I've just punched a child

Zomg Okay

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

No, but the jury wouldn't see it as self defense. You're just trying to sugar coat it.

Who cares what the fúcking jury thinks? I'd much rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.

BUBBLE WRAP

areyawell wrote: »

It all depends on the situation, if he wasn't carrying a knife you could tell em to **** off. If he tried to attack you, you could just restrain him. If he has a knife that's a different situation all together. And it will look good for the "defendant" regardless of age. Are you that thick?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/youth-held-after-garda-stabbed-at-festival-1855570.html

I suppose it was that guards fault he got stabbed was it. He should have kicking the crap out of the youth with a baton when he seen the knife.

Oh aren't we getting personal, did I hit a nerve?

As for your link, that "youth" could have been 16 or 17.. Different situation there. But this chap that confronted the OP, was "10" or "12". Now I can't see a 10 or 12 year old been scary armed with a knife or not. If this even did happen. :rolleyes:

BUBBLE WRAP

Zomg Okay wrote: »

Who cares what the fúcking jury thinks? I'd much rather be tried by twelve than carried by six.

A fair point.

BUBBLE WRAP

Rangi wrote: »

No, he had WMD's. Do you not read the papers?

Ah now come on, this is getting silly now. How is a knife classed as a Weapon of mass destruction.

Zomg Okay

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Now I can't see a 10 or 12 year old been scary armed with a knife or not. If this even did happen. :rolleyes:

How scary a twelve year old is (with or without a weapon) is completely irrelevant when you're being rushed to hospital with stab wounds.

BUBBLE WRAP

Zomg Okay wrote: »

How scary a twelve year old is (with or without a weapon) is completely irrelevant when you're being rushed to hospital with stab wounds.

What if it was a 10 year old?

apache

Theres plenty of 12 yr olds with hundreds of convictions. Just take a spin up to oberstown to check them out. If they are taking drugs and drink at that stage and doing adult crimes they deserve more than a punch.

He would have been let off anyway so good for the op for giving him a dig. Maybe he'll think twice now before putting it up to someone else.

Supraman

I wonder would the do gooders congratulate the op if the thread read "stabbed in stomach by a child" .

"Just walking to work some kid walks up to me with a knife . Having more regard for opinions of boards.ie members than my own life I decided to let him stab me for fear of defending myself and having to justify it . writing this from comfort of a trolley in a lovely hospital . hope the little scallywag realised he has been bold and his mother sends him to bed with no spuds tonight . actually that's awful that'd be cruelty to the little guy . hope he didn't hurt his hand as he drove knife into my stomach.

regards"

BUBBLE WRAP

apache wrote: »

Theres plenty of 12 yr olds with hundreds of convictions. Just take a spin up to oberstown to check them out. If they are taking drugs and drink at that stage and doing adult crimes they deserve more than a punch.

He would have been let off anyway so good for the op for giving him a dig. Maybe he'll think twice now before putting it up to someone else.

Link?

Also how many 10 year old's? Link also if you have it handy...

Zomg Okay

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

What if it was a 10 year old?

Oh, very well...

Zomg Okay wrote:

How scary a twelve or ten year old is (with or without a weapon) is completely irrelevant when you're being rushed to hospital with stab wounds.

There. Happy now?

BUBBLE WRAP

Zomg Okay wrote: »

Oh, very well...



There. Happy now?

No, where is the link for your accusation??

Theres plenty of 12 yr olds with hundreds of convictions.

Waiting....

Zomg Okay

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

No, where is the link for your accusation??



Waiting....

You're so busy stubbornly refusing to accept that you're wrong that you seem to have mistaken me for someone else.

But since you ask so nicely, a quick Google search pulled this up:

Almost 100 children aged between 10 and 12-years-old were convicted of crimes in Northern Ireland over a five year period, The Detail can reveal today.

During the same period, over 550 young people aged between 13 and 17 were sentenced to custody.

There you go, some evidence for apache's argument.

Source

areyawell

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

No, where is the link for your accusation??



Waiting....

Grow up! These little guys are just angels. they all deserve a medal
http://listverse.com/2011/05/14/top-10-young-killers/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/318029

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22636/Boy-12-stabbed-baby-brother-death.html

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/12yearold-stabs-man-at-christmas-party-20121127-2a5gg.html

BUBBLE WRAP

Zomg Okay wrote: »

You're so busy stubbornly refusing to accept that you're wrong that you seem to have mistaken me for someone else.

But since you ask so nicely, a quick Google search pulled this up:



There you go, some evidence for apache's argument.

Source

areyawell wrote: »

Grow up! These little guys are just angels. they all deserve a medal
http://listverse.com/2011/05/14/top-10-young-killers/

http://digitaljournal.com/article/318029

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22636/Boy-12-stabbed-baby-brother-death.html

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/12yearold-stabs-man-at-christmas-party-20121127-2a5gg.html

More abuse there, areyawell. Can't say I'm surprised. :rolleyes:

Meh! None of them links are from Irish websites or papers. This ain't Australia, northern Ireland, America or England. This is the republic of Ireland.

zuroph

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

More abuse there, areyawell. Can't say I'm surprised. :rolleyes:

Meh! None of them links are from Irish websites or papers. This ain't Australia, northern Ireland, America or England. This is the republic of Ireland.

So we're not allowed take anything published from outside Ireland as evidence? kids are kids

Your location is "Stateside". Should we ignore you too?

BUBBLE WRAP

zuroph wrote: »

So we're not allowed take anything published from outside Ireland as evidence? kids are kids

Your location is "Stateside". Should we ignore you too?

Well if we were talking about Irish road deaths for example. It wouldn't really make sense to pick random article from the net. "Oh in tokyo, only 20% wears seat belts. Must be the reason Irish road deaths are so high here.."

Feel free to ignore me if you wish. I couldn't give two hoots.

Bruthal

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

a child is defined as anyone under the age of 18.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/children_s_rights_and_policy/children_and_rights_in_ireland.html

"Scumbag" or not, it was a child. No matter what way you or anyone else here try's to change it, to make an attack on a child seem normal. :rolleyes:

Funny you seem to use the roll eyes a lot. Sort of ironic, as is the use of "normal" in your post there.

BUBBLE WRAP

Bruthal wrote: »

Funny you seem to use the roll eyes a lot. Sort of ironic, as is the use of "normal" in your post there.

Hmm, I never seen that on the forum charter, is there a limit on the amount of similes one is aloud use? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

zuroph

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Yup, indeed it is. If you prefer to jump on the bandwagon go on ahead.

My point is though, that it was a child. Clearly when a grown man hits a child armed or not, it not looking good for the "defender".

Since the majority here seen to disagree with you, on a large enough sample size, seems the jury would find in OPs favour too.
The issue isn't the definition of child, its of self defence. A child pulled a weapon, defender used reasonable force, diffused situation, and escaped.

BUBBLE WRAP

zuroph wrote: »

Since the majority here seen to disagree with you, on a large enough sample size, seems the jury would find in OPs favour too.
The issue isn't the definition of child, its of self defence. A child pulled a weapon, defender used reasonable force, diffused situation, and escaped.

Yup, a lot of people on the band wagon indeed.

zuroph

Popular opinion, bandwagon or not, is what makes decisions in a court of law.

triple-M

the first post must be up there in the most thanked posts ever!

BUBBLE WRAP

zuroph wrote: »

Popular opinion, bandwagon or not, is what makes decisions in a court of law.

Well, certainly not in an Irish court of law. When ever I read a thread on boards that involves an Irish court of law. the amount of post which included: "that's our Justice system for you" so I'd say the jury would favor the child. Child safety and all that..

Omackeral

Have to laugh at the poster who badgers and badgers the guy into producing figures of crimes committed by under 12s. He actually keeps baiting him with 'waiting...' etc and then when the guy produces figures for a few places it's not good enough! I mean he gets stats from Northern Ireland but that's not good enough. I'm sure if he got numbers from Cork it wouldn't be sufficient. Just accept that there are little sh*ts out there who will do this type of thing and be happy ya didn't have to deal with it yourself.

BUBBLE WRAP

Omackeral wrote: »

Have to laugh at the poster who badgers and badgers the guy into producing figures of crimes committed by under 12s. He actually keeps baiting him with 'waiting...' etc and then when the guy produces figures for a few places it's not good enough! I mean he gets stats from Northern Ireland but that's not good enough. I'm sure if he got numbers from Cork it wouldn't be sufficient. Just accept that there are little sh*ts out there who will do this type of thing and be happy ya didn't have to deal with it yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sHlqjFZ8fI

zuroph

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Well, certainly not in an Irish court of law. When ever I read a thread on boards that involves an Irish court of law. the amount of post which included: "that's our Justice system for you" so I'd say the jury would favor the child. Child safety and all that..

The giving it is usually down to the punishment handed down by judge.jury is popular opinion/majority

BUBBLE WRAP

zuroph wrote: »

The giving it is usually down to the punishment handed down by judge.jury is popular opinion/majority

What punishment would you think the child would have gotten if OP brought him to court? a slap on the wrist I'd rekon.

zuroph

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

What punishment would you think the child would have gotten if OP brought him to court? a slap on the wrist I'd rekon.

Id like to think the question would be asked of why the kid is not at school and is wandering the streets with a knife, but its irrelevant what punishment he would have gotten. The OP defended himself with appropriate force. Only the child was guilty of a crime

apache

BUBBLEWRAP you won't find any evidence online as criminals under 18 are protected by the childrens act. I work in a juvenile deliquent centre and am in court every day. They cannot be named as they are protected which is a load of BS.
At age 14 they have raped and murdered but you won't hear about it as reporters are not allowed in to protect their identity.

Take a trip to smithfield childrens court any day of the week and open your eyes. You must live a very shelteted life? See how many convictions they actually have to rack up in order to get a sentence.

One division in the institution is packed full of rapists. Yes "children" rapists. Most of the rest are in for murder, assault, theft, drugs and robbery.

They are all children in the eyes of the law so its like butlins to them. There is no deterrent and the same people are in again and again and again.

I can't give you links as its illegal to do so. But maybe research a bit into oberstown, trinity house and st patrick's institution.

This treat them with kid gloves attitude especially with the introduction of childrens ombudsman etc is a disaster. They get to stick two fingers up to everyone!

BUBBLE WRAP

apache wrote: »

BUBBLEWRAP you won't find any evidence online as criminals under 18 are protected by the childrens act. I work in a juvenile deliquent centre and am in court every day. They cannot be named as they are protected which is a load of BS.
At age 14 they have raped and murdered but you won't hear about it as reporters are not allowed in to protect their identity.

Take a trip to smithfield childrens court any day of the week and open your eyes. You must live a very shelteted life? See how many convictions they actually have to rack up in order to get a sentence.

One division in the institution is packed full of rapists. Yes "children" rapists. Most of the rest are in for murder, assault, theft, drugs and robbery.

They are all children in the eyes of the law so its like butlins to them. There is no deterrent and the same people are in again and again and again.

I can't give you links as its illegal to do so. But maybe research a bit into oberstown, trinity house and st patrick's institution.

This treat them with kid gloves attitude especially with the introduction of childrens ombudsman etc is a disaster. They get to stick two fingers up to everyone!

Eh excuse me?

Big Nasty

A girl I know works in one of those halfway house things for children. Most of the kids come from broken homes and have a history of physical abuse and / or drug abuse. She regularly gets attacked by some of the kids and before Christmas one of them tried to choke her to death with a rope. She still has the burn marks on her neck. The same child (16) was released to the care of his junkie mother for Christmas and she said she would be surprised if he makes it through the season as he will likely end up OD'ing with his mum. Sadly there is no hope for this child.

If the kid got a few smacks for misbehaving when he was younger he might have more of a sense of right from wrong and more respect for his own and others lives.

BUBBLE WRAP

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Zomg Okay

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Meh! None of them links are from Irish websites or papers. This ain't Australia, northern Ireland, America or England. This is the republic of Ireland.

You asked for evidence of ten and twelve year olds being convicted and it was provided. Now you're completely discrediting it because of the origins of the evidence. Cop on, for fúck's sake.

Whether it happens in Ireland, China or on Mars doesn't matter. You asked for evidence of under-12s being convicted and it was provided. Just because the 100 people in my link are up North (still on the same landmass, by the way) instead of in the Republic doesn't mean there isn't under-12s convicted down here.

If anything, a link to NI figures is perfectly relevant. NI has a lower population than the RoI. So, statistically, it would make sense that a greater number of under-12s are convicted here than there.

Micky Dolenz

Mod

Codoilgy and digs stop here please.

BUBBLE WRAP

MCMLXXV wrote: »

A girl I know works in one of those halfway house things for children. Most of the kids come from broken homes and have a history of physical abuse and / or drug abuse. She regularly gets attacked by some of the kids and before Christmas one of them tried to choke her to death with a rope. She still has the burn marks on her neck. The same child (16) was released to the care of his junkie mother for Christmas and she said she would be surprised if he makes it through the season as he will likely end up OD'ing with his mum. Sadly there is no hope for this child.

Jaysus, that's awful.

MCMLXXV wrote: »

If the kid got a few smacks for misbehaving when he was younger he might have more of a sense of right from wrong and more respect for his own and others lives.

Oh, no doubt. But a stranger hitting him isn't really going to help. I'd say the kid in OP's case will just look for a person more vulnerable to attack. I've seen and heard about this before..

zuroph

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

This message is hidden because zuroph is on your ignore list.

So we're residing to childish hands over the ears "I can't hear you" stuff now when you've no good comeback to solid argument. Way to back up your case. But sure go on, post more videos of hippos taking ****es. That'll show us.

apache

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Eh excuse me?

I obviously inputted the spelling wrong. I meant to say sheltered.

Big Nasty

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/184563_460687847313406_2057073292_n.jpg

Bruthal

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Hmm, I never seen that on the forum charter, is there a limit on the amount of similes one is aloud use? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Never mentioned any limits. I said you use them a lot, indicated again in your post there.

If someone around 18 or 19 confronts you with a knife, what would you do? I assume you have a plan of action?

mark renton

zuroph wrote: »

But sure go on, post more videos of hippos taking ****es. That'll show us.

Link?

galwayrush

Bruthal wrote: »

Never mentioned any limits. I said you use them a lot, indicated again in your post there.

If someone around 18 or 19 confronts you with a knife, what would you do? I assume you have a plan of action?

Apparently, the right thing to do is let them stab you, and if you're still alive, try and get them to talk about why they are doing this.....:pac::pac:

Big Nasty

mark renton wrote: »

Link?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oZTW30fAQY

:pac:

mark renton

Wheres the hippo?

Galwayguy35

I wonder would people be saying the kid shouldn't have ben hit if it was a blood filled needle that was used?

Would they be having a crises of conscience about defending themselves whilst wondering if the kid had a tough upbringing?

I know personally I would hit to defend myself rather than have a 6 months wait to see if I got HIV from junkie blood.

BUBBLE WRAP

MCMLXXV wrote: »

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/184563_460687847313406_2057073292_n.jpg

Eh, not funny...

BUBBLE WRAP

Zomg Okay wrote: »

You asked for evidence of ten and twelve year olds being convicted and it was provided. Now you're completely discrediting it because of the origins of the evidence. Cop on, for fúck's sake.

Whether it happens in Ireland, China or on Mars doesn't matter. You asked for evidence of under-12s being convicted and it was provided. Just because the 100 people in my link are up North (still on the same landmass, by the way) instead of in the Republic doesn't mean there isn't under-12s convicted down here.

If anything, a link to NI figures is perfectly relevant. NI has a lower population than the RoI. So, statistically, it would make sense that a greater number of under-12s are convicted here than there.

How so?

BUBBLE WRAP

Bruthal wrote: »

Never mentioned any limits. I said you use them a lot, indicated again in your post there.

If someone around 18 or 19 confronts you with a knife, what would you do? I assume you have a plan of action?

Yes, I would RUN for my life. Then into something like a public toilet and call the coppers!

Zomg Okay

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

How so?

Are you seriously asking me how the population of Northern Ireland is smaller than our own?

old hippy

dsmythy wrote: »

End the cycle by being stabbed and dying on the street? OP maybe not a hero but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta you, even if that involves instinctively smacking a little runt in the face.

And if he was 10? 9? 6? 5? at what age do you refrain from flexing your muscles

Bruthal

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Yes, I would RUN for my life. Then into something like a public toilet and call the coppers!

And if he catches you before you find a public toilet? A hard item to find when the emergency is only having to empty the bladder. What if you`re cornered, perhaps by two of them? Do your rules change then?

Has this happened you before? Would you let him stab you, after calmly taking the time to allow figuring out that you cant hit a "child" scumbag?