Request for YOUR feedback on Superthreads

ray jay

I don't see the point in a subforum unless a significant number of threads are being started on the topic consistently. The provincial/club threads tend to be quieter during the international windows so it's not like having all the threads in a single forum will result in too much churn.

durkadurka

I know this is slightly off topic but i Have to say I find Ireland threads to be quite depressing.

All the petty point scoring, sarky jabs ,and pure bloody hatred sometimes, is really off putting.

The targetting of heaslip, Murray, Doc, earls etc is just misery injecting.

Lots of posters on here practically sign off during Ireland season.

Fishooks12

durkadurka wrote: »

I know this is slightly off topic but i Have to say I find Ireland threads to be quite depressing.

All the petty point scoring, sarky jabs ,and pure bloody hatred sometimes, is really off putting.

The targetting of heaslip, Murray, Doc, earls etc is just misery injecting.

Lots of posters on here practically sign off during Ireland season.

I'd agree, sadly I often react to it when I should use the ignore function. Some of the subtle abuse directed at players really grates me.

Another pet peeve is calling Declan Kidney names like "Homer". The guy might not be the best coach in the world but that kind of thing is juvenile and insulting

durkadurka

What also pisses me off is I feel I can't say 'FFS ROG' or whatever for fear of being charged with incitement to hatred, despite the fact that I don't ever try to stir it up on here.

Grimebox

I say remove the superthreads entirely. I have no idea what I'm reading half the time I join them. If you have a specific argument to bring up regarding anything rugby related, start a new thread. At least there will be some context to what I'm reading straight away. I don't even bother with the majority of the super threads any more. I feel almost any thread started that isn't a super thread or a match day thread either gets locked or merged, what's the point of that? Is the traffic here that busy that we have to do that?

Ciaran-Irl

Trojan wrote: »

Hi Rugby folks,

We got the following feedback and we think Ciaran has a point:



Some people hate the "superthreads". And some people think superthreads make the forum EASIER to navigate as you often have tons of threads that are irrelevant to many forum users, and a thread you are interested in could end up on page 3 in less than an hour after the last post.

We can eventually put a question to a poll, but before we do that we'd like to have some comments and suggestions on both side of the argument. Is there a middle ground, ie a limitation to amount of these superthreads? Or should we just encourage posters to start up new threads for every topic?

-The Rugby mods (and an interested admin)

Never let it be said that the moderators don't listen to feedback! Thanks. Very much appreciated.

My two cents: I don't have time to sift through hundreds of pages when I get a chance to log on, and I get more than enough email already without needing to deal with mountains of them coming in from Boards. I'd much prefer it if specific topics were split out into their own threads. I mean, the Lions super thread is approaching 100 pages already. Lord only knows what it will look like in June.

I feel like interesting topics of debate get lost in the general quagmire of certain types discussions (ROG, Kidney, provincial favouritism etc.) It feels like interesting topics get a bit derailed. If you don't want to read about ROG vs Sexton/whoever, then you can just avoid that thread. Simple. You might want to follow a thread about the pros and cons of the 3 year residency rule, or you might be interested in the debate on youth over experience, or in a discussion about how the Irish team is afflicted by particular types of injuries etc.

Maybe a sub forum for Ireland would work well (would an 'International' forum be better?). It might just be easier to have a series of threads on the different areas.

Thanks again though.

Dravokivich

I think you could end up moving more traffic off from the main part of this Rugby forum if their was to be sub forums branched off. Instead of having a mega thread for Aviva / Top14, should we have a seperate subforum for them too? I don't think there'll be a need for something as drastic as that.

If trials are to be done on what volume we've got, could it be better to try and branch off the main mega threads,in a similar fashion to match day threads being split. Have a seperate thread for incoming/outgoing players, be it injury/fitness or what have ya per mega thread. Possbily 1 for Ireland predominantly, but also for the Provinces?

I suspect this could be the main bulk of the news people would look for, that'll end up getting lost in the mega threads.

As it is now. All we are saying is there's a lot of posts in the mega threads, but not of what type and whether or not there's enough variation in the topics within those mega threads to warrant a sub forum.

If it doesn't work, posts can be merged back into the mega threads easy enough. But I've seen issues before with moving around between different sub forums on boards.

roycon

you could nearly have a separate thread for each position in the lions 15 in a separate lions sub forum at this stage and a similar thing with the ireland 15.

the main thing i think most people cant stand is the fact that there is no discussion or information shared on the ireland thread - just continuous baseless opinions which nobody reads including the posters themselves.

i would love if we had some private ireland match day thread because i always want to post or read posts or share views but there is no point

Dravokivich

roycon wrote: »

you could nearly have a separate thread for each position in the lions 15 in a separate lions sub forum at this stage and a similar thing with the ireland 15.

the main thing i think most people cant stand is the fact that there is no discussion or information shared on the ireland thread - just continuous baseless opinions which nobody reads including the posters themselves.

i would love if we had some private ireland match day thread because i always want to post or read posts or share views but there is no point

If that's the main issue that stand's out, can we not call for more action from the mods under such circumstances by reporting posts that interupt the flow of the thread? Work is needed on the problem, instead of moving stuff elsewhere so it isn't seen.

raymann

theres almost a full front page of super threads that knock any new threads of the front very quickly before they get a chance to develop.

why not have a separate board for the superthreads and then we get a normal board with loads of smaller topics for discussion emerging. if the mods thing they are unnecessary then they can just move them over and join them with the super threads.

19543261

raymann wrote: »

theres almost a full front page of super threads that knock any new threads of the front very quickly before they get a chance to develop.

why not have a separate board for the superthreads and then we get a normal board with loads of smaller topics for discussion emerging. if the mods thing they are unnecessary then they can just move them over and join them with the super threads.

I feel this might stretch the discussion too thin.

It could split the forum between the more regular posters/community and those who dont find they have the time - I dont think there are enough contributors here for that to work out; you'd have threads popping up of topics already run into the ground.

I see sense in keeping the provincial superthreads, like everyone is saying, its when the traffic picks up that there's a problem. Each page cant facilitate what everyone wants to say, and when the page is full, the posts are effectively lost.

.ak

Dravokivich wrote: »

If that's the main issue that stand's out, can we not call for more action from the mods under such circumstances by reporting posts that interupt the flow of the thread? Work is needed on the problem, instead of moving stuff elsewhere so it isn't seen.

The problem is people are entitled to voice their opinions, and we can't moderate that. How do we draw a line in the sand, what constitutes as 'interrupting the flow'? I know exactly the type of post you mean, however if we moderate those posts we can receive a backlash from posters and we wouldn't have much ground to stand on when dealing with it.

CatFromHue

I think it works fairly well all ready to be honest.

Is there any rule that stops a poster starting a thread on "Michael Bent for Ireland?" for example?

Dravokivich

.ak wrote: »

The problem is people are entitled to voice their opinions, and we can't moderate that. How do we draw a line in the sand, what constitutes as 'interrupting the flow'? I know exactly the type of post you mean, however if we moderate those posts we can receive a backlash from posters and we wouldn't have much ground to stand on when dealing with it.

I get that. It will always be difficult to moderate on perception and can be understandable when discussion get passionate/heated.

My response was solely as a counterpoint to the other guy, not so much a call for more stringent moderation. It doesn't make sense for me to separate out, for the sake of avoiding discussion that can be troublesome and not worth reading through. If discussion goes down that path I just feel it's better for the forum that it'll dealt with, as opposed let stir and discussion moves on elsewhere to keep away from it.

That's all the response was intended to put forward. It's the last thing any forum needs tbh.

.ak

CatFromHue wrote: »

I think it works fairly well all ready to be honest.

Is there any rule that stops a poster starting a thread on "Michael Bent for Ireland?" for example?

Oddly enough the super threads are community based, by that I mean we do not moderate anything, we don't move any threads back into super threads or visa versa. The situation is purely organic.

justsomebloke

CatFromHue wrote: »

Is there any rule that stops a poster starting a thread on "Michael Bent for Ireland?" for example?

Truthfully if it is 'do people think Michael Bent's forum is good enough to warrant going straight into the squad?' then the Ireland thread is probably your best bet.

If the question is a more rounder 'do people think we should be bringing in a player who only qualifies via the grand parent rule and putting him straight into the squad without any game time here?' then that should be put in a seperate thread. I think the questions Ciaran-Irl asked would also benefit from being in seperate threads

Ciaran-irl wrote:

You might want to follow a thread about the pros and cons of the 3 year residency rule, or you might be interested in the debate on youth over experience, or in a discussion about how the Irish team is afflicted by particular types of injuries etc.

Gracelessly Tom

justsomebloke wrote: »

Truthfully if it is 'do people think Michael Bent's forum is good enough to warrant going straight into the squad?' then the Ireland thread is probably your best bet.

If the question is a more rounder 'do people think we should be bringing in a player who only qualifies via the grand parent rule and putting him straight into the squad without any game time here?' then that should be put in a seperate thread. I think the questions Ciaran-Irl asked would also benefit from being in seperate threads

I see what you did there.....

Teferi

I think an Ireland subforum would be good. Easier to moderate the seagulls.

No need for an International subforum as threads about other teams/games Ireland aren't involved in tend to have the more moderate and knowledgeable posters in them.

danthefan

The last thing the board needs is harsher moderation imo.

eyeball kid

Like a lot of other posters here, I also like the Provincial Superthreads. Pretty easy to read and generally very informative.

The same however can't be said about the Ireland superthread at the moment. There's pages and pages of bickering and arguments. Most of it isn't fun or interesting to read. Any decent points seem to get lost in the noise.

An Ireland subforum could be an answer. I think it would be interesting to trial it and see how it goes during the 6 nations. Outside of International windows I'd imagine it would be pretty quiet though.

Podge_irl

I don't mind the superthreads, but I imagine that's because I'm a fairly heavy user and can keep track of them. The odd time I'm not on for a couple days I do have a habit of skipping a lot of pages in them - I'm just not going to wade through 20 pages of variable content. They're a good resource for regular, heavy users but offputting and slightly unhelpful for occasional users I think.

Not really sure what the ideal solution is. I think the provincial subthreads work fine. The Ireland thread is a mess and the AI superthread is too generic - there is 5 different conversations going on at once in it.

Tox56

You could have an international sub-forum where there are superthreads for countries like France, England, Wales etc. and all the other threads Ireland related

EDIT: Just realised that's already been suggested..

Gracelessly Tom

I'd lean toward an Ireland sub forum as opposed to an international sub forum.

I love the provincial superthreads, very easy to follow.

conf101

How about an Ireland & International Rugby sub forum and a Club/Provincial one.

Someone mentioned the Lions Superthread earlier. I think, come next Summer, that has the potential to be as bad as the Ireland thread. If all Lions chat was in the International forum it could solve that problem.

Higher

Don't bother with a sub-forum, its not THAT busy.

Just stop merging everything into the Ireland super thread. That's the only complaint I have. I reckon comments on Declan Kidney, comments on team selections and match analysis should be in separate threads. Could we not just keep the Ireland superthread to discussion on things like injuries, call ups, upcoming fixtures, seedings etc.

PhatPiggins

Is the 'Request for YOUR feedback on Superthreads' thread becoming a superthread

RuggieBear

Request for feedback on superthreads not moderation. Start a thread in feedback if you wish to discuss moderation