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Does being sceptical of mixed-race relationships automatically make you racist?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    That is so...."I dont fully grasp the definition of pretentious" :rolleyes:

    Explain?
    Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed.

    :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    I dont think OP is racist - the racism card is used so much nowadays against people who simply have an opinion, but he/she is perhaps guilty of overlooking the fact that a huge proportion of homoethnic (I just invented a word :D) realtionships also fail.

    My OH is not Irish and I will be honest and say that it has caused problems for me (and I am sure she would say "my OH is not (her nationality) and that has caused problems for me). Language barrier for a start (our mother tongues are different so often nuances, sarcasm, humour etc can be lost/hard to explain/killed in the process of explaining lol) and of course we have cultural differences that at times are great but other times are maddening) - then again we are probably just racist...

    Why did you put "her nationality" instead of saying it
    Are you worried people will judge you ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭se02orqua5xz9v


    Leftist wrote: »
    except for people close to you.

    And I suppose you're hunky-dory with people close to you getting divorced? Well, I am not. It saddens me when relationships between those close to me end. Break-ups are never a walk in the park, especially if children are involved.

    The only reason I am sceptical of white woman/black man relationships is the higher statistical likeliness of the relationship ending. If a white woman/black man couple live a long and happy live, then I would be delighted for them, and their extended family. Of course, several sanctimonious posters on here have deliberately misrepresented what I have written, to paint me as some kind of racial supremacist exulting in the end of every mixed-race relationship in the world. What a load of bollocks!

    For the record, I am also sceptical of relationships with a large age gap, as in the case of Aaron Johnson (22) and Sam Taylor Wood (45). But I suppose this makes me ageist as well, does it?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    I'm sceptical of threads like these, where the cringe factor is upped and some very unsavoury comments are made.

    My wife is Japanese, I'm Irish (American parent) and we've been together for something like 15 years. We have our ups and downs but we decided to make it official and got spliced 2 years ago. No regrets. My 1st cousin was in a mixed relationship and it didn't work out, however she has a lovely, intelligent daughter from it and that's someone we're all proud of.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is at the end of the day, some relationships work out and some don't. Race has nothing, nothing to do with it. Except in the minds of bigots. And yes, sadly there's a fair few of you here. You know who you are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    I would prefer all Tipperary people to only marry Tipperary people. Don't spread your genes around, please.

    Una Healy, feel free to ignore this.
    Spread those genes baby, oh yeaaaaa:cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Everything makes you racist now.

    Sexist!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 699 ✭✭✭lounakin


    Yes, it is racist to assume that a person wouldn't be open-minded enough to accept another's difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    And I suppose you're hunky-dory with people close to you getting divorced? Well, I am not. It saddens me when relationships between those close to me end. Break-ups are never a walk in the park, especially if children are involved.

    The only reason I am sceptical of white woman/black man relationships is the higher statistical likeliness of the relationship ending.

    For the record, I am also sceptical of relationships with a large age gap, as in the case of Aaron Johnson (22) and Sam Taylor Wood (45). But I suppose this makes me ageist as well, does it?

    There's a higher statistical chance of males to be involved in a road accidents/substance abuse and physical abuse. Would you prefer if your female relatives gave them the swerve?

    If you told me I should ditch the missus because she was a different race beacuse of some stats you pulled out of your hat I'd laugh until you stopped being a racist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭9959


    Leftist wrote: »
    There's a higher statistical chance of males to be involved in a road accidents/substance abuse and physical abuse. Would you prefer if your female relatives gave them the swerve?

    If you told me I should ditch the missus because she was a different race beacuse of some stats you pulled out of your hat I'd laugh until you stopped being a racist.

    I'm afraid you'll probably die laughing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    so OP if you fall in love with a woman/man of another race would you do the right thing and break up because o' the stats?
    Does it matter what race? what I mean is, if he\she is say slavic to your northern european, is that better, compatibility wise, that if he/she was south asian to your northern european?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Scioch wrote: »
    Language is not linked to race though. Its linked to nationality and even geographical region. So if a black man and white woman break up due to language issues its still jotted down in the op's study as "another mixed race divorce". When it has nothing to do with race at all, simply cultural difference as you might find between an Irish speaking turf cutter from the west and and Dublin urbanite.

    What leads me to believe the op is a racist is firstly the fact he's bothered about this at all and secondly he used the example of a white man, white woman as the example to compare mixed relationships to. Even though he's not against divorce. He has no issue with divorce but for some reason is sceptical of mixed race relationships. He's a racist alright.

    So questioning something now makes you racist? Dear God we're all at it so.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Leftist wrote: »
    there's more black people in prison in america than white people, yet the population is 12% vs 70%, so judging by 'statistics' black people are more likely to break the law.
    Well clearly they're more likely to be imprisoned so the stat in that sense is correct. The why's behind the stats get complexity involved which confuses some, or rather, too many*. People like simplistic, easy and pat answers.

    Even the question and definition of "race" itself an example. Clearly different modern human populations differ in a number of ways, but in very complex and often subtle ways. In the past and in the present with ignorant types, we classified these populations in very simplistic ways. Black, white, yellow, etc. The joke is that many scientists in the past(and they weren't all stupid, not by a long shot) backed up these simplistic breakdowns of humanity with pretty extensive research. Research we know today to be flawed. That said one could argue that because of the fear of repeating such daftness we can also deny differences that are present. Medical research one example. Some drugs work differently on different populations. Different populations can suffer from different ailments in the first place. Public health policies in nations with different populations would have to account for same and often don't.

    Personally I'd see all people as the same species, though within that we're sub sub species of each other with lots of overlap at the borders of contact. If we were any other animal(which we are) we would be objectively classified that way. Darwins finches are considered sub species, even separate species, yet hybridise easily and their differences in beaks etc could be argued as less than a Mongolian bloke and a Baka bloke. NO superiority of one population over another BTW, though your average Eskimo is gonna survive a lot longer in the freezing cold than I will and in turn I'll take longer to go blue than a lad from the Sudan.




    *overall more blacks are involved in crime(certain types) than whites and other groups. However they're also more likely to be from "broken homes", unemployed, living at the poverty threshold and more likely to be incarcerated when they are caught and convicted. PLus whites are sooo much more likely to be involved in white collar crime, yet those crimes don't attract the same penal outcomes by comparison.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Leftist wrote: »
    :cool:

    lol, there's a part of me that want to say:

    "Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. " actually makes no sense...

    and then there's a bigger part thinking, ah bless did you fall and hit your head pet :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Tigger wrote: »
    Why did you put "her nationality" instead of saying it
    Are you worried people will judge you ?


    Nope, just dont want to be identified. I tend to give away far too much info on boards... :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    "Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. " actually makes no sense...
    actually that's the google dictionary definition. Maybe doesn't make sense, to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭Cavehill Red


    Cosmicfox wrote: »
    We did a bit about this in home-ec for LC.

    People are more likely to stay together if the have similiar backgrounds, eg same class, same race, same religion, smaller age gaps. Less chance of conflict and less outside pressure.

    Something like that anyway. If you really love the person it shouldn't matter

    Jesus, the things you have to learn just to bake a cake these days!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Leftist wrote: »
    actually that's the google dictionary definition. Maybe doesn't make sense, to you.


    Oh dear, it seems you're having a bad day. Relax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Oh dear, it seems you're having a bad day. Relax.

    I could wear thermals I'm that chilled. not my fault you didn't know what pretentious means.

    :o4u


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 353 ✭✭RADIUS


    budgemook wrote: »
    It's true! surprised I typed that. I think it is normal to be a bit sceptical though.

    It's not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Leftist wrote: »
    I could wear thermals I'm that chilled. not my fault you didn't know what pretentious means.

    :o4u

    How exactly was my post pretentious?

    Also, can you post the link to the definition you found?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    OP, would you ever stop worrying about other peoples relationships and just concentrate on making your own relationships work?

    €&£%ing busy bodies annoy the $^1*e out of me getting all up in other peoples business. Ain't nobody got time for that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    So questioning something now makes you racist? Dear God we're all at it so.

    Questioning something because of the colour of someone's skin is racist. The issue he raised wasnt about relationships, cultural differences or language barrier. He simply used them as a bases to prejudge a mixed race couple. His questions was "Is it racist to think the colour of someones skin affects something".

    The answer to his question is yes, yes it is. And for all the whinging people are doing you are really only trying to outweigh the "PC brigade" with your own nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭Apanachi


    I have a white catholic Aunt who's been married to a black muslim guy for the last 40 or so years

    I'm in a mixed race marriage myself, been married almost 14 years and still very happy.

    I know a hell of a lot of same race marriages that haven't lasted even half as long as mine, race doesn't have any bearing on the chances of marriage survival.

    Judging someone because of race is racist, even if the OP might not mean it in a bad way, I still think it is a racist point of view.

    (Not saying the OP is a bad guy and hates other races, racism comes in different forms and in some way I think everyone has a bit of racism in them, (I'm not talking about hate) but racial stereotyping is a form of racism and let's be honest, we all do it to some extent)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Apanachi wrote: »
    I have a white catholic Aunt who's been married to a black muslim guy for the last 40 or so years

    I'm in a mixed race marriage myself, been married almost 14 years and still very happy.

    I know a hell of a lot of same race marriages that haven't lasted even half as long as mine, race doesn't have any bearing on the chances of marriage survival.

    Judging someone because of race is racist, even if the OP might not mean it in a bad way, I still think it is a racist point of view.

    (Not saying the OP is a bad guy and hates other races, racism comes in different forms and in some way I think everyone has a bit of racism in them, (I'm not talking about hate) but racial stereotyping is a form of racism and let's be honest, we all do it to some extent)

    Didn't he present studies to substantiate his claims?

    Honestly some people get so worked up about stuff, I wonder how some of you even get through the day if you are so offended and put out by this, that and the other.

    I am not racist (though no doubt someone on here will accuse me of it shortly for having an opinion) and I go out with someone who is not from Irealnd, who has a different skin colour to me and whose mother tongue is different and yes sometimes things are difficult for us and no it is not because of the colour of her skin - it is, as already stated because if language and cultural differences. Surely that's what the OP was getting at and not just "oh it wont work because you are x,y, or z colour"?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Didn't he present studies to substantiate his claims?

    Honestly some people get so worked up about stuff, I wonder how some of you even get through the day if you are so offended and put out by this, that and the other.

    I am not racist (though no doubt someone on here will accuse me of it shortly for having an opinion) and I go out with someone who is not from Irealnd, who has a different skin colour to me and whose mother tongue is different and yes sometimes things are difficult for us and no it is not because of the colour of her skin - it is, as already stated because if language and cultural differences. Surely that's what the OP was getting at and not just "oh it wont work because you are x,y, or z colour"?

    Maybe it's down to personality, rather than point of origin or skin tones.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    old hippy wrote: »
    Maybe it's down to personality, rather than point of origin or skin tones.

    Perhaps. I don't think we have any more or less problems than a "traditional" couple whatever that is :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭endofrainbow


    Where all the white women at ? :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Where all the white women at ? :D

    Getting some black loving :D

    Seriously though, for many years I was very skeptical about mixed race relationships myself and had some quite insular views on the subject. However having traveled extensively across the world it has very much broadened my horizons on this and other subjects. For me I think South East Asian women from Thailand and the Philippines are amongst the worlds most beautiful and with the best attitudes. Who really cares is what I think? I have no loyalty to Ireland and would gladly skip this country if finances were healthier. God knows I'd prefer any future children to grow up in a better society than ours and that they'd get to see the sun shine for more than 4 days a year.

    I think people are most threatened by Black Male and White Female couplings and it can bring out some insecurities in white men, losing "their" women and fear about racial hegemony. There is far more white men actively involved is miscegenation than White females and the biggest interracial couplings are usually White Men / Asian Women followed behind by White Female / Black Male. Many people at different points in their lives fool around with partners from different races but the only real catalyst which matters is the numbers of mixed-race births and in Ireland this is quite low compared to the UK where it is still only a tiny percentage.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Gauss


    I must admit when I see a Caucasian man with an Asian woman I sometimes assume the man's penis is on the small side. I'm not even sure if that even makes sense to think that, perhaps I've been conditioned to think that by our culture and media.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Gauss


    I must admit when I see a Caucasian man with an Asian woman I sometimes assume the man's penis is on the small side. I'm not even sure if that even makes sense to think that, perhaps I've been conditioned to think that by our culture and media.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Gauss wrote: »
    I must admit when I see a Caucasian man with an Asian woman I sometimes assume the man's penis is on the small side. I'm not even sure if that even makes sense to think that, perhaps I've been conditioned to think that by our culture and media.

    When I see a Caucasian man with an Asian woman I get jealous. Because Asian women are hot


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    First of all, lest anyone misinterpret the headline of this thread, I am not against mixed-race relationships. I believe people should be allowed to date whoever they want, as long both parties are consenting adults, and I myself would not be adverse to dating someone of a different ethnicity, as I have done in the past (albeit briefly).

    However, when it comes to two people of different ethnicities dating or marrying, I cannot help but feel less confident about the survival of their relationship than if both were of the same ethnic background. I dare not say this to anyone but my closest friends, for fear of being branded a racist.

    But why is it racist to be sceptical of mixed-race relationships? They have a much higher divorce rate in racially-mixed countries like the United States than marriages between people of the same background.

    An academic article, visible here, by Professor Jenifer Bratter (who is herself of mixed-background) and Professor Rosalind King, entitled "But Will It Last?": Duration of Interracial Unions Compared to Similar Race Relationships", included in Volume 57, Issue 2 of the publication Family Relations, states that White Wife/Black Husband marriages have twice the divorce rate as White Wife/White Husband marriages.

    As I say, I'm not against mixed-race relationships, I don't think we should have anti-miscegenation laws, as they had in the state of Virginia until 1967, or in South Africa under apartheid. However, if a close friend or relative happened to date someone of a different ethnicity, I would probably be slightly apprehensive about it.

    I also do not believe that children whose parents are separated are as likely to have a happy, prosperous childhood as children raised with married parents. That does not mean I am against divorce, just that I find divorce especially saddening when children are involved.

    Difficult to deduce anything from the US example regarding divorce. 50% of all marriages in the US end in divorce. I attribute this to a bunch of things. People getting married because it's the "done thing", i.e. they get married without thinking it over because their friends get married.

    Anyway....in 2005 in the US, only 7% of marriages were interracial. So saying that the high divorce rate in the US has anything to do with interracial marriage is nonsense. They may have a very culturally and racially mixed society but paractically none of them are marrying outside of their race.
    And you can't really call it an interracial marriage if Joe Campbell and Kathy Eckert from Long Island get married when neither of them could find Scotland or Germany on a damn map.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Logical_Bear


    And you can't really call it an interracial marriage if Joe Campbell and Kathy Eckert from Long Island get married when neither of them could find Scotland or Germany on a damn map.

    nots not an interracial marriage...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    nots not an interracial marriage...

    Excuse me...what?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,985 ✭✭✭✭dgt


    First of all, lest anyone misinterpret the headline of this thread, I am not against mixed-race relationships. I believe people should be allowed to date whoever they want, as long both parties are consenting adults, and I myself would not be adverse to dating someone of a different ethnicity, as I have done in the past (albeit briefly).

    However, when it comes to two people of different ethnicities dating or marrying, I cannot help but feel less confident about the survival of their relationship than if both were of the same ethnic background. I dare not say this to anyone but my closest friends, for fear of being branded a racist.

    But why is it racist to be sceptical of mixed-race relationships? They have a much higher divorce rate in racially-mixed countries like the United States than marriages between people of the same background.

    An academic article, visible here, by Professor Jenifer Bratter (who is herself of mixed-background) and Professor Rosalind King, entitled "But Will It Last?": Duration of Interracial Unions Compared to Similar Race Relationships", included in Volume 57, Issue 2 of the publication Family Relations, states that White Wife/Black Husband marriages have twice the divorce rate as White Wife/White Husband marriages.

    As I say, I'm not against mixed-race relationships, I don't think we should have anti-miscegenation laws, as they had in the state of Virginia until 1967, or in South Africa under apartheid. However, if a close friend or relative happened to date someone of a different ethnicity, I would probably be slightly apprehensive about it.

    I also do not believe that children whose parents are separated are as likely to have a happy, prosperous childhood as children raised with married parents. That does not mean I am against divorce, just that I find divorce especially saddening when children are involved.

    You seriously need to get out more


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    I'm not sure how anyone can fault someone for basing their expectations of something on factual data.

    If you show me a reliable study that says people of race X are 6" taller, on average, than race Y - I'm no a racist for thinking people of race X are taller than people of race Y. If I haven't seen someone, but you tell me they are of race X - I'm going to expect them to be taller than the average person of race Y - because it's TRUE.

    If you've read studies that show interracial couples are more likely to divorce, you'd be pretty foolish to ignore that and pretend they aren't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭9959


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I'm not sure how anyone can fault someone for basing their expectations of something on factual data.

    If you show me a reliable study that says people of race X are 6" taller, on average, than race Y - I'm no a racist for thinking people of race X are taller than people of race Y. If I haven't seen someone, but you tell me they are of race X - I'm going to expect them to be taller than the average person of race Y - because it's TRUE.

    If you've read studies that show interracial couples are more likely to divorce, you'd be pretty foolish to ignore that and pretend they aren't.

    And so the lesson today boys and girls.
    If you see someone of a different race.

    SUPPRESS any feelings of attraction towards them.
    ON NO ACCOUNT should you flirt or give any indication of romantic interest.
    DO NOT ever contemplate any type of 'serious' relationship.
    AND NEVER marry them.
    WHY? because according to UCDVet "If you've read the studies that show interracial couples are more likely to divorce, you'd be pretty foolish to ignore that and pretend they aren't"
    WHAT ABOUT LOVE? no that's only for same race couples.



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    whose skin was jelly - whose teeth were green
    she had the big bug eyes and the death-ray glare
    feet like water wings - purple hair
    I was over the moon - I asked her back to my place
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    We walked out tentacle in hand
    you could sense that the earthlings would not understand
    they'd go nudge nudge, when we'd get off the bus
    saying: "It's extra-terrestial not like us
    and it's bad enough with another race
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    To the op, perhaps if you inverted your question you might find the answer.

    "Does being racist automatically make you sceptical of mixed-race relationships"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    When I see a Caucasian man with an Asian woman I get jealous. Because Asian women are hot

    Damn right they are. I have dated several while back in California. They are a very tight fit ;) And only one of them ever tried to kill me.

    Alrighty then. As the product of a Cherokee Indian man whom was part German, and a Japanese mother, I can report they remained married until my father's untimely death. My mother never remarried. She passed away alone in 1993 while I was away in university. I feel to this day she died of a broken heart. She was 53.

    I grew up in Texas and Clovis, CA - both very hick places at the time. I faced a tremendous amount of racism in my life, and was often times the only person of mixed race in a class or bus or what have you. My mother made me take karate and jujutsu lessons starting at the age of 8 so that I could better defend myself from the fights I ended up in due to racism(and I was probably a bit of a wise ass). I am convinced until people stop bringing race to the forefront that racism will never die. It must be some sort of defense mechanism we humans have evolved to defend and protect our pack. I would not be surprised if, in the future, we argue about how much white we have amongst the other colors in us as we've all mixed so much due to human integration. Just look at how folks behave about it in Brasil. They actually have been shown to practice racism based upon how much caucasian-looking your skin is. Some try to avoid the sun as much as possible to avoid too much tanning.

    Basically what I am saying is, if one wishes to, one can find many reasons to state why one race is better than the other. The only issue I have with this is the fact that there is only one human race. You honestly believe because your skin is of a different color that you are of a different race?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPf03T8YN-4


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Mixed marriage?

    Sure we have lots of them in Ireland

    Catholic and Protestant :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    I can't see how it's racist tbh - just based more on observation/stats. Not fair to be so anxious to call someone racist.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    When I see a Caucasian man with an Asian woman I get jealous. Because Asian women are hot
    Funny enough - and I know I'm an oddball on this score - I don't find Asian ladies hot. Certainly not as hot as most men seem to. Dunno why. I mean they're usually more petite and slim and that's what I generally like, but nope. Like anything there's always an exception and I'd think Michelle Yeoh is well gorge, an Asian Monica Bellucci, or is Monica the European Michelle? Yea I'll go with that. :)
    Reindeer wrote: »
    Alrighty then. As the product of a Cherokee Indian man whom was part German, and a Japanese mother, I can report they remained married until my father's untimely death. My mother never remarried. She passed away alone in 1993 while I was away in university. I feel to this day she died of a broken heart. She was 53.
    :(

    I am convinced until people stop bringing race to the forefront that racism will never die. It must be some sort of defense mechanism we humans have evolved to defend and protect our pack.
    Probably is alright RD. May even have an ancient genetic advantage at the back of it. We're the best pattern matching machines on the planet and we're really good at spotting the odd one out. "New blood" would be advantageous to a tribe/group of humans, but against that is the threat of the group genetics being overwhelmed is also a strong one. IE if one white fella is washed up on some desert isle of dark folks, he'd be a curiosity and a welcome one from a new blood vantage point. 50 white fellas show up and the locals would get antsy.

    There's a gender split going on in this scenario too. You'll note that at a very basic level your hick racist types of any background are way more twitchy about men of different races/populations than they are about women of a different race. The men are seen as much more of a threat, which they would be given that a woman may have 6 or 8 kids at a push, a bloke could have dozens. The US fear of the Black man has a lot to do with this. They're often seen in heightened sexually charged terms. The old huge willies thing etc.
    I would not be surprised if, in the future, we argue about how much white we have amongst the other colors in us as we've all mixed so much due to human integration. Just look at how folks behave about it in Brasil. They actually have been shown to practice racism based upon how much caucasian-looking your skin is. Some try to avoid the sun as much as possible to avoid too much tanning.
    True. You also see this among black folks in the US, the whiter looking people, the "redbones" are seen as lesser or greater depending on the viewpoint. The old house/field nígger split.

    In areas of the world where lots of mixing has gone on over centuries you're gonna see this. That said, worldwide the vast majority of people have kids with those very close to them in genetic heritage. Worldwide we're quite the distance away from all of us being generically brown people. Plus this stuff "breeds out" remarkably quickly. EG Many English folks might think of themselves as Saxon and the Anglo Saxons did invade and did spread their culture and seed about, yet today their genetic legacy is reduced to teeny tiny amounts in the current population. One % for most and only getting to 10% in the eastern parts of the UK and even then in small pockets. That's in the male lines BTW, there are no female Saxon lines remaining today. Then again we think of ourselves as Celts yet we've no Celtic blood/dna. An interesting one which I'll try to dig up was a genetic study across Europe and what they found was(in men particularly) that the vast majority of people of European descent could be mapped by their genetics to within 100 kms of their geography. Which is pretty amazing considering. I mean somewhere like Ireland which is on the arse end of the continent, a place rarely invaded, you might expect that, you might expect isolation(which we dont have as much as we may think). But somewhere like Germany say? Where people have been migrating/invading/been invaded/shagging for thousands of years and the continuity can be remarkably local.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I'm not sure how anyone can fault someone for basing their expectations of something on factual data.

    If you show me a reliable study that says people of race X are 6" taller, on average, than race Y - I'm no a racist for thinking people of race X are taller than people of race Y. If I haven't seen someone, but you tell me they are of race X - I'm going to expect them to be taller than the average person of race Y - because it's TRUE.

    If you've read studies that show interracial couples are more likely to divorce, you'd be pretty foolish to ignore that and pretend they aren't.

    You have a point. However, my point is one can easily take some statistics and data and warp them to fit a preconceived hypothesis. In this case - whether mixed race marriages do not last as well as same race. This thread is the perfect example, as here is the quote from the very absrtact the OP quoted as his point:

    Abstract: The literature on interracial families has examined social stigmas attached to interracial relationships but has not thoroughly documented whether crossing racial boundaries increases the risk of divorce.

    A single study is far from documented proof.

    So here we are, misrepresenting the facts of a study and extrapolating our own conclusions...

    I would hate to get Freudian on your collective asses, but it looks like some folks were somewhat eager to jump upon the 'racism is science' bandwagon...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭zyanya


    I think race does not matter when you're in love. Culture maybe, but not race.

    Know what's funny? I'm Latina (most people asume I'm white when I'm abroad, though) and like 75% of the fellows I have dated, are either white or black. I'm just WAY luckier with white fellas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭MakeEmLaugh


    zyanya wrote: »
    Know what's funny? I'm Latina (most people asume I'm white when I'm abroad, though) and like 75% of the fellows I have dated, are either white or black. I'm just WAY luckier with white fellas.

    Ahem... are you currently single?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭zyanya


    Blushing you got me!

    I think I am, that was about to change but I sort of got disappointed on someone. Someone only half hispanic ^^,


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    I think this song says it all about some peoples attitudes to mixed race relationships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    zyanya wrote: »
    I think race does not matter when you're in love. Culture maybe, but not race.

    Know what's funny? I'm Latina (most people asume I'm white when I'm abroad, though) and like 75% of the fellows I have dated, are either white or black. I'm just WAY luckier with white fellas.

    My wife is Peruvian , such a beautiful lady both inside and out , Moy Hermosa !!

    Latina , best in the world ;)


    Stargate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭zyanya


    Stargate wrote: »
    My wife is Peruvian , such a beautiful lady both inside and out , Moy Hermosa !!

    Latina , best in the world ;)


    Stargate

    Thank you!

    And what great taste! The few Peruvians I've met are delightful to be with! ;)

    Can't see video from here :( will watch at home


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭zyanya


    Stargate wrote: »
    My wife is Peruvian , such a beautiful lady both inside and out , Moy Hermosa !!

    Latina , best in the world ;)


    Stargate

    Oh and how long have you been together?


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