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Looking for opinions on pay

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  • 07-11-2012 7:13pm
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    collegeme
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭


    Would any senior accountants be willing to help?

    If I were to outline a job description, would you be willing to tell me your opinion of what salary should be expected please?

    Hoping to do via pm.


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    tony81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭tony81


    Depends on what you mean by senior accountant. Experience wise? Qualifications? Practice?

    Also, people are usually more agreeable to help if they know why you're asking. If it's just to see if your wage is fair why not just look up similar jobs on sites like recruit ireland or irishjobs.ie?


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    tatli_lokma
    Registered Users Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭tatli_lokma


    I would say that a HR or payroll person would be better positioned to know what the average wage for that position is. Are you looking for info on what the take home pay would be after deductions? then if so an accountant or payroll person would be able to give a guideline.

    Your query is a bit vague TBH


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    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,967 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    tony81 wrote: »
    If it's just to see if your wage is fair why not just look up similar jobs on sites like recruit ireland or irishjobs.ie?

    Because positions advertised on this site rarely have salary listed for positions like that.


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    tony81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭tony81


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Because positions advertised on this site rarely have salary listed for positions like that.

    true, true. but in the spirit of boards.ie, it's not really fair to ask a question that will only be answered by private message. Just my opinion.


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    collegeme
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭collegeme


    Ok. Sorry should have been more clear. I want to get an increase and see if I'm being unreasonable or very reasonable. I feel very underpaid but the company i feel underpay in general. I don't want to post too much as I'd be easily identifiable by anyone I work for/with.

    I'll just go with my gut.


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    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Try approaching it from the - "I would like more money and want to know what I have to do to get it" point of view. You might get a bit of extra work but it opens the door to renegotiate your salary.

    "Ye bunch of bar-stewards look at what everyone else is getting" is unlikely to get you very far.


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    cabb8ge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 634 ✭✭✭cabb8ge


    If position not involve people reporting to you than senior accountant €55k to €60k depending on where in country. If you work way up to senior accountant and on less than that job might not be happy to offer you more, happen many people in many jobs. Yearly review not enough and you want extra often not possible (well that HR perspective) so often job hunt best way, good leverage for negotiation. You not post too many details for your own reasons so please not ask me where I work :)


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    tony81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭tony81


    cabb8ge wrote: »
    If position not involve people reporting to you than senior accountant €55k to €60k depending on where in country. If you work way up to senior accountant and on less than that job might not be happy to offer you more, happen many people in many jobs. Yearly review not enough and you want extra often not possible (well that HR perspective) so often job hunt best way, good leverage for negotiation. You not post too many details for your own reasons so please not ask me where I work :)

    The wage you quoted is at the higher end of the scale... for Dublin... in 2008... and your English is atrocious.


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    cabb8ge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 634 ✭✭✭cabb8ge


    Well senior accountants in multi national companies across country get that and bonus on top too, currently also not 2008.

    My English adequate thank you very much, a lot better than your manner.


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    tony81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭tony81


    cabb8ge wrote: »
    Well senior accountants in multi national companies across country get that and bonus on top too, currently also not 2008.

    My English adequate thank you very much, a lot better than your manner.

    Ok i apologise, i was out of order there. I found your salary guidelines way off but this may partly be due to the god-forsaken job-title of "senior". For all we know a senior accountant could be a data entry clerk who worked in a corner shop for 20 years.

    I was familiar with the op from another post and knew he/she is a final year accounting student who isnt happy with their training. So I assumed the op assumes they will be considered "senior" once qualified...

    IMO it's more helpful to use terms like "newly qualified", or "x years pqe" and also equally important to specify specialist areas.

    That being said, it doesn't matter what you think you're worth, all that matters is what they're paying you. The best way to get a payrise is to find someone willing to pay you more.


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    cabb8ge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 634 ✭✭✭cabb8ge


    My idea of senior accountant is qualified from reputable route and 4/6 years experience, thank you for apology :)


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    collegeme
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    I do appologise for being so vague. By senior I meant qualified with many years experience and possibly a partner.
    I was looking for opinions regarding pay for someone like myself not fully qualified but given a lot of responsibility and different roles.

    I'll be brutally honest and say that I am on the verge of leaving despite enjoying what I do. I just can't live on the wage and the sacrifices I make to work for such a wage are just not worth it.

    Maybe i'm just hitting a rough patch that I need to ride out. I just don't know.


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    tony81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭tony81


    collegeme wrote: »
    I do appologise for being so vague. By senior I meant qualified with many years experience and possibly a partner.
    I was looking for opinions regarding pay for someone like myself not fully qualified but given a lot of responsibility and different roles.

    I'll be brutally honest and say that I am on the verge of leaving despite enjoying what I do. I just can't live on the wage and the sacrifices I make to work for such a wage are just not worth it.

    Maybe i'm just hitting a rough patch that I need to ride out. I just don't know.

    Collegeme, I got so disheartened by a trainee wage I was on that I left. Later, I started another job on a slightly better trainee wage. However, when I qualified they refused to give me the going rate as I was only in the door 18 months, so I left it too.

    Fact is, when they're paying you peanuts they find it hard to increase your pay. They think a payrise in line with inflation (or 0%, given the current climate, perhaps even a paycut) is sufficient.

    My advice is to never leave a job without something lined up (my biggest regret(s). It messes up your cv and creates uncertainty for future employers. You're never in as much demand as when you have a job.

    Second, always be on the lookout for something better. The worst that can happen is you'll use up some AL and the expenses incurred through interviewing.

    Finally, be realistic.. there are still a lot of unemployed accountants out there, particularly women who are attempting to return to the workforce and are willing to work for low salaries in exchange for part-time hours.


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    collegeme
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭collegeme


    Thanks for your honesty and input Tony81. From your past experiences, you know how disheartening it is.


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    tony81
    Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭tony81


    collegeme wrote: »
    Thanks for your honesty and input Tony81. From your past experiences, you know how disheartening it is.

    Getting a bit philosophical here, but you're probably not as bad off as you think you are. It's half the battle if you stop comparing yourself to co-workers or friends.

    There is often some demand for newly-qualified accountants (e.g. who want to make a move to industry) so just keep your eye on the prize and don't be afraid to browse the jobs websites and apply for jobs you like the sound of.


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