Panorama BBC1 - Gambling Nation

Lapin

Anyone watching this?

Lads kicking the crap out of fruit machines because their weeks wages / dole is now inside them.

Some people so hooked on the machines that they piss their pants rather than leaving it to go to the jax.

A good reason never to allow slot machines in betting shops here.

I never knew that the UK is one of the few countries in Europe not to have a minimum age on using slot machines.

squod

Think saorview robbed my BBC.

shopaholic01

Lapin wrote: »

Anyone watching this?

Lads kicking the crap out of fruit machines because their weeks wages / dole is now inside them.

Some people so hooked on the machines that they piss their pants rather than leaving it to go to the jax.

A good reason never to allow slot machines in betting shops here.

I never knew that the UK is one of the few countries in Europe not to have a minimum age on using slot machines.

:eek: Sad way to end up. Reminds me of the old biddies in Vegas!

steve9859

£300,000!! bloody hell! how can you lose that much on-line and not stop!

Tom_Cruise

I briefly worked in a large book makers here that have alot of outlets up north.

I got talking to an employee from the north and she explained how the machines make up the majority of there revenue and how popular they are but also how many people are completely addicted to them.

Anyone in Oz will know how popular the pokie machines over there are!

Andy-Pandy

I cant think of a worse vice than gambling, it scares the **** out of me.

Local-womanizer

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I cant think of a worse vice than gambling, it scares the **** out of me.

Heroin is far worse.....

Wasting away slowly, lying dying in a pool of your own poo and vomit and robbing even your family to feed your habit until you die a horrible excruciating death.....

Where To

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I cant think of a worse vice than gambling, it scares the **** out of me.

There's nothing wrong with gambling.

There's plenty wrong with gambling money you can't afford to lose.

donvito99

The Bookies pressure group mans name is Dirk Verrick, he.

phasers

Lapin wrote: »

Anyone watching this?

Lads kicking the crap out of fruit machines because their weeks wages / dole is now inside them.

Some people so hooked on the machines that they piss their pants rather than leaving it to go to the jax.

A good reason never to allow slot machines in betting shops here.

I never knew that the UK is one of the few countries in Europe not to have a minimum age on using slot machines.

Eh there are casinos all over the place here, what's the difference?

I like playing the slots once in a while, it's fun. Then again I'd play maybe 20 quid max, you see fellas sit down next to you and throw a grand into the machines like it's nothing :eek:

Lapin

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Heroin is far worse.....

Wasting away slowly, lying dying in a pool of your own poo and vomit and robbing even your family to feed your habit until you die a horrible excruciating death.....

True, but that takes time.

You can lose everything you own on the turn of a card and you're left alive to face the consequences.

I don't think one form of serious addiction is any worse than any other.

They all fúck their victims up in their own horrible way.

latenia

Lapin wrote: »

A good reason never to allow slot machines in betting shops here.

Take a look in Ladbrokes in Abbey St- they've decided the law doesn't apply to them and the Gardaí have taken no action despite it being brought to their attention by the media. Also witness the continued existence of Dr Quirkey's and other slot joints around town despite their being illegal in many ways. One can only assume that the right police and local authority figures are receiving backhanders to allow this to go on.

phasers

latenia wrote: »

Take a look in Ladbrokes in Abbey St- they've decided the law doesn't apply to them and the Gardaí have taken no action despite it being brought to their attention by the media. Also witness the continued existence of Dr Quirkey's and other slot joints around town despite their being illegal in many ways. One can only assume that the right police and local authority figures are receiving backhanders to allow this to go on.

Well I know that one of the casinos I've been to pays you in the form of a ticket, on which it says "I certify that I am receiving an amount no greater than the amount I've spent" or something similar. I think that's how some of them get away with it. The other way is by making themselves a "members club" where you have to sign up and get a card. I don't really know how they get around the law by doing that but it must be a loophole of some sort.

Halloran springs

Lapin wrote: »

You can lose everything you own on the turn of a card and you're left alive to face the consequences.

Or you could double your money! :pac:

Anyone

latenia wrote: »

Take a look in Ladbrokes in Abbey St- they've decided the law doesn't apply to them and the Gardaí have taken no action despite it being brought to their attention by the media. Also witness the continued existence of Dr Quirkey's and other slot joints around town despite their being illegal in many ways. One can only assume that the right police and local authority figures are receiving backhanders to allow this to go on.

Poker machines in pubs are another. Ramblers Rest in Ballybrack had them(no idea if they are still there, been years since I drank there), and the owner at the time said the poker machines takings paid for the wages of all the bar staff.

I enjoy a bet, I dont bet to excess though, and dont gamble money I cant afford to lose.

My name is URL

Bookies are awful godforsaken places anyway. I don't know how anyone can stand the smell in those places let alone put up with losing so much money.

hatrickpatrick

Lapin wrote: »

A good reason never to allow slot machines in betting shops here.

Why, because some idiots out there can't handle it so all of us should be prevented from doing it?
Just like minimum alcohol prices and other such BS, hassling everyone for the actions of some

Lapin

My name is URL wrote: »

Bookies are awful godforsaken places anyway. I don't know how anyone can stand the smell in those places let alone put up with losing so much money.

They're not as bad as they used to be before the smoking ban.

I'd still hate to see poker machines in them though.

If I go in to back a horse I don't want to be listening to some sad moron cursing at a slot machine.

Lapin

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why, because some idiots out there can't handle it so all of us should be prevented from doing it?
Just like minimum alcohol prices and other such BS, hassling everyone for the actions of some

If people want to blow their cash on Slot machines (a form of gambling that requires no skill whatsoever) let them do so in the casinos that someone mentioned already.

Just keep them out of the betting shops. Betting on a horse does involve a degree of thought and study of form.

The use of slot machines is not a form of betting. So keep them out of betting shops.

AgentOraiste

My face wen i hear of a bookie loosing hundreds of thousands on a 20p accumulator that worked out





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lawhec

Lapin wrote: »

Anyone watching this?

Lads kicking the crap out of fruit machines because their weeks wages / dole is now inside them.

Some people so hooked on the machines that they piss their pants rather than leaving it to go to the jax.

A good reason never to allow slot machines in betting shops here.

I never knew that the UK is one of the few countries in Europe not to have a minimum age on using slot machines.

In the last few years there's been a major increase of visitors to Las Vegas whom go to casinos wearing adult nappies so that they don't have go to the toilet while they're at the slot machines.

Andy-Pandy

Where To wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with gambling.

There's plenty wrong with gambling money you can't afford to lose.

I've seen people escalate to that point very quickly though. It has always struck me that gamblers get very little out of their addiction . At least drug addicts, even heroin addicts, have the drug to enjoy. I understand that a lot of gamblers do it sensibly, but for those that dont, i cant think of a worse habit.

AgentOraiste

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I've seen people escalate to that point very quickly though. It has always struck me that gamblers get very little out of their addiction . At least drug addicts, even heroin addicts, have the drug to enjoy. I understand that a lot of gamblers do it sensibly, but for those that dont, i cant think of a worse habit.

Smoking

Heroin

Bating the wife

Hashish

CP

....theres five

msg11

Any addiction is a horrible thing no matter what it is, you feel powerless against your urge to go for it. Drink, Drugs, Gambling, Porn, Food. All be it Gambling and Porn don't kill you, it can cause serious depression which is just as dangerous as the others, could lead to suicide.

Help is out there and if your in one of the positions you aint the first and you won't be the last.

Just never abuse anything is the golden rule.

saiint

msg11 wrote: »

Any addiction is a horrible thing no matter what it is, you feel powerless against your urge to go for it. Drink, Drugs, Gambling, Porn, Food. All be it Gambling and Porn don't kill you, it can cause serious depression which is just as dangerous as the others, could lead to suicide.

Help is out there and if your in one of the positions you aint the first and you won't be the last.

Just never abuse anything is the golden rule.

to be fair i dont think many people will agree porn will cause depression
if anything it makes me smile when the deed is done

AgentOraiste

msg11 wrote: »

Any addiction is a horrible thing no matter what it is, you feel powerless against your urge to go for it. Drink, Drugs, Gambling, Porn, Food. All be it Gambling and Porn don't kill you, it can cause serious depression which is just as dangerous as the others, could lead to suicide.

Help is out there and if your in one of the positions you aint the first and you won't be the last.

Just never abuse anything is the golden rule.

Back up man, even yourself?

Forever alone

msg11

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I've seen people escalate to that point very quickly though. It has always struck me that gamblers get very little out of their addiction . At least drug addicts, even heroin addicts, have the drug to enjoy. I understand that a lot of gamblers do it sensibly, but for those that dont, i cant think of a worse habit.

The problem is, when it becomes an addiction it's not for enjoyment anymore it is to make yourself feel normal, your body cannot function if it hasn't got it's high, with gambling it's the constant high of maybe I will win with the next bet, roll of the dice or next spin. Then when you do win, the body get's it's rush and all logic is gone out the window, you might have won a tenner and yet spent 100. It's where me and you can see the line to quit while we are ahead, be it stopping before we lose more money or have reached a point we are up money.

The bookies and machine will always win in the long run, you win 500 one day and over the course of 5 years you could lose 1500..

msg11

saiint wrote: »

to be fair i dont think many people will agree porn will cause depression
if anything it makes me smile when the deed is done

There has been studies done that has shown a link between the two. Your brain releases a short high when you 'hit the spot'. Some people get addicted to this and cannot leave the house, real relationships break down and starts into depression.

AgentOraiste wrote: »

Back up man, even yourself?

Forever alone

Don't get you, but I will try answer that. Don't abuse it, enjoy it, never said don't touch any of them!

repsol

Lots of idiots were I work are betting on iPhones non stop.Half time scores,full time scores,first player to score,dogs ,horses,golf you name it.If you are to believe them,they always win or break even.Poor old Paddy Power will be homeless if they don't start losing soon!:D:D:D:D:D:D

kincsem

Gambling is ok. Losing isn't.

Loosing is even worse.

repsol

kincsem wrote: »

Gambling is ok. Losing isn't.

Loosing is even worse.

Never seen a bookie on a bicycle.I have been to Vegas.Their whole business model is if you keep playing for long enough,you will lose.Thats why casinos have no windows ,clocks etc.EVERYONE loses eventually

Celly Smunt

A drinker can only drink so much,a junkie can only do so many drugs but a gambler can gamble everything.

pmcmahon

pmcmahon wrote: »

A drinker can only drink so much,a junkie can only do so many drugs but a gambler can gamble everything.

What about alcoholics and addicts who drink or snort the fame farm away. Who spend all their money getting wasted at every opportunity.

Wacker The Attacker

Anything can become an addiction.

Slot machines are no different.

Adults are responsible for their own actions and their consequences.

tan11ie

pmcmahon wrote: »

A drinker can only drink so much,a junkie can only do so many drugs but a gambler can gamble everything.

A gambler can hide it for such a long time ...and by the time you find out it's too late, everything can be lost.

Wacker The Attacker

pmcmahon wrote: »

A drinker can only drink so much,a junkie can only do so many drugs but a gambler can gamble everything.

Drink and drugs can have the same destructive power.

The major difference is that gambling can be far more easily hidden. Alcohol and drug abuse have physical symptoms. Gambling doesnt

smemon

It's an 'instant' version of investing in stocks & shares. As with any type of spending, the same rules apply - don't spend what you can't afford to lose.

I think most people will cut themselves off after a certain point even though they may want to chase losses. Common sense kicks in the same way it does when you're drinking...

If you continue to have 'just one more' drink and end up in a hospital bed or jail cell, not many people will feel sorry for you. Gambling is a similar 'problem' which requires a similar solution. That solution isn't easy or overnight and ultimately it's down to the individual's commitment to change which in most cases is brought about by a sudden realisation you've hit rock bottom and have started negatively impacting on the lives of loved ones.

Celly Smunt

Deleted User wrote: »

What about alcoholics and addicts who drink or snort the fame farm away. Who spend all their money getting wasted at every opportunity.

there's only a certain amount of drink and drugs somebody can do.

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Drink and drugs can have the same destructive power.

The major difference is that gambling can be far more easily hidden. Alcohol and drug abuse have physical symptoms. Gambling doesnt

I don't think you caught what i said.

Wacker The Attacker

pmcmahon wrote: »

there's only a certain amount of drink and drugs somebody can do.

I don't think you caught what i said.

Anyone can OD

Celly Smunt

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Anyone can OD

exactly,a gambler can't so he/she will just keep going.

pmcmahon

pmcmahon wrote: »

there's only a certain amount of drink and drugs somebody can do..

And there's only a certain amount of gambling that somebody can do.

Wacker The Attacker

repsol wrote: »

Never seen a bookie on a bicycle.I have been to Vegas.Their whole business model is if you keep playing for long enough,you will lose.Thats why casinos have no windows ,clocks etc.EVERYONE loses eventually

Thats not strictly true.

I've had several winning trips to vegas. It depends on what you are playing. The house has an edge on practically every game bar poker.

The house makes money on poker without affecting your chances of winning

Celly Smunt

Deleted User wrote: »

And there's only a certain amount of gambling that somebody can do.

not particularly,it's called getting yourself in a **** load of debt.

MadsL

Stench of moral high horses in here.

Wacker The Attacker

pmcmahon wrote: »

exactly,a gambler can't so he/she will just keep going.

OD can result in death. The ultimate toll. Drugs can be just as destructive

MadsL

pmcmahon wrote: »

not particularly,it's called getting yourself in a **** load of debt.

Like buying a house?

Celly Smunt

MadsL wrote: »

Like buying a house?

buying a house is basically an investment so yes.

pmcmahon

pmcmahon wrote: »

not particularly,it's called getting yourself in a **** load of debt.

Alcoholics and drug addicts can also get into major debt.

Celly Smunt

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

OD can result in death. The ultimate toll. Drugs can be just as destructive

So can gambling i.e suicides,debts etc etc,i'm not sure what you're argument is anymore

Wacker The Attacker

pmcmahon wrote: »

So can gambling i.e suicides,debts etc etc,i'm not sure what you're argument is anymore

My initial point was that drink and drugs are just as destructive as gambling.

Thats still my point.

niallo27

The majority of people only gamble what they can afford, I love sitting down for a few hours playing a few sit and go's online in poker, or have a few quid on the football.