McClean refuses to wear poppy

Rascasse

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

If it's true makes you think if those soldiers actually died for freedom!

Freedom of speech.

That's a nonsense, there is no freedom of speech (though surely expression is the correct term) here. If it is true and, for example, Dave Whelan has decided all players wear a poppy and partake in the silence or don't play then that is fine. He own's the club, McClean is just an employee. It may not be particularly palatable here, but I doubt Whelan (who wanted a silence for Thatcher not so long ago) will care. The fact that other chairmen and managers let their players not wear it is irrelevant.

Is it confirmed though?Ridiculous that he'd be dropped for that.

.jacksparrow.

Rascasse wrote: »

That's a nonsense, there is no freedom of speech (though surely expression is the correct term) here. If it is true and, for example, Dave Whelan has decided all players wear a poppy and partake in the silence or don't play then that is fine. He own's the club, McClean is just an employee. It may not be particularly palatable here, but I doubt Whelan (who wanted a silence for Thatcher not so long ago) will care. The fact that other chairmen and managers let their players not wear it is irrelevant.

So it's politics taking over football?

GLaDOS

Would like to see it confirmed before getting too worked up about it.

Disgraceful if true though.

NIMAN

Was McClean even getting a start in the Wigan games?

Diabhal Beag

Sad to see the lack out OUTRAGE now that he isn't at the same level

Dozen Wicked Words

Its a herd mentality that EVERYONE should be wearing a poppy, its not a sign of respect anymore, its a sign of conformity. Northampton didn't as a team wear poppies today, more out of financial constraints than political motivation I'm sure but here are a selection of comments about the fact:

@ButterKus 1h
Northampton Town FC the only side not to wear Poppies on there shirts on rememberance day. Even Bishop Stortford have managed it #poor

‏@Markkingsbury80 1h
Shame on you Northampton Town! Where's your ****ing poppies you *****????

@arron_far 1h
Why don't Northampton have poppies on their shirts

@jess26cfc 2h
If bishop stortford can get poppies on their shirts I'm sure Northampton could have

@MatthewWatt7 40m
Let's all have a go at Northampton as well there not wearing poppies?

@amyy_maxey 40m
think its pretty bad that northampton havent got poppies on their shirts, especially as they are on tv on... http://fb.me/2zAFT97aA

@Charlington6 1h
Northampton, no poppies on shirts?

@24RyanJordan 1h
Why haven't Northampton got a poppy on their shirts?
Nice to see Bishop Stortford have a poppy of their shirts in #FACup on @ITVfootball - where are Northampton Towns? #RemembranceSunday

@R_Harris10 38m
@ntfc Why ain't Northampton Town wearing a poppy on their tops in today's F.A. Cup match?

@daznccc 1h
Nice to see Bishop Stortford with a poppy on their shirts as for @ntfc very very poor!!!!

Rascasse

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

So it's politics taking over football?

Nope, I was suggesting that if this is true it could merely be a case of the age old "he who pays the piper calls the tune" and that "freedom of speech" doesn't apply.

As others have said, he has often been on the bench lately so it could just be case of Twitter jumping to conclusions. Him being dropped + remembrance sunday = annual McClean poppy controversy.

citytillidie

Long did not have one on yesterday either

dor843088

To expect a team in a league full of foreign players to be happy about wearing a poppy is rediculous and optimistic to say the least. Having any team wearing a symbol with military ties such as the poppy is wrong .
Fair play to mclean .

ArmaniJeanss

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Britain is a failed society in many ways imo.

Its comfortably in the top 5% of countries to live in just about every worthwhile metric, 'failed society' is completely lol.

NIMAN

The way this nonsense is going, its only a matter of time before someone gets a slap for not wearing one, as some people seem to take it very personally and get very agitated about it.

Jelle1880

If true then poor show from Wigan.

Not only is it his own choice but his political views are pretty well known, acting as if it's a shock he won't wear a poppy is pretty stupid from Wigan.

Again, if true though, could be he was just dropped because he's simply not been playing that good.

dundalkfc10

http://www.derrydaily.net/2013/11/10/james-mcclean-dropped-by-wigan-for-not-wearing-poppy/

Speaking earlier this year, he said: “I got a lot of flak from everybody,” McClean added, “but I’ll say it again, it doesn’t bother me. Every year I’m not going to wear it, so I’ll take whatever comes.”

Corholio

Apparently he was told to leave the stadium by Coyle when he refused to wear it.

Fair play to the lad. He's got every justification to have the right not to wear it. A sad day for English football, letting this get involved in footballing decisions.

dundalkfc10

So turns out he was injured hahaha

Corholio

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So turns out he was injured hahaha

Haha really?

dundalkfc10

Corholio wrote: »

Haha really?

Yeh Coyle said he was injured, has a dad leg and i also went onto his twitter and he had a photo up yesterday of Derry saying Great to be home

Some clowns about!

Jelle1880

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Yeh Coyle said he was injured, has a dad leg and i also went onto his twitter and he had a photo up yesterday of Derry saying Great to be home

Some clowns about!

Dirty poppy fascists of Wigan :mad:

edit: I just had a look at his twitter, he likes Boyzone and Celine Dion. Should have been sent home for that alone.

wp_rathead

watching twitter freak out is mildly amusing i must admit

NIMAN

Everyone loves to be outraged these days, they should find something else to worry about than the decision of one adult to use their own freewill to make a decision.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Everyone loves to be outraged these days, they should find something else to worry about than the decision of one adult to use their own freewill to make a decision.

Hear hear.

Ross County, anyone?

cardwizzard

Did Shane Long and Chris Brunt choose not to wear it also?

Collibosher

cardwizzard wrote: »

Did Shane Long and Chris Brunt choose not to wear it also?

No, they wore them on their jersey.

Kirby

Collibosher wrote: »

No, they wore them on their jersey.

Whoever provided those shots has an agenda Collibosher.

That's either photoshopped or footage from another game because i'm looking at the recording of the Chelsea v WBA game here in front of me and Long isn't wearing a poppy on his shirt.

PauloMN

Long changed his shirt at HT.

Thank fcuk poppy month is over again, the agendas all over the place are unbearable.

Collibosher

Kirby wrote: »

Whoever provided those shots has an agenda Collibosher.

That's either photoshopped or footage from another game because i'm looking at the recording of the Chelsea v WBA game here in front of me and Long isn't wearing a poppy on his shirt.

No agenda, they're from a photographic agency website.

Long changed his jersey at half time, that didn't have the poppy on it.

Rascasse

Collibosher wrote: »

No, they wore them on their jersey.

That's it then: McLean is injured and other Irish players wore the jersey with poppy. No one but twitter cares.

Top clickbait from the Derry Daily.

Compare and contrast with the Veterans day commemorations in the US. The Brits are rather understated.

Collibosher

Rascasse wrote: »

...No one but twitter cares....

My favourite bit of twitter 'outrage' was the demand that the FAI take back Owen Coyle's Ireland caps in protest :rolleyes:

ballsymchugh

did anybody see johnny adair's twitter during the week. called Shane Long and James McLean 'arsepieces' for not having the poppy on their jersey. yeah, loyalist murderer and all round scumbag johnny 'mad dog' adair

:pac:

AgileMyth

McClean should have worn a poppy on his Ireland shirt last night. Just to see the internet explode.

Sir Gallagher

ballsymchugh wrote: »

did anybody see johnny adair's twitter during the week. called Shane Long and James McLean 'arsepieces' for not having the poppy on their jersey. yeah, loyalist murderer and all round scumbag johnny 'mad dog' adair

:pac:

You couldnt make it up.

A Dub in Glasgo

AgileMyth wrote: »

McClean should have worn a poppy on his Ireland shirt last night. Just to see the internet explode.

He should have worn a white poppy on his Ireland shirt last night. Just to see the red poppy fascists explode.

A Dub in Glasgo

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

He should have worn a white poppy on his Ireland shirt last night. Just to see the red poppy fascists explode.

A poppy with Johnny Adairs face on it would have caused mass confusion

NIMAN

A poppy in the shape of Johnny's arse?

eagle eye

While I wouldn't be all out in support of wearing a poppy I do think professional footballers in England should wear it if told by their bosses to do it. I have to wear a tie at work and I don't like doing but I have to because it looks good in the eyes of the general public. Likewiae for them, they are paid to represent a club and if the senior figures at the club see it as important from a business point of view then the players should be wearing them regardless of personal beliefs.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

While I wouldn't be all out in support of wearing a poppy I do think professional footballers in England should wear it if told by their bosses to do it. I have to wear a tie at work and I don't like doing but I have to because it looks good in the eyes of the general public. Likewiae for them, they are paid to represent a club and if the senior figures at the club see it as important from a business point of view then the players should be wearing them regardless of personal beliefs.

Big difference in wearing a tie which is part of your work uniform so to speak and a poppy.

You shouldn't have to wear a poppy if you don't want to, it's ridiculous.

Will I Amnt

eagle eye wrote: »

While I wouldn't be all out in support of wearing a poppy I do think professional footballers in England should wear it if told by their bosses to do it. I have to wear a tie at work and I don't like doing but I have to because it looks good in the eyes of the general public. Likewiae for them, they are paid to represent a club and if the senior figures at the club see it as important from a business point of view then the players should be wearing them regardless of personal beliefs.

A tie is a clothing accessory. It doesn't represent anything, therefore it's not in any way comparable. Would you be happy to go around the office in an orange sash if your boss asked?

.jacksparrow.

eagle eye wrote: »

While I wouldn't be all out in support of wearing a poppy I do think professional footballers in England should wear it if told by their bosses to do it. I have to wear a tie at work and I don't like doing but I have to because it looks good in the eyes of the general public. Likewiae for them, they are paid to represent a club and if the senior figures at the club see it as important from a business point of view then the players should be wearing them regardless of personal beliefs.

So wearing a poppy is now to do with business?

NIMAN

eagle eye wrote: »

While I wouldn't be all out in support of wearing a poppy I do think professional footballers in England should wear it if told by their bosses to do it. I have to wear a tie at work and I don't like doing but I have to because it looks good in the eyes of the general public. Likewiae for them, they are paid to represent a club and if the senior figures at the club see it as important from a business point of view then the players should be wearing them regardless of personal beliefs.

Seriously?

Rascasse

Will I Amnt wrote: »

A tie is a clothing accessory. It doesn't represent anything, therefore it's not in any way comparable. Would you be happy to go around the office in an orange sash if your boss asked?

Where is the line drawn? Should Muslims/Jews/devout Christians be allowed to not wear jerseys for promoting something that is incompatible with their faith, be it pay day lenders, betting companies, non halal/kosher/etc restaurants?

Let's face it - no one seriously believes that whatever is printed on the jersey has the personal endorsement of the player, do they? It is surely obvious to everyone that whatever the club sticks on the jersey is a commercial decision by the club and the club alone.

.jacksparrow.

Rascasse wrote: »

Where is the line drawn? Should Muslims/Jews/devout Christians be allowed to not wear jerseys for promoting something that is incompatible with their faith, be it pay day lenders, betting companies, non halal/kosher/etc restaurants?

Let's face it - no one seriously believes that whatever is printed on the jersey has the personal endorsement of the player, do they? It is surely obvious to everyone that whatever the club sticks on the jersey is a commercial decision by the club and the club alone.

How is a poppy a commercial issue to a football club?

Mars Bar

eagle eye wrote: »

While I wouldn't be all out in support of wearing a poppy I do think professional footballers in England should wear it if told by their bosses to do it. I have to wear a tie at work and I don't like doing but I have to because it looks good in the eyes of the general public. Likewiae for them, they are paid to represent a club and if the senior figures at the club see it as important from a business point of view then the players should be wearing them regardless of personal beliefs.

What political statement is your tie making?

NIMAN

I would fully support James in this decision, but then I am a fellow Derry man.

I think too many are chatting out of their hats in this subject. James is from the Creggan in Derry, an area from which some of those innocents murdered by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday in 1972 came from. Yet people would expect him to gladly go along with wearing a poppy to remember and support possibly those who did the shooting that day? Get real would you.

And don't forget the fact that he may be putting his own life or the life of his family members at risk if he wore the poppy.

This fascism every year really gets on my goat. Whatever happened to being allowed to make your own decision without being run down for it? James has already said he will never wear a poppy on his shirt, so its time people forgot about bringing this up every year. He has his convictions, and its good to see someone standing up for them even though it could cost him a football career and millions of pounds over his lifetime. That's how strongly he feels about it.

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

I would fully support James in this decision, but then I am a fellow Derry man.

I think too many are chatting out of their hats in this subject. James is from the Creggan in Derry, an area from which some of those innocents murdered by British soldiers on Bloody Sunday in 1972 came from. Yet people would expect him to gladly go along with wearing a poppy to remember and support possibly those who did the shooting that day? Get real would you.

And don't forget the fact that he may be putting his own life or the life of his family members at risk if he wore the poppy.

This fascism every year really gets on my goat. Whatever happened to being allowed to make your own decision without being run down for it? James has already said he will never wear a poppy on his shirt, so its time people forgot about bringing this up every year. He has his convictions, and its good to see someone standing up for them even though it could cost him a football career and millions of pounds over his lifetime. That's how strongly he feels about it.

Well said.

newballsplease

Did someone just compare wearing a Tie and wearing a poppy?!!


Ok



Im out.

death1234567

NIMAN wrote: »

And don't forget the fact that he may be putting his own life or the life of his family members at risk if he wore the poppy.

I support McClean's right to refuse to wear the poppy but the idea that he would be putting "lives at risk" by wearing it is beyond nonsense.

guttenberg

death1234567 wrote: »

I support McClean's right to refuse to wear the poppy but the idea that he would be putting "lives at risk" by wearing it is beyond nonsense.

The guy has got several death threats over it. Whats so hard to believe about that?

death1234567

guttenberg wrote: »

The guy has got several death threats over it. Whats so hard to believe about that?

That anyone with half a brain would take any of those death threats seriously.

Fr Tod Umptious

guttenberg wrote: »

The guy has got several death threats over it. Whats so hard to believe about that?

That's the thing about NI

One mob would threaten him for wearing one, and the other crowd would threaten him for not wearing it