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DCM 2012 Graduates - the next step
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StephenRooney wrote: »So the Question is: how can I be sure of better endurance next time?
I'm hoping the answer is: I'm now working off a bigger & better base.. I've much more long runs under my belt etc.
Also should I (or us all) consider a longer run than 20 miles in prep for these marathons?
I hear of others doing 22 miles or 24 miles etc? Is this a personal choice?
Any tips much appreciated... to help me dull out the voices!
Thanks, Ste
That's the answer
You'll notice that each of the 3 20 mile runs will get easier and easier and by the end of the third one you'll know you won't run out of steam on the day.
In answer to the second question, personal choice. You could always extend the last 20 miler to about 22 miles if you like...0 -
That's the answer
You'll notice that each of the 3 20 mile runs will get easier and easier and by the end of the third one you'll know you won't run out of steam on the day.
In answer to the second question, personal choice. You could always extend the last 20 miler to about 22 miles if you like...
You're on the ball. Music to my ears. Thanks very much0 -
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That's the answer
You'll notice that each of the 3 20 mile runs will get easier and easier and by the end of the third one you'll know you won't run out of steam on the day.
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Not being an expert or anything but I think that confidence in your own ability (within reason) will have a lot to do with they way we will run & finish another marathon.We all know where we made mistakes in DCM12 & where we can improve, be it core training, increasing weekly or lsr mileage & once we work on those we'll know that we have the work done & what do when the pressure comes on. I know that when I run up a hill after 10 miles on a lsr & I feel wrecked half way up that all I have to do is to get to the top & I'll be back breathing ok'ish after 100 - 200 yards. When I got to the top of Roebuck Hill last Oct & the pressure was mounting not alone did I start to cave in physically I definately went mentally as well - fair enough its at 20 odd miles as opposed to 10 butthe mind games started & i didnt have the answers.0 -
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Had a recovery run tonight so I had plenty time to think about things. (btw these are my favourite runs now!)
It's incredible how far we have all come in just the past 6 months. Even looking back on the spreadsheet, the difference is mind-blowing. Midweek runs came into my head tonight and I had a flashback to one night last August/September. I remember it vividly, running along the same path at roughly the same time of day, the required distance that night was 8 slow miles, the longest midweek run I was required to do for DCM with HHN2.:) I even remember that day in work, dreading it and thinking about how was I going to run such a long distance after work. The evenings were even bright!!:rolleyes: 6 months is such a short length of time, yet enough time to make such a big difference from what seemed like something so tough then, seems just routine now.
It is just crazy looking back...I don't even feel like it's same person back then. Its amazing what running can do for you...when the runners are on but also when they are off.
Best of all we get to share it all on here! Even if we do look like lunatics to the rest of the outside world!!:)
So for those of you that might feel that the goal is a million miles away right now, it might not be so far away after all. Just keep putting in the work and it will pay off.
And for those of us on P&D, the work better bloody pay off!!
In summary, keep up the great work!!!:)
(and no, I have not been drinking! Although I could get drunk on fumes at this stage!! :pac:)0 -
Had a recovery run tonight so I had plenty time to think about things. (btw these are my favourite runs now!)
It's incredible how far we have all come in just the past 6 months. Even looking back on the spreadsheet, the difference is mind-blowing. Midweek runs came into my head tonight and I had a flashback to one night last August/September. I remember it vividly, running along the same path at roughly the same time of day, the required distance that night was 8 slow miles, the longest midweek run I was required to do for DCM with HHN2.:) I even remember that day in work, dreading it and thinking about how was I going to run such a long distance after work. The evenings were even bright!!:rolleyes: 6 months is such a short length of time, yet enough time to make such a big difference from what seemed like something so tough then, seems just routine now.
It is just crazy looking back...I don't even feel like it's same person back then. Its amazing what running can do for you...when the runners are on but also when they are off.
Best of all we get to share it all on here! Even if we do look like lunatics to the rest of the outside world!!:)
So for those of you that might feel that the goal is a million miles away right now, it might not be so far away after all. Just keep putting in the work and it will pay off.
And for those of us on P&D, the work better bloody pay off!!
In summary, keep up the great work!!!:)
(and no, I have not been drinking! Although I could get drunk on fumes at this stage!! :pac:)
I'd a similar moment last week! I remember dreading the mid week 8 miles and now it's a diddle. So it has to reflect in the results for us all at some stage this year!
Come on blockic you'd had one or two?! Ha ha0 -
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Speaking of drink, it's probably a no-brainer to say cutting it down is one of the keys to hitting your goal time, whether it's 3 hours or 4 hours. (If your goal is 5 hrs you can probably have the odd few pints).
It's the elephant in the room really, isn't it? Even in the build-up to DCM 2012 a lot of people posted about missing long runs and even entire races because of the booze.
I was going to say booze isn't much of a factor for me...but then I remembered that the only run I've missed recently was abandoned due to two guinness and a gin and tonic after the wonderful Ireland v England match ten days ago
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Speaking of drink, it's probably a no-brainer to say cutting it down is one of the keys to hitting your goal time, whether it's 3 hours or 4 hours. (If your goal is 5 hrs you can probably have the odd few pints).
It's the elephant in the room really, isn't it? Even in the build-up to DCM 2012 a lot of people posted about missing long runs and even entire races because of the booze.
I have pretty much cut out drink altogether since the month before DCM. It is a big factor that's for sure but at the same time it does not have to be cut out completely.
I've had 4 drinks since the turn of the year :eek:, this changing from going out weekly back last summer. I only go out now for big life events/occasions. Going out for the sake of it is long gone! When you have runs both Saturday and Sunday the partying just has to take a back seat. Particularlywhen they are LSRs.
The one good thing is that its now a cheap night for me when I go out and I'm getting plenty of abuse! Life of an athlete I guess!
(Just so happens that I have to bring forward my LSR this week as I'm out saturday night!) 0 -
Well said Blockic! You moved this stony grey Monaghan heartHad a recovery run tonight so I had plenty time to think about things. (btw these are my favourite runs now!)
It's incredible how far we have all come in just the past 6 months. Even looking back on the spreadsheet, the difference is mind-blowing. Midweek runs came into my head tonight and I had a flashback to one night last August/September. I remember it vividly, running along the same path at roughly the same time of day, the required distance that night was 8 slow miles, the longest midweek run I was required to do for DCM with HHN2.:) I even remember that day in work, dreading it and thinking about how was I going to run such a long distance after work. The evenings were even bright!!:rolleyes: 6 months is such a short length of time, yet enough time to make such a big difference from what seemed like something so tough then, seems just routine now.
It is just crazy looking back...I don't even feel like it's same person back then. Its amazing what running can do for you...when the runners are on but also when they are off.
Best of all we get to share it all on here! Even if we do look like lunatics to the rest of the outside world!!:)
So for those of you that might feel that the goal is a million miles away right now, it might not be so far away after all. Just keep putting in the work and it will pay off.
And for those of us on P&D, the work better bloody pay off!!
In summary, keep up the great work!!!:)
(and no, I have not been drinking! Although I could get drunk on fumes at this stage!! :pac:)
I think it’s a good point actually, it’s sort of a case of not being able to see the wood for the trees, you get so caught up in the plan that you’re following and your next race or upcoming goal, that sometimes we need to take a step back and see how far we’ve come, rather than just concentrating on how far we have to go.
I don’t know if I entirely agree with this, I do agree that it’s not a good idea to be going out on the tear every weekend, but I do think it’s ok to have a few drinks, relax and forget about running every now and again! I think when the plans get tough, it can feel like you’re living, eating, sleeping and drinking running and I think for sanity reasons it’s nice to get out for a night and forget about it for a while! That said, I wouldn’t go out that often at the best of times and I probably did cut down a bit in the weeks leading up to the marathon. It’s probably more of an issue for people who would normally be out every weekend.Speaking of drink, it's probably a no-brainer to say cutting it down is one of the keys to hitting your goal time, whether it's 3 hours or 4 hours. (If your goal is 5 hrs you can probably have the odd few pints).
It's the elephant in the room really, isn't it? Even in the build-up to DCM 2012 a lot of people posted about missing long runs and even entire races because of the booze.
I’ve been thinking about this overnight Stephen, I suppose there are a lot of theories about overcoming or not hitting the wall. I think it is both mental and physical, the physical issues are probably easier overcome to be honest, the mental side is a bit more difficult! I think with Cork, you will have a lot more miles under the belt and that will give you confidence. You have done the distance in the past and again, that will give you confidence that you can do it again.StephenRooney wrote: »A Question: mainly for Meno but also anyone who can relate... I ran out of steam around Mile 18 in DCM.. then it was a tormenting stop/start to the line.. finished in 04:16:00, I had ran 1 x 20mile training run without any real issue in preparation.
Now I'm training for Cork.. the long runs are going well... I'm on P&D55 & have 3 x 20M runs in the schedule as far as I remember. I'm aiming for Sub 4 but really want 3:45 & I believe I can do it.
here is the BUT... a little voice keeps saying 'What if you hit the wall at Mile 18 or 19 or 20 again.... ?'.
So the Question is: how can I be sure of better endurance next time?
I'm hoping the answer is: I'm now working off a bigger & better base.. I've much more long runs under my belt etc.
Also should I (or us all) consider a longer run than 20 miles in prep for these marathons?
I hear of others doing 22 miles or 24 miles etc? Is this a personal choice?
Any tips much appreciated... to help me dull out the voices!
Thanks, Ste
I didn’t hit the wall in DCM and there are a few things I credit with that; I had a time target that I knew was doable, in hindsight, I probably could have pushed on a bit, but I’m glad I didn’t because I didn’t hit the wall and enjoyed the entire experience.
Hi5 tabs, I was a late comer to these (I was very bold and only used them for the first time on the day!) but I found them brilliant, I never experienced thirst and didn’t experience the muscle seize up that I experienced in some of my longer runs in training that I now blame on lack of salt.
The main thing for me was that I did a 15 mile race (Cork to Cobh) 4 weeks before DCM and ran it at PMP or a little faster. I had had a stinker of a LSR the previous week and that had really dented my confidence, but running that race at PMP, really boosted my confidence a huge amount. I felt so fresh at the end, that for the first time, I felt that 26.2 miles at that pace was really doable. I think the PMP runs in P&D will replicate that to a certain extent, but maybe you could arrange a race for a few weeks before Cork and run it at PMP?
Of course, all this is just in my very humble opinion, I certainly am no expert, but that’s just what worked for me.0 -
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Speaking of drink, it's probably a no-brainer to say cutting it down is one of the keys to hitting your goal time, whether it's 3 hours or 4 hours. (If your goal is 5 hrs you can probably have the odd few pints).
It's the elephant in the room really, isn't it? Even in the build-up to DCM 2012 a lot of people posted about missing long runs and even entire races because of the booze.
This running has definitely made me practically cut out the booze. I actually said to my husband on Sunday that I much prefer feeling tired from an LSR than having a hangover which is so true and I would never have thought would happen a year ago
I've a boozy hen party this weekend so will miss my LSR and actually feel guilty about it but in a way I think getting hammered with the girls will do me just as much good :P But overall the booze doesn't come in to the picture any more, it feels like a lifestyle change rather than a short term shift though. I agree with Blockic's post - that I have changed with the runners on and off 0
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