Bards

It's thing's like this that make you think we might be better off leaving the Republic and plough our own furrow.. Population of the SE is almost twice that of Iceland

Harry Palmr

South east? Feck that - Democratic Deise Republic, twinned with Monaco and Liechtenstein. 10% tax for workers and companies.

space2ground1

vriesmays wrote: »

Next up for Waterford: a zoo with no animals.

Do you think Dublin put all the animals in a field and then built the zoo?

Wanderer78

Harry Palmr wrote:

South east? Feck that - Democratic Deise Republic, twinned with Monaco and Liechtenstein. 10% tax for workers and companies.

We re already a tax haven for multinationals, it wouldn't kill them if they paid a little more

jmcc

Fox Uniform wrote: »

Waterford almost hit 150,000 with turboprops - They wont hit 365,000 in year one or two but they will have no problem witting that by year 3.

A 75% load factor on London alone will bring in 100,000

How much would airlines save on fuel costs by making Waterford their primary airport for the South of Ireland traffic rather than Cork?

Regards...jmcc

Cosmo Kramer

Significant amounts as most of them would stop flying to the south of Ireland altogether.

snotboogie

road_high wrote: »

Cork defo feels threatened- they’ve even launched a ridiculous social media ad trying to get Kilkenny people to use it over Dublin so they’re desperate for passengers- the airport has really struggled so the last thing they’d want is more competition. Cork hasn’t a massive catchment bar cork city itself, delusions of grandeur but the passenger figures don’t lie.

Which figures are those? Cork set to hit 2.6 million pax this year for its fourth year of consecutive growth. The infrastructure isn’t good enough for Cork and Waterford to be significant threats to each other, even Cork and Shannon have very little crossover in catchment. The motorways to Dublin with cheap buses, huge route choice, massive frequency and low prices will continue to be the biggest threat to all regional airports. The M9 will present a far bigger challenge to Waterford airport than Cork. Good luck!

Bards

M9 works both ways in that it increases the catchment population of the Airport
who reside within 60 minutes

snotboogie

Bards wrote: »

M9 works both ways in that it increases the catchment population of the Airport
who reside within 60 minutes

That is really optimistic, the M7 and M8 decimated Shannon and Cork who both had extraordinary route options at the time. Waterford with a daily Luton route and a few times weekly bucket and spades isn’t going to pull down people from the likes of Carlow who can nearly as quickly get to Dublin.

jmcc

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Significant amounts as most of them would stop flying to the south of Ireland altogether.

Based on your attempt at a smart reply, you don't understand the question.

Regards...jmcc

Bards

A more balanced article https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/high-hopes-as-waterford-airport-gets-12m-funding-boost-1.3926248?mode=amp

Bards

.. And Dublin port company spent almost 7m euro on a garden..FFS

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/stateowned-dublin-port-pays-7m-for-garden-at-hq-and-205k-for-ferry-launch-song-38222616.html

Wanderer78

Bards wrote:

.. And Dublin port company spent almost 7m euro on a garden..FFS

Tis a fair nice garden in fairness

julyjane

snotboogie wrote: »

That is really optimistic, the M7 and M8 decimated Shannon and Cork who both had extraordinary route options at the time. Waterford with a daily Luton route and a few times weekly bucket and spades isn’t going to pull down people from the likes of Carlow who can nearly as quickly get to Dublin.

Does anyone even enjoy flying from Dublin anymore though? I hate it and given the choice I'd pay a small bit extra to fly from a regional airport and not have to navigate the unpredictable M50, park so far from the airport that you need a bus to go the rest of the way and then walk miles to your gate, usually with hours to spare because we had to leave so early or because the flight is delayed.

Wanderer78

julyjane wrote: »

Does anyone even enjoy flying from Dublin anymore though? I hate it and given the choice I'd pay a small bit extra to fly from a regional airport and not have to navigate the unpredictable M50, park so far from the airport that you need a bus to go the rest of the way and then walk miles to your gate, usually with hours to spare because we had to leave so early or because the flight is delayed.

yea i like it, but flying locally would rock

Masala

julyjane wrote: »

Does anyone even enjoy flying from Dublin anymore though? I hate it and given the choice I'd pay a small bit extra to fly from a regional airport and not have to navigate the unpredictable M50, park so far from the airport that you need a bus to go the rest of the way and then walk miles to your gate, usually with hours to spare because we had to leave so early or because the flight is delayed.

How much 'small bit extra ' would you pay. ??

Will u pay €200 return on Stobart aircraft to Luton?? Versus €75 return on Ryanair out of Dublin??

Gardner

DLS_75 wrote: »

Honestly, do you work for John Halligan or are you just related to him?

jaysus that's embarrassing mate. think i will stoop to your level.... do you work for the Indo?:o

Harry Palmr

Masala wrote: »

How much 'small bit extra ' would you pay. ??

Will u pay €200 return on Stobart aircraft to Luton?? Versus €75 return on Ryanair out of Dublin??

What does it cost to drive or be a passenger to Dublin airport and back, how much does parking at the airport cost? How much is time worth?

julyjane

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What does it cost to drive or be a passenger to Dublin airport and back, how much does parking at the airport cost? How much is time worth?

I'd probably pay the €200 if it was just me but yes I see the point if it's a family of 5 you'd have to go for the cheaper option. I met a family of 3 on holidays once who told me they live very close to cork airport but still flew from Dublin to save money - 3 tolls each way, petrol, parking and an overnight in one of the Dublin airport hotels and I was thinking to myself "jaysus how much was the flight from cork"

hardybuck

I think Ireland, as a country of this size, is pretty fortunate to have an airport like Dublin. I don't think the likes of Wales would have the choice of routes from Cardiff, nor would Scotland via either Glasgow or Edinburgh.

What Waterford will hope to do is offer an alternative option to some popular routes in the UK and maybe a couple of European holiday destinations for some of the year.

The likes of Dawn Meats and Glanbia probably have a couple of routes in mind that they send their people to regularly, hence why they're probable investors. I wouldn't be surprised to see a route in Germany like Frankfurt or Berlin ending up on the route map.

The average family will probably still be going to Dublin for their package holiday departure, or to save the ~€150 per passenger they might get. A business, or maybe solo travelers or couples, may be prepared to pay the premium for the convenience.

Max Powers

julyjane wrote: »

I'd probably pay the €200 if it was just me but yes I see the point if it's a family of 5 you'd have to go for the cheaper option. I met a family of 3 on holidays once who told me they live very close to cork airport but still flew from Dublin to save money - 3 tolls each way, petrol, parking and an overnight in one of the Dublin airport hotels and I was thinking to myself "jaysus how much was the flight from cork"

I'd definitely pay a premium, maybe not 200 quid premium for just myself.I don't think that would be the extra money we would be talking about.

hardybuck

Max Powers wrote: »

I'd definitely pay a premium, maybe not 200 quid premium for just myself.I don't think that would be the extra money we would be talking about.

That's the ballpark difference you would have encountered before. That's probably one of the reasons they went out of business.

Time will tell depending on who is interested in establishing operations into the future.

fricatus

So I take it the runway is to be extended at both ends? Is there space within the existing road network, or will the road at the southern end need to be moved? Are there any maps online?

Harry Palmr

Answer here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110439369&postcount=1993