Are parents who get their kids ears pierced selfish?

kunst nugget

lounakin wrote: »

I am amazed at this post... so many people don't realise how important the element of tradition is. Just like anything you'd do here for tradition! Just because there is some slight discomfort, (MUCH less than later in life) all of you are freaking out. It's much less painful then a lot of things we put our children through.
And the 'kids these days are accessories' argument is quite ignorant when you consider families who've pierced their baby's ears for generations and generations.
Get over yourselves! Just because you're not familiar with the custom doesn't mean it's wrong.

I think it's very easy to overplay the tradition thing and just because it's a traditional thing doesn't make it right, does it? Like, if I said our family has a tradition of pointing and laughing at disabled kids, saying it's a tradition hardly excuses the behaviour.

lounakin

PlainP wrote: »

Just because something is traditional doesn't make it right. I could go on about male and female genital mutilation happening within tradition but that would be for another thread I think.

Well if piercing a baby's ear is the same to you as mutilating genitals, then life must get quite complicated for you!

PlainP

lounakin wrote: »

Well if piercing a baby's ear is the same to you as mutilating genitals, then life must get quite complicated for you!

You're the one who said it's ok if its traditional, I was just pointing out to you that not all traditions are ok!!!!

lounakin

PlainP wrote: »

You're the one who said it's ok if traditional, I was just pointing out to that not all traditions are ok!!!!

Nope, that's not what I said, I was responding to the comments that it's for fashion or out of selfishness (title of the thread) I was saying it's mostly out of tradition. I don't think tradition makes it right or wrong.

kunst nugget

lounakin wrote: »

I don't think tradition makes it right or wrong.

Hmm…

Get over yourselves! Just because you're not familiar with the custom doesn't mean it's wrong.

PlainP

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But you said here (see above) this to me means you advocate the practice based on it being traditional, or am I just reading it wrong?

lounakin

PlainP wrote: »

But you said here (see above) this to me means you advocate the practice based on it being traditional, or am I just reading it wrong?

You're reading it wrong! It's not wrong because it's a tradition just as it's not wrong because it's not! Let's stop pretending we don't understand each other... I know very well you didn't mean to say earpiercing is like genital mutilation! lol

lounakin

lounakin wrote: »

You're reading it wrong! It's not wrong because it's a tradition just as it's not wrong because it's not! Let's stop pretending we don't understand each other... I know very well you didn't mean to say earpiercing is like genital mutilation! lol

No, you're writing it wrong.
In particular:

so many people don't realise how important the element of tradition is.

lounakin

bluewolf wrote: »

No, you're writing it wrong.
In particular:

Tradition is important in deciding whether your motivation is selfish or not... all I'm saying.

kunst nugget

lounakin wrote: »

You're reading it wrong! It's not wrong because it's a tradition just as it's not wrong because it's not! Let's stop pretending we don't understand each other...

Kind of like when I say, it doesn't matter if it's tradition or not, it still makes the child look knackery.

lounakin

kunst nugget wrote: »

Kind of like when I say, it doesn't matter if it's tradition or not, it still makes the child look knackery.

Ok why not... but it's due to your own vision of things. Where I come from (and loads of other places) it's not viewed as knackery.

UCDVet

'Tradition' is a stupid justification for anything. It's the last line of defense before someone with no other justification defaults to 'because I said so'.

// Brb - buying me a nice traditional slave and doing my best to revoke women's rights. Boy, I sure do love me some tradition.

Bullseye1

No just stupid.

Katgurl

Yes not to mentiOn complete knackers

lounakin

So this thread should have been called 'aren't parents who pierce their baby's ears stupid knackers?' because apparently there isn't much left to discuss here! There was a thread once about how most boardsies are white 20-30 year old middle class males etc... all of you have the same speech! From now on I will introduce myself as a stupid and complete knacker since that's all it takes.

tan11ie

danslevent wrote: »

Well most girls are going to pierce their ears anyway in the future, why not do it when they are young?

Because the earring can get caught in something and rip the earlobe.

Personally I don't like to see kids with their ears pierced. I cringe when I pass Claire's accessories and see a child screaming while getting it done.

Star Lord

mel1 wrote: »

Ah for gods sake every person in the country has been having their ears peirced by guns for about forty years, dont ever recall anyone dying from it.

Body piercers just want the whole market to themselves and i suppose to charge the earth for it aswell. And NO i dont work in Claires or pierce ears and have 14 ear holes all done with a pierceing gun and am still able to write this post!

Sure if you ever have to have surgery, why not get it done by someone with no training that will cut you open by forcing a spoon through your flesh, rather than a qualified surgeon cutting it cleanly with a scalpel?

You may (and probably will) claim this to be exaggerating the damage, but I'm not, it's just the same on a slightly bigger scale. A gun works by pushing a blunt stud through the flesh. A needle cuts cleanly through it. Which one of the above is better, and which will heal better? Which one is done with a single-use needle, and which is done by a plastic thing that is used to rip holes in children, and is unable to be sterilized?