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The myth of Joe Hart

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  • #102
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Why cant he prove it in Scotland? Thats an utterly rubbish perception bandied about by people that dont watch the league they are criticising and/or cant judge a player unless he's in a league they watch.

    He has excelled in Scotland, certainly shown that he's capable of playing at higher level and he has performed very well in Europe over the past 2 seasons. If he hasnt proven it at all then its a case of you not watching the player and casting dispersions through ignorance than any actual insight.

    It's nothing to do with ignorance. It would be ignorant to say whether Forster has been good or not based on little first hand knowledge of the league that he is playing. But you are talking about proof and what Forster has done to prove that he's in the same league as Joe Hart.

    The Scottish Premier League is objectively a lower quality than the English Premier League. That is a fact borne-out by UEFA coefficients. The quality of player supplying crosses into his penalty area and peppering his goal with shots and headers is lower than is the case with Hart.

    You said that Forster has proven that he is on a similar level to Hart. I don't believe that that is the case. Maybe he is on that level but he certainly hasn't proved it.


  • #103
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    To say it for the 3rd time, I never argued that the SPL was at the same level of the EPL. I said that he has shown that he's capable of playing at higher level than the SPL and he's proven that by his performances in the Europa League & Champions League.

    Are you going to stand by your statement that he's not proven himself at all?!


  • #104
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    If you're going to continue to use the word "proven" then I don't see how I cannot. Playing in the SPL, woth a handful of European matches throw in doesn't prove anything. He may have suggested that he's capable of playing at a high level, he may be capable of being a top International but he hasn't proven anything.


  • #105
    Liam O
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,391 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    If you're going to continue to use the word "proven" then I don't see how I cannot. Playing in the SPL, woth a handful of European matches throw in doesn't prove anything. He may have suggested that he's capable of playing at a high level, he may be capable of being a top International but he hasn't proven anything.

    Judging a goalkeeper's ability to play a higher level is fairly easy compared to any other position, it's not like it entails much different skills to what he's displaying at Celtic.


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