The Rebellion will begin in Donegal.

mikemac1

No train station in Cavan and Monaghan

Cossax

keith16 wrote: »

what are you on about

Donegal receives significantly more in tax from the government than it raises. The biggest subsidy, per capita, in the State.

dj jarvis

Local-womanizer wrote: »

I wouldn't use Dublin to compare though, major motorway, more public transport etc etc. if you are ever in Donegal, you will see the state if national roads, especially after winter, so you can imagine what the B roads are like!

Look at say Cork, very similar to Donegal ( apart from the accent!) and the road fatalities are very similar. It's a matter of fact people in these counties are more or less completely dependent on cars to get around as there is a lack of public transport. I think Donegal is probably the only county in the republic without a train station, I could be wrong on that.

On the dole, it is very strict in Donegal in the past few years. They are making a big point of targeting people defrauding the social welfare. It's also unfortunate that the system is left open to abuse and people will abuse it.

Can I ask where in Donegal you went on holiday? I know some people have that attitude up here but when push comes to shove its only big talk. I worked in a pub that was out of the town so to speak and the taxi drivers loved us for the business they got from our customers. The drink driving rates would be in line with any rural place in the country I would imagine, the gardai put a big emphasis on the problem here.

I understand that your post was slagging but it's just when I see the RTA figures being mentioned, it's accepted by the experts that the number of people killed here is no higher than similar populated counties, as I said its just highr profile cases.

I wasn't getting upset by the way, just standing up for the county where I've been all my life. It's a great place that could be exploited further if a proper road and rail system was put in.

understandable totally - i would do the same in a heart beat
but facts are facts - it does not have the reputation it has for no reason
its not like everyone just decided to pick on the place
i come from dublin and the abuse it gets on boards is horrendous , i will ALWAYS pick someone up on something that is not based in fact

but.......... dont care how it is spun - roads excuse or not , Donegal has a bad rep on the roads for a reason , and if the roads are so bad , why dont people just slow down for the conditions

it is widely known that speed is a major factor in most road collisions , and as you have said dublin has plenty of good wide roads - this in turn makes people drive FASTER , and with a huge number of people using them it should make dublin have a huge number of deaths compared to donegal , but it does not

in fact Dublin is now the safest capital city in Europe to drive in ,
so in fact i would go so far as to say its driver attitude in dublin is just better than in donegal - as i said , proud of the fact that they can do what they want attitude - and it was not one place in the county , i traveled the entire coast line and the islands - and for the most part the attitude was the same

in fact some voice pity on me for living in Dublin BECAUSE i could not rally and drink and drive - ( not to say Dublin does not have its fair share of these organ donors ) but it does look like more are up in the north west

perhaps with all the young folk leaving it will have a direct affect on the road death figures in the future

and ill say it here and now - fair ball for sticking up for the place you love , i love it also , hence why i holiday there - but still , the place is a death trap on the roads

LivelineDipso

mikemac1 wrote: »

No train station in Cavan and Monaghan

and just like that fiasco in the West demanding their old railine reopened - none of them used it. It's on the verge of being closed due to low useage. Same would happen in Donegal - scream for a train and once built look at it on opening day with the county colours being waved, but not use it.

Meanwhile other capital cities in Europe of lower population density than Dublin most with complex underground rail network - Dublin has none.

phoenix999

Wasn't Donegal the only county to reject the Children's Referendum? I think Donegal should be the new 'Rebel County'.

LivelineDipso

phoenix999 wrote: »

Wasn't Donegal the only county to reject the Children's Referendum? I think Donegal is the new 'Rebel County'.

more to do with paying attention at mass than understanding the issues I reckon.

Local-womanizer

dj jarvis wrote: »

understandable totally - i would do the same in a heart beat
but facts are facts - it does not have the reputation it has for no reason
its not like everyone just decided to pick on the place
i come from dublin and the abuse it gets on boards is horrendous , i will ALWAYS pick someone up on something that is not based in fact

but.......... dont care how it is spun - roads excuse or not , Donegal has a bad rep on the roads for a reason , and if the roads are so bad , why dont people just slow down for the conditions

it is widely known that speed is a major factor in most road collisions , and as you have said dublin has plenty of good wide roads - this in turn makes people drive FASTER , and with a huge number of people using them it should make dublin have a huge number of deaths compared to donegal , but it does not

in fact Dublin is now the safest capital city in Europe to drive in ,
so in fact i would go so far as to say its driver attitude in dublin is just better than in donegal - as i said , proud of the fact that they can do what they want attitude - and it was not one place in the county , i traveled the entire coast line and the islands - and for the most part the attitude was the same

in fact some voice pity on me for living in Dublin BECAUSE i could not rally and drink and drive - ( not to say Dublin does not have its fair share of these organ donors ) but it does look like more are up in the north west

perhaps with all the young folk leaving it will have a direct affect on the road death figures in the future

and ill say it here and now - fair ball for sticking up for the place you love , i love it also , hence why i holiday there - but still , the place is a death trap on the roads

A lot of the abuse Dublin gets is unwarranted, in actually like Dublin!

With regards the road deaths though, and sorry that I keep going back to it, but it is a mixture of bad roads and driver attitude without a doubt. But you have to take into account the dependency on private transport up here as well. I know that motorway speeds are higher but they are inherently safer to travel on, eg being the autobahn. I think that in 2010 Donegal had 19 road fatalities and Cork 21. It's not fair to just blame speed though, other factors have to be taking into account.

I won't deny we have our fair share of idiots up here, but then again so does any where in Ireland!

Ps the islands are mad anyway! :P

phoenix999

Local-womanizer wrote: »

A lot of the abuse Dublin gets is unwarranted, in actually like Dublin!

With regards the road deaths though, and sorry that I keep going back to it, but it is a mixture of bad roads and driver attitude without a doubt. But you have to take into account the dependency on private transport up here as well. I know that motorway speeds are higher but they are inherently safer to travel on, eg being the autobahn. I think that in 2010 Donegal had 19 road fatalities and Cork 21. It's not fair to just blame speed though, other factors have to be taking into account.

I won't deny we have our fair share of idiots up here, but then again so does any where in Ireland!

Ps the islands are mad anyway! :P

Well lets face it, Cork is the biggest county in Ireland. And with half a million people living in the county, it's amazing that more people aren't killed on those poor B roads.

dj jarvis

Local-womanizer wrote: »

A lot of the abuse Dublin gets is unwarranted, in actually like Dublin!

With regards the road deaths though, and sorry that I keep going back to it, but it is a mixture of bad roads and driver attitude without a doubt. But you have to take into account the dependency on private transport up here as well. I know that motorway speeds are higher but they are inherently safer to travel on, eg being the autobahn. I think that in 2010 Donegal had 19 road fatalities and Cork 21. It's not fair to just blame speed though, other factors have to be taking into account.

I won't deny we have our fair share of idiots up here, but then again so does any where in Ireland!

Ps the islands are mad anyway! :P

have to agree with you on that one :-)
we arrived on one of the islands to be greeted by a 20 year old vw passat with a huge hole from rust in the bonnet , dutch registered and had a pen draw sign in the cracked windscreen marked " taxi "

later on in one of the pubs , got the shout that the cops were on the ferry , i have never seen roads clear as quick in my life !!! ( not that there was much on them TBH )
have to say loved every minute of it and will be back

mattjack

phoenix999 wrote: »

Wasn't Donegal the only county to reject the Children's Referendum? I think Donegal should be the new 'Rebel County'.

We could combine Donegal and Cork and call the new county ''Dork''.

Where To

I wonder if I slagged off Dublin in the same vein Donegal is getting a berating in this thread how would it go?

Some of the comments are borderline racist.

Local-womanizer

phoenix999 wrote: »

Well lets face it, Cork is the biggest county in Ireland. And with half a million people living in the county, it's amazing that more people aren't killed on those poor B roads.

True but it has a big central populace in and around the city, with afaik a very good public transport system and roads for commuters.

Letterkenny is Donegal's biggest town with a population just under 30,000. The roads in and out if the town are shocking and there is no proper public transport system in and around the town.

I'm not making excuses but just looking at the reality that is present. A lot of it is also down to driver attitude as well, I agree. I know people who when younger thought nothing if buying a runner for €50 and joy-riding and getting chased by the gardai and wrecking the car and head home and struggle with broken bones or ribs. Doesn't happen as much now thankfully.

dj jarvis wrote: »

have to agree with you on that one :-)
we arrived on one of the islands to be greeted by a 20 year old vw passat with a huge hole from rust in the bonnet , dutch registered and had a pen draw sign in the cracked windscreen marked " taxi "

later on in one of the pubs , got the shout that the cops were on the ferry , i have never seen roads clear as quick in my life !!! ( not that there was much on them TBH )
have to say loved every minute of it and will be back

Sounds just about right!

overshoot

er road deaths in donegal... move on people we are the leading lights now, 6 on our 6000km of ****e roads in 2011, get your figures up to speed! :pac:

also on a side note i remember working out the deaths around my part of the county (say 30km all directions) and a sizable chunk of the deaths were not donegal people... the bad thing is though pretty much all were on the good N roads. falling asleep came up a few times

phoenix999

mattjack wrote: »

We could combine Donegal and Cork and call the new county ''Dork''.

I'm sure that would go down well

seven_eleven

Rasheed wrote: »

And this matters to you because.....???

Because Im interested to know what caused the deaths of 8 people, 7 of which were teens. There was a big report into it and it needs to be highlighted to make people aware in terms of road safety.

Local-womanizer

seven_eleven wrote: »

Because Im interested to know what caused the deaths of 8 people, 7 of which were teens. There was a big report into it and it needs to be highlighted to make people aware in terms of road safety.

It came down ultimately to one driver who showed seriously bad judgment on the night in question. That accident had serious long lasting emotional trauma to a lot in this county.

The accident probably would have happened had their been 5 people in his car, or 2.

Where To

seven_eleven wrote: »

Because Im interested to know what caused the deaths of 8 people, 7 of which were teens. There was a big report into it and it needs to be highlighted to make people aware in terms of road safety.

Case is still ongoing, whenever there is an outcome you'll hear about it.

seven_eleven

Thank you for the replies.. I understand its a very sensitive matter but I dont believe in hushing and sweeping it under the carpet. Attitudes like that just prevent progression and is similar to the now fading stigma towards suicide.

Pottler

The rebellion may well begin in Donegal, but by the time they get to anywhere that matters, the enthusiasm will have worn off and they'll eventually get mired down in Longford where someone will rob the wheels off it. By the time they hit Kildare, they'll be in tatters, desperate for a pint and starved for a hang sangwidge. I doubt Dublin is sh1tting it.:D

overshoot

seven_eleven wrote: »

Because Im interested to know what caused the deaths of 8 people, 7 of which were teens. There was a big report into it and it needs to be highlighted to make people aware in terms of road safety.

locked and hushed away you said in your last post... you asked on the condolences thread, hardly the place. would have gone so far off topic and into rants, it was rightly closed. it was also a zombie thread by then a year since the last post. why didnt you just start a new thread?:rolleyes:

and aint heard any official report other than the passat driver being in court for dangerous driving casusing death but then thats a automatic with 8 in the car. heard a few different stories about what happened with the case ongoing and none more than hearsay i wont be posting them

hmmm

I love Donegal & I love the people of Donegal, but they are receiving a massive amount more from the state than they are paying in taxes. They can go around with this chip on their shoulder about dem fellas up in dublin, but it'll get them nothing extra. They need to focus on their own product, particularly tourism which is really under-developed compared to other parts of the country - Errigal for example is one of their major attractions, yet there isn't even a proper path built.

Mint Sauce

phoenix999 wrote: »

Wasn't Donegal the only county to reject the Children's Referendum? I think Donegal should be the new 'Rebel County'.

One of the Dublin constitutancies also rejected it. Donegal also rejected the Fiscal treaty, and both attempts at Lisbon. Out of them 3 treaties, Donegal were the only constitutancy the reject at least one of them.

super_furry

Where To wrote: »

I wonder if I slagged off Dublin in the same vein Donegal is getting a berating in this thread how would it go?

Some of the comments are borderline racist.

Tis a disgrace Joe, really really terrible Joe, just shocking!

Where To

super_furry wrote: »

Tis a disgrace Joe, really really terrible Joe, just shocking!

Yeah the Joe Duffy fascination would be a good place to start alright.:pac:

Give me Shaun Doherty any day.

If a rebellion did start in Donegal would anyone notice any difference?

Where To

Deleted User wrote: »

If a rebellion did start in Donegal would anyone notice any difference?

RTE wouldn't anyway.

Cossax

irish-stew wrote: »

One of the Dublin constitutancies also rejected it. Donegal also rejected the Fiscal treaty, and both attempts at Lisburn. Out of them 3 treaties, Donegal were the only constitutancy the reject at least one of them.

:pac:

flogging a dead horse

Northern Donegal is a sweet part of the world. Lovely scenery and lovely people.

Capt'n Midnight

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

United Kingdom of Great Britain,Northern Ireland and Donegal has a nice ring to it

look at the trouble they had with Berwick upon Tweed

they were at war with Russia until 1966

K-9

dj jarvis wrote: »

as for dole fraud , it is well know that there is a major problem with dole fraud in the boarder area ( not with just residents of the ROI it has to be said )
google the life out of it if you want - volumes of print media reports on it
so much so this web page is up on the DSW site
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Press/PressReleases/2009/Pages/pr060309.aspx

That's amazing, who'd have thunk cross border welfare fraud would occur more often in border counties?

SafeSurfer

Donegal people have a proud tradition of resisting oppression. Donegal held out in it's resistance to English rule long after other counties had been conquered and colonised.

Cork claims to be the Rebel County. Few know that they got this title by supporting a pretender to the English throne.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_cork_known_as_the_rebel_county

Donegal was and is the real rebel county.

ArtSmart

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

look at the trouble they had with Berwick upon Tweed

they were at war with Russia until 1966

surely wee Daniel could smooth things over if it got to that point?


surely. with a h

purplepanda

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Donegal people have a proud tradition of resisting oppression. Donegal held out in it's resistance to English rule long after other counties had been conquered and colonised.

Cork claims to be the Rebel County. Few know that they got this title by supporting a pretender to the English throne.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_cork_known_as_the_rebel_county

Donegal was and is the real rebel county.

The only fighting in Donegal in 1798 was between the French & British Fleets offshore :rolleyes:

The Flight of the Earls was a bit one sided as well :pac:

danniemcq

Right after reading through this I’ll throw in my 2c (yeah that’s right cent not pence cause yes we do use the euro!)

For the people saying this is a Donegal bashing thread etc so what? We don’t care, we know a lot of people don’t like us and we love it.

We are the back end of nowhere, we had an influx of outsiders during the booms building their precious holiday homes up here that now display for sale signs through the county. This in my opinion will mean that prices for houses in Donegal will remain lower than the rest of the country for another few years, no jobs means more people leaving meaning less need for houses on sale. We aren’t blameless for these being built in the same way other counties are blotted with them too.

As for public transport, yes we don’t have the amount of people that Dublin has for instance, but when you actually look at the system we have up here its laughable. A lot of the satellite towns within say a 30 minute drive of Letterkenny (our biggest town) there is generally 2 buses a day, early morning and again in early evening meaning if you are lucky enough to get a job it’s a nightmare going to and fro (job being 9-5? Bus from rathmullen gets in at 8ish and returns at 4 so kinda ruins your chance of getting iot sue to work) these buses are overcrowded during school term and are so old they are rusted through the bottom.

As another poster said about deaths on our roads, the majority of traffic accidents and deaths I hear about involve people that aren’t from the county. Our roads are terrible and people coming in don’t realize it. It’s a sad statistic but thankfully the number of deaths are dropping. Be it due to lack of tourists, better roads, better education or a combination of all 3 its to early to tell.

As for our voting habits, the childrens referendum remember it was quite close throughout the country, a lot of our youth are no longer in the county meaning the old biddies hold the majority and we all know what they are like. And of the youth I’ve never seen so many people not vote in something. I think the thought that the referendum would pass regardless meant that a lot of people just stayed at home.

The other treaties? How many of them would you have voted differently on looking back on it now?

The hospital staff up here much like the rest of the country are stretched to the limit and so are the patients, It would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious, Ditto with the cops, mates tried to call Letterkenny Garda station and the phone was answered by the station in Buncrana which is about an hour away, not perfect if you are getting robbed/chased or reporting something serious.

People saying that other counties subsidize us through tax, well how many Donegal people are working in those other counties, its not that we don’t want to work, we just can’t because of no opportunities. Fingers crossed the new cross border broadband plan which promises crazy fast speeds will mean more companies will set up shop here meaning people don’t have to leave and we get to pay our own dues.

Let the Donegal bashing continue, we don’t care, we won’t take it personally (just remember when the revolution comes you will be the first against the wall)

TL:DR; if you are coming up don't forget your passport

dizzywizlw

You just remember that you're a smaller minority than the polish and they'll fight on our side.



Seriously though, we're not bashing you, you just do not matter,


at all.

danniemcq

dizzywizlw wrote: »

You just remember that you're a smaller minority than the polish and they'll fight on our side.



Seriously though, we're not bashing you, you just do not matter,


at all.

think you are forgetting something, If for examples sake Donegal started a rebellion it wouldn’t be a land grab (well maybe a bit for farming ya know) the pressure would be on the government to wrest the power back. How though? Donegal is perfect for guerrilla warfare, vast expanse of emptiness between towns making it perfect for ambushes (think final scene in Michael Collins, sorry for the spoiler) plus there is no point in putting a blockade on the boarder as we can farm and fish, both would be affected yes but impossible to stop. You also can’t block the boarder to the six counties, in theory the British Army would put a stop to all crossings but just like arms, drugs and fuel have been smuggled over in the past either over the river (that’s a foot wide in places) or underground.

As you can see in Syria at the moment in Allepo the Rebels are vastly outnumbered, vastly outgunned and are receiving minimal support.

The Irish Army isn’t as advanced as Syria’s yet the rebels here would have the exact same weaponry as the rebels plus if you looked hard enough you would find a number of shall we call them experienced rebels already?

How many soldiers would have to be killed before public pressure became to much and an agreement was made. It might not be full independence as the government would want to save some face but it would be a start.

9959

Frankly I'm more interested in their self-proclaimed 'sexy accents'.
We know about their driving habits, Jim McDaid gave us a demonstration of that right here in Dublin.

Is it the 'sexy accent' of Pat 'the cope' Gallagher or perhaps former minister for something Mary Coughlan?

There's me thinking that Juliette Binoche had a sexy accent, you live and learn.

SafeSurfer

purplepanda wrote: »

The only fighting in Donegal in 1798 was between the French & British Fleets offshore :rolleyes:

The Flight of the Earls was a bit one sided as well :pac:

The 1798 rebellion lasted for 4 months. Guess how long the Nine Year's War lasted.

danniemcq

9959 wrote: »

Frankly I'm more interested in their self-proclaimed 'sexy accents'.
We know about their driving habits, Jim McDaid gave us a demonstration of that right here in Dublin.

Is it the 'sexy accent' of Pat 'the cope' Gallagher or perhaps former minister for something Mary Coughlan?

There's me thinking that Juliette Binoche had a sexy accent, you live and learn.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/donegal-accent-sounds-sexiest-3032083.html

and you can't really use those 2 as examples, you wouldn't say Joan Burton's accent is a standard in Dublin for example.

Tombo2001

phoenix999 wrote: »

Wasn't Donegal the only county to reject the Children's Referendum? I think Donegal should be the new 'Rebel County'.

If the people of Donegal voted against this referendum because of some sort of protest vote against "everything", that is just pathetic.

Reminds me of the time a taxi driver told me he would vote against the Nice treaty because "he wouldnt give them the satisfaction"........he didnt know a damn thing about the Nice treaty.

Show Time

It would be great way of saving money if Britain was willing to re-embrace Donegal and it's people back into the fold.

Menas

Ah...Donegal! Where traffic lights are merely a suggestion.

dizzywizlw

danniemcq wrote: »

think you are forgetting something, If for examples sake Donegal started a rebellion it wouldn’t be a land grab (well maybe a bit for farming ya know) the pressure would be on the government to wrest the power back. How though? Donegal is perfect for guerrilla warfare, vast expanse of emptiness between towns making it perfect for ambushes (think final scene in Michael Collins, sorry for the spoiler) plus there is no point in putting a blockade on the boarder as we can farm and fish, both would be affected yes but impossible to stop. You also can’t block the boarder to the six counties, in theory the British Army would put a stop to all crossings but just like arms, drugs and fuel have been smuggled over in the past either over the river (that’s a foot wide in places) or underground.

As you can see in Syria at the moment in Allepo the Rebels are vastly outnumbered, vastly outgunned and are receiving minimal support.

The Irish Army isn’t as advanced as Syria’s yet the rebels here would have the exact same weaponry as the rebels plus if you looked hard enough you would find a number of shall we call them experienced rebels already?

How many soldiers would have to be killed before public pressure became to much and an agreement was made. It might not be full independence as the government would want to save some face but it would be a start.

Well firstly, you'd be rebelling against a democracy, no democracy has even lost to an insurgent movement in history, why? This is because you are rebelling against the people as sovereign not a despot or foreign invader. You wouldn't be a minority bravely fighting an oppressor, you would be traitors to the Irish republic and if you did attempt to secede or engage in violence against your fellow Irishmen which is highly unlikely but it's fun to pretend sometimes, you'd find yourself either quickly rounded up and arrested or facing not the FDF but the Irish Nation.

There's a huge difference between the political will to occupy and the political will to maintain sovereignty, you're not a colony you're our bloody property.

9959

danniemcq wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/donegal-accent-sounds-sexiest-3032083.html

and you can't really use those 2 as examples, you wouldn't say Joan Burton's accent is a standard in Dublin for example.

I never claimed that the Dublin accent was sexy, if I were to make such a claim, Joan Burton's dulcet tones would not spring readily to mind as an example.
Could accent of Fine Gael TD Peter Matthews be described as standard for Dublin, or the accent of popular RTE presenter Joe Duffy?
What's your point?

Please can you point us in the direction of someone from Donegal with a 'sexy accent'?

notnumber

Will this revolution be televised?

sfwcork

I hear that donegal women are dirty as fooooooookkk

if so keep the place

If not lock it up,lock it up

9959

notnumber wrote: »

Will this revolution be televised?

Yes, TG4.

Where To

9959 wrote: »

I never claimed that the Dublin accent was sexy, if I were to make such a claim, Joan Burton's dulcet tones would not spring readily to mind as an example.
Could the the accent of Fine Gael TD Peter Matthews be described as standard for Dublin, or the accent of popular RTE presenter Joe Duffy?
What's your point?

Please can you point us in the direction of someone from Donegal with a 'sexy accent'?

o/

intellectual dosser

What is there to rebel against? How hard would it be to take over Government Buildings? What is there to seize between Donegal and the capital? Any lunatic could have Enda's head on a spike anytime he wanted.

I think in this context a rebellion wouldn't have to mean some violent uprising - but a group actually standing up and saying things are crap and need to be changed.

Anyone following this thread think things are grand?

Menas

There is an Orange March every year in Rossnowlagh Donegal. Perhaps next year just inivite them to stay?