Van Basten v Taison

Xavi6

Last week a lad scored for Metalist and the goal was instantly compared to Marco Van Basten's from Euro '88.

In fact, Van Basten himself thinks Taison's was better.

Can you split them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTCf8GPBGWE

Aenaes

Taison

Van Basten's was a more acute angle with a heavier ball.

Cienciano

Why compare? Sit back and enjoy both ffs

Taison for me. Hit the ball harder (ok, lighter ball, but ball moved faster) and not only did it dip, it swerved in and he was further out.

Aenaes

Taison

Cienciano wrote: »

Taison for me. Hit the ball harder (ok, lighter ball, but ball moved faster) and not only did it dip, it swerved in and he was further out.

It's 2012, the balls swerve if you sneeze at them :pac:

Actually, just looking at it again and to cross to Taison is more favourable too. It's slower and hangs longer in the air compared to the rocket Van Basten had to deal with.

NIMAN

2 flukes.:D

Pro. F

Taison

Van Basten was in line with the 6 yard line whereas Taison was further out so the angle was easier.
Van Basten had a defender about a yard in front of him trying to block the shot, Taison's is more like four yards away.
Van Basten had two more defenders on the six yard line at the near post cutting off the angle, Taison's one defender was two yards further out.
Van Basten had to run away from the goal a bit with his chest pointing more towards the corner flag when he was lining up the shot, whereas Taison was facing the goal as he was lining up his.
Van Basten was kicking a heavier ball.

Cienciano

Why compare? Sit back and enjoy both ffs

Pro. F wrote: »

Van Basten was in line with the 6 yard line whereas Taison was further out so the angle was easier.
Van Basten had a defender about a yard in front of him trying to block the shot, Taison's is more like four yards away.
Van Basten had two more defenders on the six yard line at the near post cutting off the angle, Taison's one defender was two yards further out.
Van Basten had to run away from the goal a bit with his chest pointing more towards the corner flag when he was lining up the shot, whereas Taison was facing the goal as he was lining up his.
Van Basten was kicking a heavier ball.

Think you're clutching at straws with them points!
Van Basten was wearing orange which caused him glare and made it harder to see the ball.
Ruud Guilit's dreads were waving around putting him off.
It was 1988, Van Basten was still thinking about Wimbledon winning the FA cup, he couldn't full concentrate on the game

NIMAN

Comparing goals on the internet is pointless. Its like arguing over music.

Its all subjective.

I think this goal is better, you think that one is better, and some other punter thinks the 2 aren't as good as some other goal.

Cienciano

Why compare? Sit back and enjoy both ffs

NIMAN wrote: »

Comparing goals on the internet is pointless. Its like arguing over music.

Its all subjective.

I think this goal is better, you think that one is better, and some other punter thinks the 2 aren't as good as some other goal.

Yeah, agree, but it's something to talk about.


Aenaes, take a look at that Van Basten goal again. "rocket" of a cross?

Aenaes

Taison

Cienciano wrote: »

Yeah, agree, but it's something to talk about.


Aenaes, take a look at that Van Basten goal again. "rocket" of a cross?

Yeah, sorry. It's a lot slower in the second video. It seemed a bit wild and to drop to Van Basten very fast near the end, perhaps because it goes out of view.

Pro. F

Taison

Cienciano wrote: »

Think you're clutching at straws with them points!
Van Basten was wearing orange which caused him glare and made it harder to see the ball.
Ruud Guilit's dreads were waving around putting him off.
It was 1988, Van Basten was still thinking about Wimbledon winning the FA cup, he couldn't full concentrate on the game

All of the points I mentioned would have an effect on how difficult the two shots were. How on earth would they not have an effect?

tvercetti

Taison

The importance of a goal is a big factor in judging the best goals. Thats why goals like Ramires vs Barca last season are as special as any and thats why i think Van Bastens is better.

Xavi6

Why compare? Sit back and enjoy both ffs

tvercetti wrote: »

The importance of a goal is a big factor in judging the best goals.

I don't think it's a big factor at all. At the moment the ball drops to your foot it doesn't matter whether you're in the World Cup Final or playing Sunday League. If you don't catch the ball right, have good technique, and use the right amount of power, the ball isn't going in.

Sure, it's nicer if it wins some major game but it's not *that* important when judging the actual quality of the finish.

tdv123

Taison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yu0rOfW6_E

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It doesn't matter what goal is "better". Van Basten's goal is a part of football lore at this stage, the Taison effort is never going to be.

Red Crow

Taison

One is done in a Euro Final the other is not. Van Basten by a country mile.

The_Kew_Tour

Lovely goal, but Van Basten for me too.

Dont get this it has be important game to be great goal opinion.

8-10

Zlatan

Dancor

Taison

Van Basten.

He almost had to deal with it coming over his shoulder and moving away from goal. The ball landed right on Taisons foot as he was going towards the goal, lovely volley and a great goal but not better than Van Bastens.

ThunbergsAreGo

Someone listens to Footbal Weekly

Cienciano

Why compare? Sit back and enjoy both ffs

Pro. F wrote: »

All of the points I mentioned would have an effect on how difficult the two shots were. How on earth would they not have an effect?

Your point about the 2 defenders on the 6 yard line making van bastens goal better!

fullstop

Cienciano wrote: »

Your point about the 2 defenders on the 6 yard line making van bastens goal better!

So you dismissed his whole post based on that even though the other points were valid?

EdenHazard

I thought the Inzaghi goal was gonna be some tap in from 3 yards :P Forgot about that goal.


Someone said the ball was blasted at Van Basted, same goal I'm looking at? The ball was in the air for ages! Taison's looks better, I don't know which is harder to execute, prob Van Bastens.

28064212

Pfft, what about the Irish version?

Jax Teller

Anyone think he was actually offside ? Looks pretty close to me

Dante

May not be as tight an angle but I'd take this over them two any day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqSMHc6aXqQ

Cienciano

Why compare? Sit back and enjoy both ffs

fullstop wrote: »

So you dismissed his whole post based on that even though the other points were valid?

Yes, this is a serious debate on what goal was better, I must address his points. I hate rollyeyes, don't make me use it.

SEPT 23 1989

Van Basten would have had a head full of acid with it being the Second summer of Love

el dude

One the most overrated goals in history anyway. Up there with Di Canio's scissor kick volley.

noodler

Xavi6 wrote: »

I don't think it's a big factor at all. At the moment the ball drops to your foot it doesn't matter whether you're in the World Cup Final or playing Sunday League. If you don't catch the ball right, have good technique, and use the right amount of power, the ball isn't going in.

Sure, it's nicer if it wins some major game but it's not *that* important when judging the actual quality of the finish.

I disagree.

In a tough games of serious importance (finals and so forth) I don't think you get as much opportunity for a start. The main point for me though is bottle, its takes an awful lot to try a shot like that in a big game whereas in a more (relatively) meaningless fixture you could take pot shots all day.

Richard Hillman

Totti is my favourite acute volley (his bad foot as well)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0GyYaI6DoU

Pro. F

Taison

Cienciano wrote: »

Your point about the 2 defenders on the 6 yard line making van bastens goal better!

Those two defenders were blocking van Basten's view of the goal, so he had less of the goal to aim at than Taison had.

EdenHazard

When the goal occurs and even who scored does add to how good its perceived IMO. There is loads of goals on youtube from like the swedish third division(for example) better than van bastens but obviously occurring in a major European final final adds to its prestige.

LuckyLloyd

Xavi6 wrote: »

I don't think it's a big factor at all. At the moment the ball drops to your foot it doesn't matter whether you're in the World Cup Final or playing Sunday League. If you don't catch the ball right, have good technique, and use the right amount of power, the ball isn't going in.

Sure, it's nicer if it wins some major game but it's not *that* important when judging the actual quality of the finish.

Pressure impacts upon one's ability to execute on the pitch and put their technical ability to use.