Craig Levein departs as Scotland Manager

DenMan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20205303

Sad to see any Manager leave!

How bad is Scottish Football on the International stage does anyone know?

BOHtox

He had to go imo. He lost the team a while ago and his negative 4-6-0 tactics didn't do him any favors. Hopefully for Scotland players like Steven Fletcher will play under a new manager.

Lumbo

In before "David Moyes as next Scotland manager" betting starts.

Fizman

Lumbo wrote: »

In before "David Moyes as next Scotland manager" betting starts.

You'd want to be some mug to put money on that.

Lumbo

Fizman wrote: »

You'd want to be some mug to put money on that.

There's a lot of mugs in Scotland.

Dempsey

Levein wasnt doing a great job but how the SFA arrived at this decision is farcical. Players, coaches, performance director all saying he needed more time and he did tbh. People saying Strachan should get the job, he'll use the same pragmatic tactics Levein was because Scotland just arent that good.

The_Kew_Tour

Can see them going for outsider.

Dempsey

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Can see them going for outsider.

I hear Trappatoni is available!

ben.schlomo

BOHtox wrote: »

He had to go imo. He lost the team a while ago and his negative 4-6-0 tactics didn't do him any favors. Hopefully for Scotland players like Steven Fletcher will play under a new manager.

Nonsense, various players such as Charlie Adam and others came out over the weekend saying they enjoyed playing for him and that he should stay.

DenMan

Owen Coyle maybe?

Lumbo

Steve Keane :pac:

NabyLadistheman

King Kenny FTW

Insect Overlord

Lumbo wrote: »

Steve Keane :pac:

Roy Keane? :pac:

ArmaniJeanss

Maybe give the job to darts player James Wade.
A winning pedigree with the added bonus that they wouldn't have to change any of their promotional photos or calendars.

Jayob10

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Nonsense, various players such as Charlie Adam and others came out over the weekend saying they enjoyed playing for him and that he should stay.

In fairness you never hear a player say "I hope he is sacked".

No doubt charlie will be buzzing to play under whoever comes in.

Scotland have a large pick of managers in English football, some young up and coming managers aswell. It will be someone like Strachan though I reckon, maybe Souness as a dark horse.

Scotland have under achieved, in fairness their pick is not all that much worse than ours. With side's like ourselves and Scotland you are crippled if your manager manages to p*ss off players who (despite being petty pr*cks) would be an asset

Felexicon

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Nonsense, various players such as Charlie Adam and others came out over the weekend saying they enjoyed playing for him and that he should stay.

True
Hollywood Adam also tweeted just after the news broke that it was sad to see the Scottish media got their wish

kitakyushu

Dempsey wrote: »

I hear Trappatoni is available!

SFA buying out Trap's contract? Now that would be a sweet! I'll even chip in a fiver myself.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Frankly it is no surprise when the Tartan trannies want a manager out it says a lot, He has made statements about reasons players are not being picked then contradicts himself with his next breath. It will be interesting to see who the numpties at the SFA go for next in saying that they would be better following him out the door

BOHtox

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Nonsense, various players such as Charlie Adam and others came out over the weekend saying they enjoyed playing for him and that he should stay.

Now he's hardly going to come out saying he's shíte is he?

About 99% of what players say in the media should be ignored. And as for twitter

ben.schlomo

BOHtox wrote: »

Now he's hardly going to come out saying he's shíte is he?

About 99% of what players say in the media should be ignored. And as for twitter

To say he lost the team though is just wrong. Im not defending the right or wrong of the decision to give him the bullet frankly if id paid to go to Prague and then saw him play 4-6-0 id have wanted him out back then.

BOHtox

ben.schlomo wrote: »

To say he lost the team though is just wrong. Im not defending the right or wrong of the decision to give him the bullet frankly if id paid to go to Prague and then saw him play 4-6-0 id have wanted him out back then.

He's also boring as shíte. Heroin would make him more lively. Any time he's being interviewed I feel tempting to reach for a bottle of Jack covered in a Dunnes stores wine bag, going in to town and drinking it straight on a dumpster in a lane just to cheer myself up.

I'm presuming his apparent lack of motivational skills, mixed with poor results and negative football has meant he has lost the faith of the fans, and the dressing room!


edit: also, ask Stephen Fletcher, twice the player Adam is, what he thought of Levein!

Broxi_Bear_Eire

BOHtox wrote: »

He's also boring as shíte. Heroin would make him more lively. Any time he's being interviewed I feel tempting to reach for a bottle of Jack covered in a Dunnes stores wine bag, going in to town and drinking it straight on a dumpster in a lane just to cheer myself up.

I'm presuming his apparent lack of motivational skills, mixed with poor results and negative football has meant he has lost the faith of the fans, and the dressing room!

To me boring wouldn't have mattered if he had been getting results but the simple fact he wasn't. As a fan it looked as though the team had no motivation and as I said earlier his team selections were a mystery as for tactics he seemed clueless

Laois_Man

Gordon Strachan is the early favorite with Walter Smith and Alex McLeish also strong in the running.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Laois_Man wrote: »

Gordon Strachan is the early favorite with Walter Smith and Alex McLeish also strong in the running.

Be very surprised if Walter Smith took it also the flack he and McLeish would get from a section of the support might make them think twice

Laois_Man

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Be very surprised if Walter Smith took it also the flack he and McLeish would get from a section of the support might make them think twice

The same applies to Strachan does it not?

ArmaniJeanss

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Be very surprised if Walter Smith took it also the flack he and McLeish would get from a section of the support might make them think twice

Walter had the job before and did very well, highly unlucky not to qualify for Euro 2008, finishing 3rd (top 2 qualified) in a group with Italy and France. Went to the last game at home to Italy needing a win to qualify and came within a whisker (beaten 2-1 but the Italian winner was a 94th minute job) with a highly united team and crowd throwing everything at it.

Don't see his potential appointment being a problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2008_qualifying_Group_B

Dempsey

smith and mcleish walked out on the national team job for club jobs afaik, it wont be forgotten

Broxi_Bear_Eire

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Walter had the job before and did very well, highly unlucky not to qualify for Euro 2008, finishing 3rd (top 2 qualified) in a group with Italy and France. Went to the last game at home to Italy needing a win to qualify and came within a whisker (beaten 2-1 but the Italian winner was a 94th minute job) with a highly united team and crowd throwing everything at it.

Don't see his potential appointment being a problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2008_qualifying_Group_B

I am we'll aware of what Walter achieved but as has been said he left to take the Rangers job and McLeish left to take the Birmingham job

As for Strachan not being popular I assume you mean because he wax the tic manager well most bears I have spoken to wouldn't mind him getting it
That bit isn't aimed at you Armani

ArmaniJeanss

Apologies, two of you are quite right and I'd forgotten that WS actually left midway through that campaign, which not particularly clever (for want of a neutral word).

I should learn not to comment on stuff I know little about !

Broxi_Bear_Eire

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Apologies, two of you are quite right and I'd forgotten that WS actually left midway through that campaign, which not particularly clever (for want of a neutral word).

I should learn not to comment on stuff I know little about !

No need to apologise mate
I don't think Smirh would take it now anyway but McLeish would maybe consider it. I personally would like Strachan but with someone like Joe Jordan

aidan24326

Alex McLeish would probably take it because he hasn't got many other options but he'd be an awful choice.

David Moyes would be their dream appointment but not a chance in hell that he'll leave Everton for that gig. Old Trafford beckons for him unless Mourinho wants it.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

aidan24326 wrote: »

Alex McLeish would probably take it because he hasn't got many other options but he'd be an awful choice.

David Moyes would be their dream appointment but not a chance in hell that he'll leave Everton for that gig. Old Trafford beckons for him unless Mourinho wants it.

They couldn't afford Moyes anyway as I said about McLeish he would probably consider it but for the reasons outlined before I am not sure he would take it

Corholio

He was a sitting duck as soon as he played that 4-6-0

BhoscaCapall

4-6-0 away against a better team. Barca and Spain did it when they were huge favourites and it was ok...

Levein is a good guy, always respect him since that interview after his Dundee Utd team got cheated to high heaven by Rangers and the SFA. Do feel a bit bad for him as even though he made some bizarre decisions, ultimately it was the players being crap that cost him. Look at his last 2 games, both of them he got the formation and selection bang-on. They would have beaten Wales had a perfectly good goal not been chalked off, and Bale not dived for a penalty.

kitakyushu

Corholio wrote: »

He was a sitting duck as soon as he played that 4-6-0

Interesting formation. I don't particularly follow Scotland so I didn't know they had tried it in a game. Did anyone watch that full game? Was it a complete failure? 1-0 in Prague doesn't seem a terrible result.

I watched some highlights on youtube and from the bits I watched there didn't seem to be much of *any* formation just a lot of random crowding and pressing?

BTW those snaps are taken from open play (not set pieces).

Broxi_Bear_Eire

kitakyushu wrote: »

Interesting formation. I don't particularly follow Scotland so I didn't know they had tried it in a game. Did anyone watch that full game? Was it a complete failure? 1-0 in Prague doesn't seem a terrible result.

I watched some highlights on youtube and from the bits I watched there didn't seem to be much of *any* formation just a lot of random crowding and pressing?

BTW those snaps are taken from open play (not set pieces).

I watched the whole game we were a joke the annoying thing is they looked shaky and if he had played any attacking systym there is a good chance Scotland could have taken something from the game

Broxi_Bear_Eire

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

4-6-0 away against a better team. Barca and Spain did it when they were huge favourites and it was ok...

Levein is a good guy, always respect him since that interview after his Dundee Utd team got cheated to high heaven by Rangers and the SFA. Do feel a bit bad for him as even though he made some bizarre decisions, ultimately it was the players being crap that cost him. Look at his last 2 games, both of them he got the formation and selection bang-on. They would have beaten Wales had a perfectly good goal not been chalked off, and Bale not dived for a penalty.

Rubbish the players he has at his disposal or could have had are better than Scotland have had in a while in most areas

BhoscaCapall

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Rubbish the players he has at his disposal or could have had are better than Scotland have had in a while in most areas

I agree, they are. They still generally lose to better teams or do crap because the players play crap. The effect of a manager in international football is massively overstated, the fact that Scotland got just as bad results when he got everything right goes to show it.

kitakyushu

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

I agree, they are. They still generally lose to better teams or do crap because the players play crap. The effect of a manager in international football is massively overstated, the fact that Scotland got just as bad results when he got everything right goes to show it.

I believe the opposite.

Whilst the players a nation has certainly influences prospects to a certain degree, I think the manager can actually have a greater influence at international level than he can at club level.

So many international teams are just so average or downright bad that it really doesn't take much to rise above them (provided you have the right guy in charge). By comparisons at club football there's glass ceilings that certain clubs can never hope to cross no matter who is in charge.

Dempsey

Lothar Matthaus has thrown his hat into the ring for the Scotland job!

I still think Joe Jordan & Strachan in the job together would be best for Scotland

Eirebear

Dempsey wrote: »

Lothar Matthaus has thrown his hat into the ring for the Scotland job!

I still think Joe Jordan & Strachan in the job together would be best for Scotland

I agree actually, although it's hard not to get swung by a name like Matthaus - even if his managerial record isn;t amazing.