Sean Quinn Jailed

sfwcork

He will have to up the ante on his celebrity endrsements.The others were too low profile

Maybe he can get slyvester slalonne and then to appeal to the young guys/gals he can go with flo rida or else lance armstrong.he would be going cheap these days

R P McMurphy

WileyCoyote wrote: »

My arse, he and his family are nothing but lowlife crooks and liars, the scummiest of the scummiest.

Wishing AIDS on someone could be considered a pretty scummy outlook as well though

folan

well, if he clears his contempt of court, he will be free.

hopefully he will clear his contempt of court so.

Death and Taxes

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Wishing AIDS on someone could be considered a pretty scummy outlook as well though

I wasn't wishing AIDS on someone , that is a person, I am wishing it on a lowlife family of rats!

smash

This is going to be like the scene from goodfellas, all the quinns in their own quarters eating fresh lobster...

Mr.Crinklewood

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Wishing AIDS on someone could be considered a pretty scummy outlook as well though

I`m assuming the poster is banned now.

steve9859

Quinn can stop this any time he wants........

monkeybutter

opinionated3 wrote: »

And Bertie wasn't ??

Bertie is a scumbag, but a smarter scumbag than poor old Seanie.

I love when people try to excuse one scumbag by mentioning another, lets not send anyone to prison unless they are worse than Hitler.

He got greedy and he got caught with his pants down. No doubt they already had enough squirreled away to live comfortably for the rest of their lives before all this happened , but they weren't happy with this. Was this a mistake?

When you are worth 5 billion a few 10s of millions just wont do you, so he was willing to risk a few weeks in prison to essentially steal 500m from all of us. Looks like he's pretty smart after all.

Don't forget he is trying to steal this money from you and me, all of us.

9 weeks of free dinners in jail might do him the world of good, seeing as he reckons hes bankrupt.

Death and Taxes

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

I`m assuming the poster is banned now.

Amazing how it is acceptable to send others who done less to the Base in the Joy, but it is not ok to wish it on Quinn

wandatowell

Whats with all the anti Cavan talk?

Bit harsh no?

bbam

wandatowell wrote: »

Whats with all the anti Cavan talk?

Bit harsh no?

Indeed..
Most of us Cavan folk are damn glad to see some justice dished out... Its a great start...

kunst nugget

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I suspect that for many Quinn supporters their motivation is more anti a corrupt state that has shafted them than pro a crooked businessman.

I suspect it's because Quinn studiously perfected the image of the ordinary daycent fella, accumulating billions of euros while handing out a couple of token jobs to the locals.

How these people are blind to the legacy Quinn will have on all our insurance policies for decades to come and his major part in the downfall of Anglo is beyond me.

actuallylike

WileyCoyote wrote: »

I wasn't wishing AIDS on someone , that is a person, I am wishing it on a lowlife family of rats!

Yes, they're not actually human, they're rats. Figuratively and literally, look them up.

godtabh

Dancor wrote: »

Enough time to get across the border.

Thats what I was thinking. He'll never see the inside of a cell I bet

Annasopra

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Amazing how it is acceptable to send others who done less to the Base in the Joy, but it is not ok to wish it on Quinn

It not ok to wish that on anyone.

humanji

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I notice a divide in Irish society. Urban crooks are tolerated much more than rural ones. There is an underlying anti rural sentiment in this thread. Terms like inbreds, rednecks, tractor driving, pitchfork wielding, etc.

No mention of the amount of Dubliners who helped Berie top the poll over the decades he was taking dirty money and telling us he won it on the gee gees. I suspect that for many Quinn supporters their motivation is more anti a corrupt state that has shafted them than pro a crooked businessman.

You do realise that people can want Quinn in jail for his crimes as well as wanting all the others who were responsible in jail too? The main argument for Quinn supporters seems to be "Sure the other fellas were worse". Bizarre.

Dodge

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No mention of the amount of Dubliners who helped Berie top the poll over the decades he was taking dirty money and telling us he won it on the gee gees.

Because this thread isn't a 'what went wrongw ith the economy' thread. its about a lying, cheating convicted criminal who absolutely had a large part in the down fall of this country.

I suspect that for many Quinn supporters their motivation is more anti a corrupt state that has shafted them than pro a crooked businessman.

If they really do believe that the State is corrupt for seeking to get the Quinns to repay what they owe, and following up with criminal charges, then they absolutely deserve to be mocked

The argument that Quinn isn't the only one 'at it' is frankly ridiculous. Nobody is saying he is. but they have to start somewhere. Get Quinn, follow up with the rest.

humanji

WileyCoyote wrote: »

I wasn't wishing AIDS on someone , that is a person, I am wishing it on a lowlife family of rats!

Don't post in this thread again.

SafeSurfer

humanji wrote: »

You do realise that people can want Quinn in jail for his crimes as well as wanting all the others who were responsible in jail too? The main argument for Quinn supporters seems to be "Sure the other fellas were worse". Bizarre.

No. The first man in jail as a result of the Irish economic collapse is an entrepreneur.

He has lost his business as a result of his mistakes.

Civil servants who made huge mistakes like Patrick Neary, ex financial regulator, got rewarded by a €600,000 golden handshake for his.

Members of the last cabinet, Cowen et al, all being paid massive pensions from borrowed money for their incompetence.

Its not that "sure others are worse". Its that there is a protected elite in this country who remain beyond accountability.

steve9859

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No. The first man in jail as a result of the Irish economic collapse is an entrepreneur.

He has lost his business as a result of his mistakes.

Civil servants who made huge mistakes like Patrick Neary, ex financial regulator, got rewarded by a €600,000 golden handshake for his.

Members of the last cabinet, Cowen et al, all being paid massive pensions from borrowed money for their incompetence.

Its not that "sure others are worse". Its that there is a protected elite in this country who remain beyond accountability.

There's a difference between incompetence and Quinn's brazen illegality and theft. Those that are suspected of breaking the law are due to face trial (Sean Fitz, Willie McAteer and Pat Whelan)

Dodge

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No. The first man in jail as a result of the Irish economic collapse is an entrepreneur.

He's not in jail as a result of the economic collapse. he's in jail for contempt of court

He's still facing the charges relating to actively hiding his assets from the state while he owed millions as well as the charges relating to his illegal loans through Anglo etc

What does it matter if he's first? If he's guilty, then he's guilty

HellFireClub

There is one very simple argument here that I agree with his supporters on, and it is this: If the issuing of the loan to him and his family or his organisation, was an illegal act, then how on earth can he be held to be responsible for paying it???

That argument needed to be settled first, before all these other actions were taken, because by Jesus, we'll be needing a 2nd bailout if that loan was found to be illegal, therefore unenforceable, and he gets a judge of the High Court in this country to issue such a declaration, because if you think the sums gone into Anglo are massive, he'll be entitled to compensation of the order that we have never previously witnessed.

SafeSurfer

Dodge wrote: »

Because this thread isn't a 'what went wrongw ith the economy' thread. its about a lying, cheating convicted criminal who absolutely had a large part in the down fall of this country.




If they really do believe that the State is corrupt for seeking to get the Quinns to repay what they owe, and following up with criminal charges, then they absolutely deserve to be mocked

The argument that Quinn isn't the only one 'at it' is frankly ridiculous. Nobody is saying he is. but they have to start somewhere. Get Quinn, follow up with the rest.

They have to start somewhere?

We were paying an insurance levy many years ago thanks to AIB and ICI insurance. The Irish banks have a long, long history of corruption, lying, cheating, tax evasion and there has not been one banker jailed in this country EVER!

Even in the non resident accounts scandal the banks' historic legacy was capped but for the people they encouraged to open non resident accounts the liability was unlimited.

Eugene Sheahy, AIB chief at the time of the bank guarantee, on a €500,000 pension. Quinn is a fall guy to appease the peasants.

darced

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Dodge

HellFireClub wrote: »

There is one very simple argument here that I agree with his supporters on

You say that like you're not a supporter...

humanji

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No. The first man in jail as a result of the Irish economic collapse is an entrepreneur.

He has lost his business as a result of his mistakes.

Civil servants who made huge mistakes like Patrick Neary, ex financial regulator, got rewarded by a €600,000 golden handshake for his.

Members of the last cabinet, Cowen et al, all being paid massive pensions from borrowed money for their incompetence.

Its not that "sure others are worse". Its that there is a protected elite in this country who remain beyond accountability.

The first man in jail is in jail for contempt of court. That's him turning to the courts, to the nation, to you and me and saying "F*ck you, I'm better than you and your laws don't apply to me!" This is not injustice. This is justice.

And you're doing exactly what I said was being done. You're deflecting blame away from Quinn by saying others are worse. Of course others are worse. That's no reason for Quinn to be allowed flaunt our laws or not answer for what he's done.

Dodge

SafeSurfer wrote: »

They have to start somewhere?

We were paying an insurance levy many years ago thanks to AIB and ICI insurance. The Irish banks have a long, long history of corruption, lying, cheating, tax evasion and there has not been one banker jailed in this country EVER!

Even in the non resident accounts scandal the banks' historic legacy was capped but for the people they encouraged to open non resident accounts the liability was unlimited.

Eugene Sheahy, AIB chief at the time of the bank guarantee, on a €500,000 pension. Quinn is a fall guy to appeal the peasants.

Again, the argument isn't whether he's the only one. The argument is whether he's guilty or not. The "they were all doing it" excuse should be left to primary schoolers

K-9

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No. The first man in jail as a result of the Irish economic collapse is an entrepreneur.

He has lost his business as a result of his mistakes.

Civil servants who made huge mistakes like Patrick Neary, ex financial regulator, got rewarded by a €600,000 golden handshake for his.

Members of the last cabinet, Cowen et al, all being paid massive pensions from borrowed money for their incompetence.

Its not that "sure others are worse". Its that there is a protected elite in this country who remain beyond accountability.

That's all well and good but Quinn has only himself to blame for this sentence, the family have behaved particularly stupidly in this court case.

My name is URL

Has there been any riots in Cavan yet?

HellFireClub

Dodge wrote: »

You say that like you're not a supporter...

I've already fúcking said I'm not a supporter, I live in Dublin, I have no connections to Cavan or him or his family. It's simple business common sense. On the face of it, how can a loan that appears to have been issued illegally, be enforceable? If it is unenforceable, how can any securities that are attached to the loan, be just taken off a person or a corporate entity?!? You wouldn't see the likes of it in Somalia.

9959

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I notice a divide in Irish society. Urban crooks are tolerated much more than rural ones. There is an underlying anti rural sentiment in this thread. Terms like inbreds, rednecks, tractor driving, pitchfork wielding, etc.

No mention of the amount of Dubliners who helped Berie top the poll over the decades he was taking dirty money and telling us he won it on the gee gees. I suspect that for many Quinn supporters their motivation is more anti a corrupt state that has shafted them than pro a crooked businessman.

Those dastardly dirty Dubliners, they wrecked our country, so they did Ted, Michael Lowry (Tipperary), Denis O'Brien (Cork), Michael Fingleton (Sligo), Padraig - not forgetting the lovely Beverley - Flynn (Mayo), Dermot Ahern (Louth), Mary Coughlan (Donegal), Brian Cowan (Offaly), Noel Dempsey (Meath) etc. "Dubliners Ted, the lot of them".

SafeSurfer

humanji wrote: »

The first man in jail is in jail for contempt of court. That's him turning to the courts, to the nation, to you and me and saying "F*ck you, I'm better than you and your laws don't apply to me!" This is not injustice. This is justice.

And you're doing exactly what I said was being done. You're deflecting blame away from Quinn by saying others are worse. Of course others are worse. That's no reason for Quinn to be allowed flaunt our laws or not answer for what he's done.

Well how can you say its justice for one person to be treated differently than others?

alphabeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry2nvoANmOw

bbam

HellFireClub wrote: »

I've already fúcking said I'm not a supporter, I live in Dublin, I have no connections to Cavan or him or his family. It's simple business common sense. On the face of it, how can a loan that appears to have been issued illegally, be enforceable? If it is unenforceable, how can any securities that are attached to the loan, be just taken off a person or a corporate entity?!? You wouldn't see the likes of it in Somalia.

He was ordered by the high court not to move the ownership of his assets out of his or the company name..

The proceeded and have admitted to going full square on at moving as much of these assets away as he possibly could... a direct two fingers to the high court directions..

He has actually been jailed as being "in contempt" of the high court directions, not for non payment of the loan..

He knew full well what he was getting into as did his family, now that he has been held to account they need to proceed and recover as much of the assets as possible WHILE also following everyone else who was involved in this great swindle, it will taint this win for justice if the other parties aren't also sent down too..

This is a start, and a welcome start to the full list who need addressing.

Pal

HellFireClub wrote: »

On the face of it, how can a loan that appears to have been issued illegally, be enforceable? .

I think you can relax Sir. No need to fret.

Picture the scene :
Sean says - "I'm sorry Your Honour, but they made me take the money"
Judge - "ORLY"

Sean goes to jail

END

humanji

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Well how can you say its justice for one person to be treated differently than others?

Were others not held in contempt when they held the court in contempt? I may have missed those other trials.

MistyCheese

baldbear wrote: »

Joe Duffy will be rubbing himself

Oh, hello again lunch.

smash

My name is URL wrote: »

Has there been any riots in Cavan yet?

Reports of violent cow tipping incidents coming in all over the place.

SafeSurfer

Dodge wrote: »

Again, the argument isn't whether he's the only one. The argument is whether he's guilty or not. The "they were all doing it" excuse should be left to primary schoolers

So to continue the primary school analogy is the Irish state participating in "making an example of" justice? If hundreds of cars sped past a Garda car and you were the only one convicted for speeding, would you think, yes fair cop, I am guilty or would you feel aggrieved that only you were prosecuted?

Scuba_Scoper

HellFireClub wrote: »

I've already fúcking said I'm not a supporter, I live in Dublin, I have no connections to Cavan or him or his family. It's simple business common sense. On the face of it, how can a loan that appears to have been issued illegally, be enforceable? If it is unenforceable, how can any securities that are attached to the loan, be just taken off a person or a corporate entity?!? You wouldn't see the likes of it in Somalia.

Can you define, what, in your opinion, would lead you to believe that a loan was issued illegally? and which statute it contravenes. Thanks.

Dodge

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So to continue the primary school analogy is the Irish state participating in "making an example of" justice? If hundreds of cars sped past a Garda car and you were the only one convicted for speeding, would you think, yes fair cop, I am guilty or would you feel aggrieved that only you were prosecuted?

But they are actively pursuing the other cars (Fitz, whelan etc). The Quinns haven't been prosecuted for their many, many *alledged* other crimes

He's been convicted of contempt of court, because he's the only person (in this whole field...) who's guilty of that crime.

Unless you know different?

SafeSurfer

humanji wrote: »

Were others not held in contempt when they held the court in contempt? I may have missed those other trials.

NAMA are using taxpayers money to pay developers who have hidden assets up to €200,000 to remain running their own businesses.

kunst nugget

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Well how can you say its justice for one person to be treated differently than others?

So instead of trying to turn our country around and start making people answerable for their corrupt actions we should let them off because 'shure didn't that fella over there get away with it'.

It's time to start addressing the corruption that is endemic in this country and if they have to start with Sean Quinn, well so be it.

Pal

SafeSurfer wrote: »

NAMA are using taxpayers money to pay developers who have hidden assets up to €200,000 to remain running their own businesses.

Can we please talk about Sean Quinn. This is getting silly.

fishy fishy

well, I suppose they can't have their cake, and eat it too.
cake

sfwcork

wrote:

Origin by SafeSurfer
Well how can you say its justice for one person to be treated differently than others?

but yet you want him treated differently to the law abiding citizen

HeyThereDeliah

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No. The first man in jail as a result of the Irish economic collapse is an entrepreneur.

He has lost his business as a result of his mistakes.

Civil servants who made huge mistakes like Patrick Neary, ex financial regulator, got rewarded by a €600,000 golden handshake for his.

Members of the last cabinet, Cowen et al, all being paid massive pensions from borrowed money for their incompetence.

Its not that "sure others are worse". Its that there is a protected elite in this country who remain beyond accountability.

Did Quinn not steal from his company and give the money to his family?

He was stealing from you,me and others who had paid insurance premiums to his company.

He did not care about the consequences then but he has to face them now, better late than never sure.

humanji

SafeSurfer wrote: »

NAMA are using taxpayers money to pay developers who have hidden assets up to €200,000 to remain running their own businesses.

And? When this was brought up in court and NAMA were told to stop, did they continue to pay them?

General Zod

I'm in Cavan right now taking names for the civil unrest militia, or the Quinn-ta Brigada as we're calling ourselves.

Dartz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE

Relevant.