WHERE TO LOCATE GUN SAFE IN TIMBER FRAME HOUSE??

elDiablo79

Hi just looking to see if anyone know info about the location of gun safes. im looking to get a .22lr cz 455 thumbhole but i live in a semi-D timber frame house i want to put the gun safe in my bedroom which is the side of the house attached to next door i will use screw bolts to screw it to the actual timber frame so it wont be too handy to remove. can i do this or does it have to be bolted to block wall which i dnt have. only other thing is concrete floor but that means in sitting room, toilet or kitchen none of which i want to use. any info would be big help. thanks.

jagged

You sure you don't have a block wall? It's a semi d?? I could be wrong but the wall between both houses should be a block wall????

elDiablo79

ye not 100% sure ill have to get the drill out and see haha. just cause its a timber frame house i didnt tink there would be a block wall.

juice1304

It needs to be to the block. tap on the wall to find where the batons are and cut a hole in the plasterboard and put it between them. You will want to insulate around it. I put some thin foam insulation on mine on the back and used expanding foam around the hole in the plasterboard.
I had the same problem as you did only i have two huge safes so i chopped a massive hole in the wall and trough the battons problem solved:eek:.:D:D
When you are putting it in put it in the corner of a room if possible so it makes it harder to pry open the door.

cavan shooter

Here is a very good document

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/police/operational-policing/firearms-handbook-2005/firearms-security-handbook?view=Binary

very useful too

what a day

If you have a plastered area on the front or rear exterior of your house chances are it has a block skin behind it. If you cannot find a solid wall to bolt to, id suggest getting some brackets made up by a weilder and bolt it to a main Joist.

cavan shooter

I have timber frame house and normally if its a dormer youve a chimney running through one of the rooms upstairs. Coach screws into a main member is very difficult to take out, additional fixings to the floor.

Tommy87

Does a timber frame house have a concrete floor downstairs?

cavan shooter

Tommy87 wrote: »

Does a timber frame house have a concrete floor downstairs?

Yes it's built off a concrete slab.

elDiablo79

Lads thanks for the replys. I think if i got good securing bolts and bolted into the timber frame the safe wont be going anywhere. Do you think i should just ask the gards where do they think i should secure the safe?

cavan shooter

elDiablo79 wrote: »

Lads thanks for the replys. I think if i got good securing bolts and bolted into the timber frame the safe wont be going anywhere. Do you think i should just ask the gards where do they think i should secure the safe?

I wouldn't unless you know one, unfortunately sometimes being very honest and seeking assistance sometimes back fires. Look at the link for the UK document its reasonable and straight forward.

Cass

You could explain the situation to your FO. It's the CPO that usually calls out to your house, and it's his/her decision that matters. The SI states;

Each firearm shall be stored securely in a gun safe which complies with BS 7558 and which shall be securely fixed to a solid structure.

So if they deem it okay you're fine. IF not then you need to adapt something to suit.

elDiablo79

cavan shooter wrote: »

I wouldn't unless you know one, unfortunately sometimes being very honest and seeking assistance sometimes back fires. Look at the link for the UK document its reasonable and straight forward.

Thanks
you think i could look up a irish doc with all the relevent info and not have to use a uk one although if we had a irish one it would prob be a copy of uk one anyway :-)

4200fps

Put it in the attic and bolt it to wall of the chimney?

tac foley

4200fps wrote: »

Put it in the attic and bolt it to wall of the chimney?

What's a chimney?

Only kidding, but it's a looooong time since I've seen one here in yUK, especially in a wood frame house.

tac

elDiablo79

tac foley wrote: »

What's a chimney?

Only kidding, but it's a looooong time since I've seen one here in yUK, especially in a wood frame house.

tac

Ye man no chimney i think im gona bolt it to the wall in bedroom to the timber frame and ill bolt it to the wood floor aswell. If they tell me its not good enough im ****ed.:-)

mrbrianj

elDiablo79 wrote: »

Ye man no chimney i think im gona bolt it to the wall in bedroom to the timber frame and ill bolt it to the wood floor aswell. If they tell me its not good enough im ****ed.:-)

In some TF semi d house the party wall can be thick gyproc plank board and another layer of plaster board over( 50mm plus 12.5mm iirc) ...solid structure? Maybe

cavan shooter

4200fps wrote: »

Put it in the attic and bolt it to wall of the chimney?

If the cabinet ends up in the attic, I would guess the gun rarely is put into the gun cabinet. Even the Guidance above states that consideration should also take into account the accessibility in relation to storage from a encourage storage point of view.

Again I accept that the Guidance on the net isn't IRISH however in the absence of any IRISH Guidance what have you got to argue a point see link

http://www.ipscnsw.org.au/Downloads/safe_storage_level_1_2.pdf

snipe02

bolt it to the floor under the stairs downstairs its also a bitch of a spot to have to rip it out fe#k all room could bolt it in and put a dummy floor around it so its flush not ideal but out of the way and secure

meathstevie

A solid structure doesn't necessarily mean concrete or brick. I personally have seen one or two setups of firearm owners who live in timber houses, not timber frame. Very good quality safes were used and they were very well anchored to the main structure of the buildings. I dare challenge anyone to remove or open those safes without the use of some serious cutting or sawing equipment within a timeframe any burglar worth his salt would deem acceptable.

eisenberg1

Just wondering how this panned out for OP?

I am currently facing similar dilemma. Semi D timber frame. I want to put the safe in the attic, but looks like the chimney breast the easy option. But not the best position. There is a dividing block wall, but it's covered by timber, insulation and drywall, probably 4/5 inches.

BattleCorp

eisenberg1 wrote: »

Just wondering how this panned out for OP?

I am currently facing similar dilemma. Semi D timber frame. I want to put the safe in the attic, but looks like the chimney breast the easy option. But not the best position. There is a dividing block wall, but it's covered by timber, insulation and drywall, probably 4/5 inches.

Your timber frame house will probably have a concrete floor. That's what I did in my timber frame house.

eisenberg1

BattleCorp wrote: »

Your timber frame house will probably have a concrete floor. That's what I did in my timber frame house.

Not in the attic.

BattleCorp

eisenberg1 wrote: »

Not in the attic.

Why does it have to be in the attic? The law says that the safe has to be fixed to a solid structure. It doesn't say that the solid structure has to be in the attic.

Yes, the attic is good but it isn't the only option.

eisenberg1

BattleCorp wrote: »

Why does it have to be in the attic? The law says that the safe has to be fixed to a solid structure. It doesn't say that the solid structure has to be in the attic.

Yes, the attic is good but it isn't the only option.

Ok, I know it doesn't have to be in the attic, but in my case, that's where it is limited to.

Thanks

BattleCorp

eisenberg1 wrote: »

Ok, I know it doesn't have to be in the attic, but in my case, that's where it is limited to.

Thanks

I'm guessing that "SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED" has insisted that it's not going in any of the rooms. :pac:


I had my safe in the attic bolted to the chimney breast but I found that the guns were going rusty. There was a lot of condensation build up inside the safe. I had to put in a dehumidifier box into the safe. It was a pain in the hole emptying it. In the end I just moved it.

eisenberg1

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm guessing that "SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED" has insisted that it's not going in any of the rooms. :pac:


I had my safe in the attic bolted to the chimney breast but I found that the guns were going rusty. There was a lot of condensation build up inside the safe. I had to put in a dehumidifier box into the safe. It was a pain in the hole emptying it. In the end I just moved it.

You are guessing correctly:D

I never thought about the condensation!, it gets bloody cold in that attic.

Cheers

clivej

New regulations allow timber houses without a block wall between the semi's

Your options are........

Get 4 big coach bolts I'd use 12mm by 100mm long and screw to a timber stud. The studs will be 40mm wide so use a stud finder to find them. A coach bolt is a screw with a hex head so you can use a spanner to screw them in. Drill a hole in the stud the size of the shank of the coach bolt.

IF you have block/brick outside walls the you can use them. Use an anchor fixing that has the wedge end and wings that open out. Drill through the plaster board, the 4" of glass fiber, the timber sheet of the frame, the cavity, into the outside block/brick. Take care not to drill to through the block/brick to the outside. Use a long threaded rod to fix the safe.