Garda accused of rape in station.

HeyThereDeliah

This is a Garda using his power to allegedly abuse and rape a vulnerable teenager who went to him for help. I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job.




http://www.herald.ie/news/garda-accused-of-rape-in-station-3295669.html

I edited to put in Allegedly.

Where To

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

This is a Garda using his power to abuse and rape a vulnerable teenager who went to him for help. I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job.




http://www.herald.ie/news/garda-accused-of-rape-in-station-3295669.html

If he is guilty I hope you mean.

questionmark?

Hold on a sec OP the important word in that article is "allegedly"

Zaph

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job.

Before this turns into a complete trainwreck, please remember that in this country there is the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty.

Witcher

Accused

You've clearly decided upon his guilt.

fasttalkerchat

Happened in 2010 but that article was written Friday... why hasn't it been seen before?

flutterflye

Oh my god - and the girl was seeking to report a sexual assault, and the prick of a guard that she went to to report it went and allegedly raped her :eek:
There are actually no words

kirving

Is the OP libellous from Boards.ie's perspective? He's innocent until proven guilty, and the OP claims otherwise.

fasttalkerchat

flutterflye wrote: »

Oh my god - and the girl was seeking to report a sexual assault, and the prick of a guard that she went to to report it went and raped her :eek:
There are actually no words

Easy... hasn't been found guilty! Just accused.

Zaph

flutterflye wrote: »

Oh my god - and the girl was seeking to report a sexual assault, and the prick of a guard that she went to to report it went and raped her :eek:
There are actually no words

Yes there are. The word is allegedly.

HeyThereDeliah

Where To wrote: »

If he is guilty I hope you mean.

"The garda has been suspended from duty, but is still on full pay. He has been ordered not to have contact with his alleged victim. Sources say that, even if the DPP decides not to press charges in the case, the garda will “most likely” be sacked from the force"

If he is guilty yes but can't see him keeping the job.

fasttalkerchat

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

"The garda has been suspended from duty, but is still on full pay. He has been ordered not to have contact with his alleged victim. Sources say that, even if the DPP decides not to press charges in the case, the garda will “most likely” be sacked from the force"

If he is guilty yes but can't see him keeping the job.

That line about losing his job regardless of the criminal case is strong. Does this mean he has admitted to consensual sex?

HeyThereDeliah

Zaph wrote: »

Before this turns into a complete trainwreck, please remember that in this country there is the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty.

I edited, should have put in allegedly in the beginning. I know innocent until proven guilty.

Mickey H

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

That line about losing his job regardless of the criminal case is strong. Does this mean he has admitted to consensual sex?

I doubt it tbh.

flutterflye

Zaph wrote: »

Yes there are. The word is allegedly.

There - edited :cool:

meoklmrk91

Certainly wouldn't surprise me as people who are sexually abusive often put themselves in positions of power in order to put themselves above the law, gardai, judges, priests, nuns etc.

If this is true then the poor girl must be in bits, having been assaulted to go to gardai, difficult enough for anyone only to be raped by the Garda, the thought makes me physically sick. Also at the end of the article it says that another file has been sent to the DPP alleging that another gardai raped a girl in muster, seriously hope this isn't the beginning of a much bigger story.

Sound Bite

Disgusting abuse of power if these allegations are true.

Savage under any circumstance but truely horrific when he was dealing with the first assult.

PizzamanIRL

Look at everybody jumping on board with the Garda just because of a word.

How many of these 'alleged' cases are ever found to be false?

If it's true, and more than likely is, i hope he gets tortured to death. She comes for help and gets that? Sick ****er.

allegedly

randylonghorn

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

How many of these 'alleged' cases are ever found to be false?

Generally the ones that no-one ever bothers to put in the papers.

"Garda did not rape anyone" doesn't make much of a headline.

That's not really the point though.

The point is that while this, if proven, is I agree a horrendous situation, everyone is entitled to be tried fairly and properly if accused of wrongdoing, not tried and convicted on the internet without a chance to speak in their own defense.

Cookie_Monster

Zaph wrote: »

Before this turns into a complete trainwreck, please remember that in this country there is the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty.

except for sexual offences where the guy will be tarred for life and viewed with suspicion regardless of the outcome.

endacl

flutterflye wrote: »

Oh my god - and the girl was seeking to report a sexual assault, and the prick of a guard that she went to to report it went and allegedly raped her :eek:
There are actually no words

Well........





......there is the word 'allegedly'......

poeticseraphim

OMG, Shocking if true.


It says there is a strong case against the individual.:-(

She was a teen victim of sex abuse:-(
Poor girl.

Do they not have psychological testing for profiling for Guards?

And would is leaving a male guard alone with a female teen sex abuse victim be very common? If so that is worrying. Would they not have some chaperone?? Or at least a female guard too??

Even with an honorable guard I would imagine that the victim would feel uncomfortable.


And we just gave over more power to the state on cases like this .

The story is alleged still of course...

In light of this I am deeply concerned over the result of the children's ref and i voted yes:-(

poeticseraphim

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

except for sexual offences where the guy will be tarred for life and viewed with suspicion regardless of the outcome.

His identity is undisclosed.

That would help him nationally if he were innocent.

I am uncertain about his locality and his identity being known there.

Perhaps it would have been best not to release the fact that this happened in Meath??

We all want a fair trial.


If he is innocent...it should be reported ...

If guilty...I do not want the judge that gave a man who failed to pay tax on garlic and gave an attempted rapist a fine anywhere near him.....

This is a serious case ..if he is guilty ..IF...IF ...then it poses some serious questions for the guards and the way we handle these cases with minors etc ...:(:(:(:(:(:(....:(horrible


ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY

Oranage2

Stories about the Gardai are becoming all too common, some reform needs to take place there is too much 'alleged' corruption going on. Some are a lwa upon themselves!

galwayrush

Must be a nightmare for his wife and kids.

Grayson

I genuinely think I don't have an opinion on this one. Strange that. I can generally muster up something. The whole article is a bit vague.

Er.. I hope justice gets done.

Why are independent news the only ones carrying this story? That seems odd to say the least.

Reloc8

So lets get this straight :-

1. If the allegation is true : that's horrendous and the criminal involved should be jailed for a very long time. My sympathies are with the victim at this terrible time. By the way all of the people in this thread looking to pursue their own [insert when known] agendas should be ashamed of themselves.

2. If the allegation is untrue : that's horrendous and the criminal involved should be jailed for a very long time. My sympathies are with the victim at this terrible time. By the way all of the people in this thread looking to pursue their own [insert when known] agendas should be ashamed of themselves.

Can somebody pm me to come back and edit this post whenever there has been a, what do you call it, 'investigation' followed by one of those 'criminal trial' thingummies during which a person has been found how do you say it again 'guilty or not guilty' ? That'd be awesome.

homerjay2005

my first instinct here is that this is a really poorly written article,its like it was written by a 12 year old. writing like this, could actually be a reason that the case could be thrown out, even if he is guilty.

however, on the crime itself, if found guilty then he should be f8cked into jail for 10+ years , this is an absolutely horrific case. i dont think anybody should cast jusgement however, until full details are out. the man wasnt charged yet a "source" expects them later.....very strange thing to write.

SEPT 23 1989

Do they ever go to jail?

Remmy

Well this guys life is never going to be the same again. Even if it was a mallicious rumour and he was proved innocent.

omahaid

Remmy wrote: »

Well this guys life is never going to be the same again. Even if it was a mallicious rumour and he was proved innocent.

I agree, look at the OP - "I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job". And this is before a trial!

JohnMarston

If these allegations turn out to be true, i would hope that a kicking from the force would be a start, thats a given

Remmy

omahaid wrote: »

I agree, look at the OP - "I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job". And this is before a trial!

Ah sure it's guilty until proven innocent or something like that right?

omahaid

Remmy wrote: »

Ah sure it's guilty until proven innocent or something like that right?

Depends on your gender I suspect.

Show Time

Martin Nolan wil just hit him with a fine.

Madam_X

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

This is a Garda using his power to allegedly abuse and rape a vulnerable teenager who went to him for help. I hope he is kicked from the force, he does not deserve to keep his job.
http://www.herald.ie/news/garda-accused-of-rape-in-station-3295669.html
I edited to put in Allegedly.

flutterflye wrote: »

Oh my god - and the girl was seeking to report a sexual assault, and the prick of a guard that she went to to report it went and allegedly raped her :eek:

Sticking "allegedly" in there doesn't change that it looks like you're saying it really happened.

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Look at everybody jumping on board with the Garda just because of a word.

How many of these 'alleged' cases are ever found to be false?

If it's true, and more than likely is, i hope he gets tortured to death. She comes for help and gets that? Sick ****er.

allegedly

F'ucking hell - "jumping on board with him because of a word" when we don't know that it actually happened? It's more than a word, it's the difference between it happening and not happening... and you know it. Nice of you to stick "allegedly" after your comment stating you're pretty much sure he did it. And putting spoiler tags around it too.

It's attitudes like the above that ruin an innocent person's life - shame on you. I'm so glad his name is not being disclosed. If it turns out he's guilty, I won't take a word of the above back. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that this could be a false accusation. It has happened. The fact such allegations are often true, doesn't change that. I'll never forget the heartbreaking sight of a man who worked as a teacher finally being exonerated after false accusations of sexual abuse, and bursting into tears on camera.

If this guy is guilty though, he deserves to go to a high security prison for a long time.
"Tortured to death" - ****ing lol.

HeyThereDeliah

Madam_X wrote: »

Sticking "allegedly" in there doesn't change that it looks like you're saying it really happened.

I know I should have put it there at the start and I apologise for my error. I would usually be the one defending a person accused until the facts were known.

There seems to be a strong case here and it's not often a member gets suspended unless there is some concern re allegations.

Jay D

well what do you know? A bandwagon as fúcking usual for this alleged crime. nothing proven yet but great to see the brain dead witch hunters in action yet again.

midlandsmissus

What really annoys me about these cases is the whole 'ALLEGEDLY', Its not proved, she just said it, it's not proven.

Of course it's not proven till it goes through courts, we all know that, but why the huge wave to shout over everything 'ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!!!!!'

If some-one came forward and said a person pick pocketed on them street, would everyone shout 'well thats what they said, it's ALLEGEDLY!!!!'.

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

flutterflye

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What really annoys me about these cases is the whole 'ALLEGEDLY', Its not proved, she just said it, it's not proven.

Of course it's not proven till it goes through courts, we all know that, but why the huge wave to shout over everything 'ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!!!!!'

If some-one came forward and said a person pick pocketed on them street, would everyone shout 'well thats what they said, it's ALLEGEDLY!!!!'.

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

I understand why the mods say it - fear of legal repercussions.
But I really don't understand everyone else.
In this case, I would give the girl the benefit of the doubt over the guard.

jaffacakesyum

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What really annoys me about these cases is the whole 'ALLEGEDLY', Its not proved, she just said it, it's not proven.

Of course it's not proven till it goes through courts, we all know that, but why the huge wave to shout over everything 'ALLEGEDLY!!!!!!!!!!'

If some-one came forward and said a person pick pocketed on them street, would everyone shout 'well thats what they said, it's ALLEGEDLY!!!!'.

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

Have to say I agree and I think it very much comes down to the gender of the individual.

A lot of men will instantly assume the accused is innocent and will defend their honour until proven guilty. When found guilty, some men will still deny it/question it/not want to believe it's true.

A lot of women will instantly assume the accused is guilty and want harsh or sadistic punishments.

Realistically, neither is right. It's not right to always defend accused rapists and sexual offenders as soon as you hear these cases. There's an attitude of desperately hoping the man isn't found guilty. There are cases of wrongly accused but they're in the minority. This is what a lot of people don't realise...they assume there's a witch hunt and everyones out to label people rapists. There are cases of false accusations and they make me sick and I think in those cases the "victim" should be punished. EDIT to clarify: On the other hand, it's not right to assume instantly without hearing any facts of the case that the accused is guilty.

I don't have any facts of this case so I cannot say this man is guilty and a horrible person and he should rot in hell etc.

However, if true, and I suspect it is, I hope he gets a proper sentencing. I suspect if found guilty he will get a suspended sentence.

midlandsmissus

Show Time wrote: »

Martin Nolan wil just hit him with a fine.

If this man is found guilty and given a fine, I will absolutely get out in protest. I don't want to live in a country where rape and sexual assault (something that destroys people's entire lives) is seen as so small. I absolutely don't want to live in that country.

smash

midlandsmissus wrote: »

And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes?

You mean like murder, paedophelia and more... Yea it's only rape that people use it. And maybe it's because a false accusation can destroy someone's life.

You're awful angry recently!

jaffacakesyum

smash wrote: »

You mean like murder, paedophelia and more... Yea it's only rape that people use it. And maybe it's because a false accusation can destroy someone's life.

You're awful angry recently!

How many times do you see posters on here shout "Allegedly!!" if a story is posted about tax evasion, assault, robbery, theft? In a lot(/?most) of threads relating to murder cases it's the same.

It only seems to be paedophile, sexual assault and rape that have 90% of posters crying allegedly and for want of a better phrase "taking the side of the accused"

midlandsmissus

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Have to say I agree and I think it very much comes down to the gender of the individual.

A lot of men will instantly assume the accused is innocent and will defend their honour until proven guilty. When found guilty, some men will still deny it/question it/not want to believe it's true.

A lot of women will instantly assume the accused is guilty and want harsh or sadistic punishments.

Realistically, neither is right. It's not right to always defend accused rapists and sexual offenders as soon as you hear these cases. There's an attitude of desperately hoping the man isn't found guilty. There are cases of wrongly accused but they're in the minority. This is what a lot of people don't realise...they assume there's a witch hunt and everyones out to label people rapists. There are cases of false accusations and they make me sick and I think in those cases the "victim" should be punished.

I don't have any facts of this case so I cannot say this man is guilty and a horrible person and he should rot in hell etc.

However, if true, and I suspect it is, I hope he gets a proper sentencing. I suspect if found guilty he will get a suspended sentence.

That's a great post with a good objective look at both genders. It's true, we do immediately empathise with our fellow gender in the story, I guess it's to try and look above that and look at the two as human beings, and as some-one said on the billion rising thread, rape done at all to anyone, - your fellow human being, is so sad to see. We are all human beings.

talla10

flutterflye wrote: »

I understand why the mods say it - fear of legal repercussions.
But I really don't understand everyone else.
In this case, I would give the girl the benefit of the doubt over the guard.

Without hearing a shred of evidence and just on reading one single newpaper report?????

Lets hope you are never allowed near a jury. The investigation is ongoing.

talla10

midlandsmissus wrote: »

If this man is found guilty and given a fine, I will absolutely get out in protest. I don't want to live in a country where rape and sexual assault (something that destroys people's entire lives) is seen as so small. I absolutely don't want to live in that country.

You already live there i'm afraid. So many offenders have been found guilty of sexual assaults that get small sentences or worse fines.

midlandsmissus

talla10 wrote: »

Without hearing a shred of evidence and just on reading one single newpaper report?????

Lets hope you are never allowed near a jury. The investigation is ongoing.

I think she's basing this on the fact that the majority of people, past and present, don't just come out with this story out of nowhere.

True he's not guilty until proven so, we all know that.

Rasheed

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Because generally why would people make it up? Why on earth? And why is it always with rape cases that people are so obsessed with the word allegedly and not with other crimes? People generally dont make up detailed stories of crimes about them up. Why would you do it?

I sometimes think people automatically would rather believe it didn't happen because it is too horrible that comprehend that it did.

Just think if that man was your brother/ husband/ friend. This isn't a run of the mill 'he stole my money' or 'he was done for drink driving'. Mud sticks and to be even accused of this, he will always be known as 'that' man.

We don't know the details of this case, god knows what happened, you or I certainly don't.

If it come out true, fair enough, he deserves everything he gets. But we have to wait and see.

talla10

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I think she's basing this on the fact that the majority of people don't just come out with this story out of nowhere.

Why would you. What has she got to gain.

I havent a clue but so many people do allege false sexual assaults. I've never understood why but it still happens. Not that all or even most of such allegations are false i just think its important to be aware that false allegations have been made on numerous occasions.