21st Century Railway - RTÉ 1

highlydebased

The 21st Century Railway documentary is starting monday on rte 1- 8.30pm. 3 part documentary it would seem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9yGTosd96M

Judgement Day

How old is this series? What is the 21st Century 'renaissance' they are blathering on about? Who is behind this series - Barry Kenny. :rolleyes:

CIE

A little late to be talking "21st century" when you're 12 years in.

Cookie_Monster

isn't all of Ireland's rail 20th century or older. still using 20th century tech for signalling, locomotives, dmu/emu etc
what exactly is 21st century about any aspect of Irish rail other than the dates the happen to run trains?

Judgement Day

The fares!

Sligo Quay

Yawn yawn............ not another ironing the land series, armchair historians in tweed jackets spouting rubbish, might be worth a look if theres nothing else on in the box in the corner.

corktina

I'm going to reserve judgement...it COULD be a truthful documentary on the state of our Railway, on the other hand, it could be one state body doing a whitewash for another.

munchkin_utd

corktina wrote: »

I'm going to reserve judgement...it COULD be a truthful documentary on the state of our Railway, on the other hand, it could be one state body doing a whitewash for another.

doubtful.

Sure Irish Rail cant cooperate with their sister companies so what chance they'd manage to do it with a completely separate state company?

OurLadyofKnock

looks rubbish from the promo - stating the obvious with the same old stock footage.

Drimnagh Road

An inefficient, unaccountable, money wasting state broadcaster making a documentary about an inefficient, unaccountable, money wasting semi-state.

I assume that they will be mentioning the fact that it is now quicker by bus to Cork, Limerick, Galway, Belfast to name a few.


I assume they'll mention that despite the hundred's of millions of euro wasted in investment, journey times in the 80s were quicker to Cork than they are now.

I assume they'll be showing us the mid-life mk3s awaiting the cutters torch in North Wall.

I assume they'll be mentioning how, in the 21st century, less freight is been carried now than in the 20th.

I assume they'll be showing us the 15 year old laid up 2700s awaiting the cutters torch.

I assume they'll be showing us the couple of 22000s that the won't commission.

Add to list as appropriate...

end of the road

Drimnagh Road wrote: »

An inefficient, unaccountable, money wasting state broadcaster making a documentary about an inefficient, unaccountable, money wasting semi-state.

I assume that they will be mentioning the fact that it is now quicker by bus to Cork, Limerick, Galway, Belfast to name a few.


I assume they'll mention that despite the hundred's of millions of euro wasted in investment, journey times in the 80s were quicker to Cork than they are now.

I assume they'll be showing us the mid-life mk3s awaiting the cutters torch in North Wall.

I assume they'll be mentioning how, in the 21st century, less freight is been carried now than in the 20th.

I assume they'll be showing us the 15 year old laid up 2700s awaiting the cutters torch.

I assume they'll be showing us the couple of 22000s that the won't commission.

Add to list as appropriate...

the 12 year old 8200 dart units which saw hardly any service and which IE should have took legal action to force their builder to repair or replace the units with no cost to IE.
no, the only thing they will show is stuff to make people think everything is fine and dandy when it isn't.

foggy_lad

end of the road wrote: »

the 12 year old 8200 dart units which saw hardly any service and which IE should have took legal action to force their builder to repair or replace the units with no cost to IE.
no, the only thing they will show is stuff to make people think everything is fine and dandy when it isn't.

Why did Irish Rail not take legal action against the manufacturer of those Dart units?

end of the road

foggy_lad wrote: »

Why did Irish Rail not take legal action against the manufacturer of those Dart units?

i do not know foggy, completely idiotic for them not to have took legal action

vicwatson

Ah Transport 21, Brilliant Martin Cullen, where is he now? FLORIDA !!!

OurLadyofKnock

vicwatson wrote: »

Ah Transport 21, Brilliant Martin Cullen, where is he now? FLORIDA !!!

Getting a daily round of golf in with his bad back. It's a miracle!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153931/Cullens-life-luxury--taxes-Minister-e-voting-quit-2010-bad--120k-pension-Now-new-Jag-Florida-mansion--new-love.html

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foggy_lad

From the telly tonight's episode is described as follows

Documentary series. The first episode looks at the creation of railways in Ireland. exploring how they overtook canals as the primary means of mass transportation.

Sounds like riveting stuff all right like a dozen auld programs that went before just mixed up a small bit with interviews and clips swapped around and thrown into a few half hour slots!

Hilly Bill

To be fair, not everyone has seen those dozen auld programs so it will appeal to some . To the hardend spotter or enthusiast it may be same old same old.

coylemj

The intro suggests it's going to be a promo for Irish Rail.

Cookie_Monster

21st century railway is what it's called and yet it starts in the 19th... good start!

foggy_lad

The contributors seem to be stuttering and looking to the side a lot as if they have trouble remembering their lines, it sounds scripted and like they know very little about what they are talking about.

coylemj

The only reason they upgraded the network was because a train derailed in the minister's constituency! At least there's some honesty and realism in the program!

Our man in Havana

That was terrible.

corktina

it wasn't terrible, it was basic, but then it needs to be because 99% of people know squat about railways

Some nice archive film

On the whole better than I thought, but lets wait til the next episode...

foggy_lad

corktina wrote: »

it wasn't terrible, it was basic, but then it needs to be because 99% of people know squat about railways

Some nice archive film

On the whole better than I thought, but lets wait til the next episode...

It was quite interesting apart from the stuttering commentators.

Oscar Bravo

Not bad. better than i was expecting.

dublinbusdude

Would liken if they talked about Luas too as its classed as "Light Rail"

topnotch

What a ****e program. Barry Kenny might as well have done the narrating.

washman3

vicwatson wrote: »

Ah Transport 21, Brilliant Martin Cullen, where is he now? FLORIDA !!!

Ya, living in a mansion in sunny Florida. new blonde partner and a sportscar.
gets €10,000 a month pension to go with his massive 'retirement' lump sum.
must really be bursting his hole laughing at us all back here.
Ah but shure he fixhed the road in Waterford.!!!

The Idyl Race

topnotch wrote: »

What a ****e program. Barry Kenny might as well have done the narrating.

For a worse experience, we could always get a coach enthusiast to upload a video to the Tube of You from his mobile and narrate over it with an Eric Cartman voice going

Trains are for hippies, dude, private sector coaches rock!

Give me a job when I leave university!

topnotch

Hey homosexuality was decriminalized in this country in 1993 ,
coach entusiasm is still illegal as far as i'm concerned.;)

shamwari

Is it / will it be available on RTE Player?

foggy_lad

shamwari wrote: »

Is it / will it be available on RTE Player?

Possibly not? that other good program Ar an Oileán is on the list already. The production company has possibly not allowed it to be on the rte player or rte thought there might not be enough interest to include it?

VALIS

Does anybody know where the music from the ad was taken from? It's really nice.

sligotrain

It wasn't on the RTE player when I looked last night.

Our man in Havana

It is on RTE player now.

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10086157/

gobnaitolunacy

Gone again...'....not available in your region'.

Hmm.

Our man in Havana

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Gone again...'....not available in your region'.

Hmm.

You must have a non Irish IP address.

gobnaitolunacy

Nope, I'm playing another RTE player prog just now and it's fine.
21st Cent Rly doesn't pop up when I search for it on the site.

Weird.

Judgement Day

You missed nothing, a typical lazy RTE production - all railways in Ireland consist of is DART commuters, the DART inspired CIE management....blah, blah...no CIE management interviewed, a rather disturbing close up of Todd Andrews face and the only thing missing was Craig Doyle!

end of the road

Judgement Day wrote: »

a rather disturbing close up of Todd the machete Andrews face
and they only gave him one mention, and that was in relation to the most stupid short sighted closure in irelands history for which he should have been sacked for, and even they didn't discuss that much, still theirs next week i suppose.

Judgement Day wrote: »

Craig Doyle!

oh god please no, i can't take it anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gobnaitolunacy

Judgement Day wrote: »

a rather disturbing close up of Todd Andrews face

Yeah, I think I'll pass on that.

sligotrain

I watched it last night on the RTE player. Not too impressive to be honest, as a first episode I'd expect it to hook me in but it didn't.

Temp101

Disappointingly poor, but that was no surprise. A three-part series about 21st Century Railways, and it takes an entire episode to set the scene? I watched the programme with non-railway folk, and they found it bland and uninformative.

Grandeeod

Judgement Day wrote: »

and the only thing missing was Craig Doyle!

Ah FFS! No way?

OurLadyofKnock

I did not bother, but one question which I needed to know the answer. What was the pontificating tweed jacket to modern rolling stock close-up shot ratio?

Sligo Quay

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

I did not bother, but one question which I needed to know the answer. What was the pontificating tweed jacket to modern rolling stock close-up shot ratio?

Naw, they seem to have forgo the tweed jacket for this latest hash on Irish railways, instead ''the expert'' seem to have chosen an antique armchair instead with a nice set of bound books as a backdrop, possibly bound in leather lol, now what message the armchair was sending out, Im not sure.
Look this series is a waste of time, if you want to get a real clear message of whats going on inside the CIE group, just have a glance at todays Indo, I know, O'Reilly's rag, but according to this article by Paul Melia, CIE is close to going into receivership, its very very serious, there is no money, its bankrupt, you can make all the TV programs you like, with romantic historians sitting in armchairs with the trainset going around in circles in the next room, but the reality is, they have to wake up and smell the coffee.

Markcheese

Would it , could it be allowed go into administration/recivership .... And would it save anything by going bust .... ( excess staff , staff pensions ? )

Stonewolf

It worked for GM but our company law is probably significantly different.

dowlingm

No way I'd say. Every other semi-state's workforce would know their pension would be next.

davidlacey

it just felt like a cheap filler for 30minutes, obviously a result of rte cutbacks, no mention of freight and the decline plus benefits of it which is surprising, very vague in the history of the railway too

Sligo Quay

davidlacey wrote: »

no mention of freight and the decline plus benefits of it which is surprising,

They are not really interested, too bothersome for them, shipping company I work for now have work with BNSF, there are railroad companies who do embrace railfreight, Irish Rail is not 1 of them, that is not surprising, but it could be their salvation, the antique armchairs are full of woodworm and sadly nobody can see it, but look closely and you can spot it.