DCM 2012 Graduates - the next step

rasher_m

blockic wrote: »

Yep, secret has been found out!

Was a GAA player but retired at the grand old age of 19!

Done nothing then (apart from aforementioned 10ks on no training) until I started up "proper" running last year at 25.

You must have some secret you're not telling us?
How did you run a whole 10km with no training at all?
I would've had to run for a few weeks to not walk some of 6.2 miles

blockic

rasher_m wrote: »

You must have some secret you're not telling us?
How did you run a whole 10km with no training at all?
I would've had to run for a few weeks to not walk some of 6.2 miles

haha, nah the GAA was my only secret!

Who says I ran the whole 10k? There were walk breaks involved!

Looks like the GAA training all those young years has served me well!

rasher_m

blockic wrote: »

haha, nah the GAA was my only secret!

Who says I ran the whole 10k? There were walk breaks involved!

Looks like the GAA training all those young years has served me well!

ah now ya see
we knew you had a secret
"Who says I ran the whole 10k? There were walk breaks involved!"

Steroo

Saw a recommended book on meno's original log (I think) called 'advanced marathoning' and it arrived today.. Seems very good. Will I get a garmin from Santa? Is it worth the spend? I think I know what you'll all say! Going for my first run this eve since dcm. Wanted to rest my strained calf. Can't wait to get out I feel rusty

Micilin Muc

StephenRooney wrote: »

Saw a recommended book on meno's original log (I think) called 'advanced marathoning' and it arrived today..

Welcome to PB-ville

ncmc

StephenRooney wrote: »

Saw a recommended book on meno's original log (I think) called 'advanced marathoning' and it arrived today.. Seems very good. Will I get a garmin from Santa? Is it worth the spend? I think I know what you'll all say! Going for my first run this eve since dcm. Wanted to rest my strained calf. Can't wait to get out I feel rusty

I was thinking of getting this, is that by the same guys that devise the P&D 55 plan? I was thinking of following that plan for Cork, but I think it has you running 6 days a week? That just isn't really viable for me at the moment with work and other commitments. So not sure whether to buy the book or not.

I'm spending too much on running at the moment!

I would def ask for a Garmin from Santa if I were you. They are fantastic, I couldn't have coped without one. Get one with a HRM though! Mine doesn't have one as I didn't think I'd need it at the time. I would love one now that i'm doing more serious mileage.

coalshed

StephenRooney wrote: »

Saw a recommended book on meno's original log (I think) called 'advanced marathoning' and it arrived today.

I have it ordered from the library..try before you buy

Micilin Muc

coalshed wrote: »

I have it ordered from the library..try before you buy

I brought my novice marathon time of 4:42 (on Hal Higdon's Novice 1) down to 3:56 and then 3:20 (in the space of a year) using P&D's plans. I always classed myself as a slow runner ...

Even if you don't follow their excellent plans, there is a lot of very sound advice in the book, and it explains the science behind the different typical paces that most coaches use.

coalshed

From what I read of the reviews it certainly sounds like a worthwhile read.

That's an impressive improvement on your times Micilin Muc!!

Steroo

Micilin Muc wrote: »

I brought my novice marathon time of 4:42 (on Hal Higdon's Novice 1) down to 3:56 and then 3:20 (in the space of a year) using P&D's plans. I always classed myself as a slow runner ...

Even if you don't follow their excellent plans, there is a lot of very sound advice in the book, and it explains the science behind the different typical paces that most coaches use.

That's a great improvement! Makes me more keen to get into it. Was cheap on amazon! I expect to learn a lot about the sports science of marathoning. I can't do 6 days either but ill take what I can and apply it to what time I have available. Hhn2 got me to 4;16 so if I can improve 20-30 mins for cork ill be v happy.

KillianByrne

Not sure if its me, or my iPad, but my totals didn't add up when I just entered some mileage. I'm not a big spreadsheet genius so can't tell if its my fault or something else.

I'm not concerned, but someone may be!

Pacing Mule

KillianByrne wrote: »

Not sure if its me, or my iPad, but my totals didn't add up when I just entered some mileage. I'm not a big spreadsheet genius so can't tell if its my fault or something else.

I'm not concerned, but someone may be!

Will take a look for you now

menoscemo

ncmc wrote: »

I was thinking of getting this, is that by the same guys that devise the P&D 55 plan? I was thinking of following that plan for Cork, but I think it has you running 6 days a week? That just isn't really viable for me at the moment with work and other commitments. So not sure whether to buy the book or not.

That's the same one. If you stick with our plan until January/March you will be regularly running 5 days a week and well able to slot into their 33-55 mpw plan for Cork.

As Micilin said, even if you are not following one of the plans it really is well worth a read. It explains much better than me the need to go slow on easy days and fast on Speed days etc...

Pacing Mule

KillianByrne wrote: »

Not sure if its me, or my iPad, but my totals didn't add up when I just entered some mileage. I'm not a big spreadsheet genius so can't tell if its my fault or something else.

I'm not concerned, but someone may be!

Hi Killian

It looks ok from what I can see - what was your concerns with it ?

(If it's that they didn't show as calculating the new mileage I'd blame the iPad not automatically refreshing the page. It's all good from this end.

ncmc

menoscemo wrote: »

That's the same one. If you stick with our plan until January/March you will be regularly running 5 days a week and well able to slot into their 33-55 mpw plan for Cork.

As Micilin said, even if you are not following one of the plans it really is well worth a read. It explains much better than me the need to go slow on easy days and fast on Speed days etc...

Think I will purchase it so, I bought the Hal Higdon book and it was a total waste of money. Totally repetitive and full of case studies and filler. This sounds like it has more substance in it.

KillianByrne

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Hi Killian

It looks ok from what I can see - what was your concerns with it ?

(If it's that they didn't show as calculating the new mileage I'd blame the iPad not automatically refreshing the page. It's all good from this end.

Yes, it's all fine now, after I made the post! That's like going to the doctor with a rash that clears up about 10mins before you get called in.

Not that I get rashes or stuff......

sureitsgrand

Micilin Muc wrote: »

I brought my novice marathon time of 4:42 (on Hal Higdon's Novice 1) down to 3:56 and then 3:20 (in the space of a year) using P&D's plans. I always classed myself as a slow runner ...

Even if you don't follow their excellent plans, there is a lot of very sound advice in the book, and it explains the science behind the different typical paces that most coaches use.

This seriously impresses and inspires me!

If you get the time could you tell us a bit of what you did over that year?

I am lucky enough to be in a position where I can fit in as many workouts into the week as needed (flexible work/life situation) and am able to dedicate myself seriously to a training plan...

But tbh, even the fact that what you did can be done is hugely motivating - thanks!

Steroo

ncmc wrote: »

Think I will purchase it so, I bought the Hal Higdon book and it was a total waste of money. Totally repetitive and full of case studies and filler. This sounds like it has more substance in it.

Do. Like you I've seen other books. I can tell after 10 mins this will be a great book for improvement and real understanding, I'm excited reading it here.

Micilin Muc

sureitsgrand wrote: »

This seriously impresses and inspires me!

If you get the time could you tell us a bit of what you did over that year?

I am lucky enough to be in a position where I can fit in as many workouts into the week as needed (flexible work/life situation) and am able to dedicate myself seriously to a training plan...

But tbh, even the fact that what you did can be done is hugely motivating - thanks!

Cheers

It's all in my log. I'm in the same position as you as regards flexible work/life situation and made/am making the most of it while I can.

1. I read P&D cover to cover and read the importance and benefit of recovery runs.
2. I stuck religiously to P&D's plans for my two subsequent marathons and made sure I was properly prepared before starting the plans so that I wouldn't get injured.
3. The increased mileage allowed me to lose 15kg+ weight, which was too hard for me on lower mileage.
4. Doing the IMRA Summer League (weekly hill races) gave me an appetite for competition.
5. I also focused on some cross-training and backed off a bit when my running volume increased.

My only regret is not sooner recognising my potential for a marathon faster than 3:20

blockic

Looks like a good month in store for P&D Book Sales....

Walkedit

Micilin Muc wrote: »

I brought my novice marathon time of 4:42 (on Hal Higdon's Novice 1) down to 3:56 and then 3:20 (in the space of a year) using P&D's plans. I always classed myself as a slow runner ...

Even if you don't follow their excellent plans, there is a lot of very sound advice in the book, and it explains the science behind the different typical paces that most coaches use.

thats an amazing improvement. fair play. my just done novice is 4:50 and im wanting to go sub4 within 2 years, seeing what yiu've done makes that seem reasonable, even though ive more miles on the clock and less in the legs

just back wed after DCM , 2 easy runs so far feels good
planning to do parkrun each week and plans on here ( thks meno)
hoping to give it a lash and get better at the running

LT ambition is to make GFA time in Boston and get really fit trying

tang1

StephenRooney wrote: »

Saw a recommended book on meno's original log (I think) called 'advanced marathoning' and it arrived today..

Snap, have it on my 'Santa' list. Hopefully he'll bring it!!

sureitsgrand

Micilin Muc wrote: »

Cheers

It's all in my log. I'm in the same position as you as regards flexible work/life situation and made/am making the most of it while I can.

1. I read P&D cover to cover and read the importance and benefit of recovery runs.
2. I stuck religiously to P&D's plans for my two subsequent marathons and made sure I was properly prepared before starting the plans so that I wouldn't get injured.
3. The increased mileage allowed me to lose 15kg+ weight, which was too hard for me on lower mileage.
4. Doing the IMRA Summer League (weekly hill races) gave me an appetite for competition.
5. I also focused on some cross-training and backed off a bit when my running volume increased.

My only regret is not sooner recognising my potential for a marathon faster than 3:20

Thanks for the reply MM!

All of that sounds very doable. You're probably proof that consistency and dedication are all that is needed really (to a degree).

I'm probably similar re the weight situation - I reckon a stone or two gone could yield serious improvement....and i'm working on that.

So, off to read your log and order Advanced Marathoning! I'll probably be hounding you for advice over the next while, so be prepared!

Thanks again.

Steroo

tang1 wrote: »

Snap, have it on my 'Santa' list. Hopefully he'll bring it!!

Are you back from injury tang1? What's the plans?

tang1

StephenRooney wrote: »

Are you back from injury tang1? What's the plans?

Yip, back about 3 weeks or so. Taking it easy till new year, have a 10 mile race in March and going to follow a plan for that. Hopefully go sub 70 mins. You still pounding the prom out Howth way?

blockic

tang1 wrote: »

Snap, have it on my 'Santa' list. Hopefully he'll bring it!!

My wallet hates me for being an impulse buyer! I just pressed the purchase button!

I can't last six weeks! Too excited!

I'm block booking my Wednesday night to tuck into it, shall be waiting for the postman Wednesday morning!

career_move

blockic wrote: »

My wallet hates me for being an impulse buyer! I just pressed the purchase button!

I can't last six weeks! Too excited!

I'm block booking my Wednesday night to tuck into it, shall be waiting for the postman Wednesday morning!

I know my card number, expiry date and security code off by heart

tang1

blockic wrote: »

My wallet hates me for being an impulse buyer! I just pressed the purchase button!

I can't last six weeks! Too excited!

I'm block booking my Wednesday night to tuck into it, shall be waiting for the postman Wednesday morning!

No discipline you young fellas!!

blockic

tang1 wrote: »

have a 10 mile race in March

Where is the 10 miler tang? might fit in nicely to my plan...

career_move wrote: »

I know my card number, expiry date and security code off by heart

Haha, you and me both! Very very dangerous!

tang1

blockic wrote: »

Where is the 10 miler tang? might fit in nicely!

Its in Donegal, Bundoran 10. Other half is from up there so its handy, plus her Ma makes the nicest coffee cake on the planet!!