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    #62
    BTH
    Registered Users Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    amphkingwest wrote: »
    Polar.

    You can't fault them for quality or build standards. 2 year warranty as standard.

    The downside of Polar is the lack of integratablility with ANT+ trainers etc.

    So there is a gap in the market for a one piece (not a separate gps sensor) gps Polar watch with ant+ compatibility. Surely their marketing department can see that, so why don't they just go an make it??


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    #63
    sconhome
    Registered Users Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    BTH wrote: »
    So there is a gap in the market for a one piece (not a separate gps sensor) gps Polar watch with ant+ compatibility. Surely their marketing department can see that, so why don't they just go an make it??

    Shhhh!! They're listening.


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    #64
    BennyMul
    Registered Users Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭BennyMul


    BTH wrote: »
    So there is a gap in the market for a one piece (not a separate gps sensor) gps Polar watch with ant+ compatibility. Surely their marketing department can see that, so why don't they just go an make it??

    The same could be said for Garmin, why continue to have this negative press due to quality issues, which if continued will seriously impact customer confidence and sales, which is what it is all about.


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    #65
    BTH
    Registered Users Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    BennyMul wrote: »
    The same could be said for Garmin, why continue to have this negative press due to quality issues, which if continued will seriously impact customer confidence and sales, which is what it is all about.

    Because Garmin are still shifting a sh1t load of units despite quality issues, which just goes to show how poor the opposition is at present. Its probably at the stage where people will continue to buy Garmins even if others start offering a better product for less, due to the stranglehold they already have on the market. For an example of this you just have to look at the latest iPhone.


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    #66
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    BTH wrote: »
    Because Garmin are still shifting a sh1t load of units despite quality issues, which just goes to show how poor the opposition is at present. Its probably at the stage where people will continue to buy Garmins even if others start offering a better product for less, due to the stranglehold they already have on the market. For an example of this you just have to look at the latest iPhone.

    This is unfortunately true. garmin are shipping cr@p and getting away with it cue the "but mind doesn't do it" possible because (a) you don't use it that much (b) you are too fvcked to notice (c) you train at night (d) you are blind

    Unfortunately for us the consumer Polar still see themselves as the trend setting, the company that all other companies must copy. So they will launch, in a big fancy show, new products that use a proprietary protocol.After the intial fanfare they will die on their hole.


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    #67
    sconhome
    Registered Users Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    In fairness to Garmin their dominance comes from the same sort of association that even a Dyson is still called a Hoover in most households.

    The value of HR training is often overlooked by most newbies (in all disciplines) as being really complicated and only for serious athletes. As a result tracking your run and sharing on Facebook (says he who just updated his blog :rolleyes:, again! ) has become more important or relevant to the majority. You only have to look at the roaring success that is the new FR10 to see the profile of the current market.

    Garmin are having 'normal' issues with the 910xt, as far as they are concerned there is no fault. I haven't had any issues with my Garmin Swim. I don't normally wear it as a watch but did on Saturday night and saw no problem with fogging coming out into the cold.

    They are replacing any watch which is returned due to the display fogging but these are reconditioned units. (Probably previous returns which have been dehumidified internally.)


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    #68
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    amphkingwest wrote: »
    In fairness to Garmin their dominance comes from the same sort of association that even a Dyson is still called a Hoover in most households.

    The value of HR training is often overlooked by most newbies (in all disciplines) as being really complicated and only for serious athletes. As a result tracking your run and sharing on Facebook (says he who just updated his blog :rolleyes:, again! ) has become more important or relevant to the majority. You only have to look at the roaring success that is the new FR10 to see the profile of the current market.

    Garmin are having 'normal' issues with the 910xt, as far as they are concerned there is no fault. I haven't had any issues with my Garmin Swim. I don't normally wear it as a watch but did on Saturday night and saw no problem with fogging coming out into the cold.

    They are replacing any watch which is returned due to the display fogging but these are reconditioned units. (Probably previous returns which have been dehumidified internally.)

    But if a Hoover failed to suck up dirt would it have been so popular?

    HR is important, definitely but its not the *only* metric. likewise as garmin found out from the dodgy HR straps neither is pace.

    As for the internally dehumidified units - I'll let you know.

    As for the garmin swim, it was so bad I would be worried about damage caused if used in freezing temperatures from the water freezing and expanding.


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    #69
    peter kern
    Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    sorry the value of Hr was totally overmarketed by polar in the first place .....
    and it was the pro s that moved first away from Hr .


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    #70
    tunney
    Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    peter kern wrote: »
    sorry the value of Hr was totally overmarketed by polar in the first place .....
    and it was the pro s that moved first away from Hr .

    Ah it can be useful. Riding along at an easy wattage and an easy rpe and your HR is through the roof then its pretty obvious that something is wrong
    1) You are sick
    b) You are dehydrated
    III) you are using a Garmin


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    #71
    sconhome
    Registered Users Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭sconhome


    peter kern wrote: »
    sorry the value of Hr was totally overmarketed by polar in the first place .....
    and it was the pro s that moved first away from Hr .

    When Polar introduced HR in 1977 it was never understood properly how it should be applied.

    They tried to demystify HR training for the recreational runner. The direction they have taken in their 'not so serious' watches lately is to give feedback to the user rather than throwing numbers around.

    Still a very useful guide to fitness and capability.


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    #72
    peter kern
    Registered Users Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    amphkingwest wrote: »
    When Polar introduced HR in 1977 it was never understood properly how it should be applied.

    They tried to demystify HR training for the recreational runner. The direction they have taken in their 'not so serious' watches lately is to give feedback to the user rather than throwing numbers around.

    Still a very useful guide to fitness and capability.


    i give you high points for marketing writing ;-)
    .


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    #73
    speedyj
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭speedyj


    tunney wrote: »
    1) You are sick
    b) You are dehydrated
    III) you are using a Garmin

    Like WTF with the three different bullet numbering styles :)


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