Spectre (Bond 24)

Nerdlingr

And Monica Bellucci ! :pac::p:pac:

FunLover18

ricero wrote: »

new bond movie called spectre

absolute fantastic cast

Well, that's underwhelming. Obviously I'll hold off judgement but the return of SPECTRE and (possibly) Blofeld + what Mendes and Craig did with Skyfall I fear the return of Moore-esque shenanigans (yes I know Mooore's Bond never battles SPECTRE but you know what I mean).

Is it 'SPECTRE' or 'Spectre'?

FunLover18

I prefer this title card

dastardly00

Characters...

Christoph Waltz as Oberhauser
Léa Seydoux as Madeleine Swann
Monica Bellucci as Lucia Sciarra
David Bautista as Mr Hinx
Andrew Scott as Denbigh
Ralph Fiennes as M

FunLover18

dastardly00 wrote: »

Characters...

Christoph Waltz as Oberhauser
Léa Seydoux as Madeleine Swann
Monica Bellucci as Lucia Sciarra
David Bautista as Mr Hinx
Andrew Scott as Denbigh
Ralph Fiennes as M

Oberhauser? imdb has it as 'Spectre' so hopefully it's just a nod without bringing back the ridiculous acronym and they'll return to Quantum.

HankScorpio1985

Yep. I hope they don't totally just get rid of Quantum.

BuilderPlumber

FunLover18 wrote: »

Well, that's underwhelming. Obviously I'll hold off judgement but the return of SPECTRE and (possibly) Blofeld + what Mendes and Craig did with Skyfall I fear the return of Moore-esque shenanigans (yes I know Mooore's Bond never battles SPECTRE but you know what I mean).

Is it 'SPECTRE' or 'Spectre'?

I think that while he didn't do battle with Blofeld, Moore's Bond did battle with Stromberg in The Spy Who Loved Me. Stromberg was of course not into extortion (he was much madder than this and not motivated by money like Blofeld) but otherwise he and his organisation felt like a Blofeld operation akin to You only live twice.

loyatemu

DC will be 47 filming this next year, assuming a 3 year gap to the follow up, he'll be 50 for that one. Presumably that'll be it for him?

dastardly00

The new Aston Martin DB10

BuilderPlumber

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Brosnan's movies got progressively worse. GoldenEye is one of my favorites. Tomorrow Never Dies had some decent elements (Michelle Yeoh's character, media magnate creating news, Dr Kaufman scene). The World Is Not Enough was very messy and Die Another Day wasn't even watchable.

I think Brosnan was very unlucky with the scripts he had to work with. He is a very capable actor but the poor writing has tainted his era as Bond. I think he would have excelled with more realistic and gritty movies. Also Quantum of Nonsense had all the hallmarks of a bad Brosnan movie.

Exactly. I think the same. Pierce Brosnan is a good actor and was a good Bond but he was unlucky with the scripts and in an era when it was confused what to do with Bond. His first 2 we agree way better than his last 2.

Quantum of Solace certainly veered in this direction too. Not as good as Casino Royale by a mile but a good action film. The non-stop action hid the irrelevant plot (which was James Bond v Irish Water to all intents and purposes!!) and the promising start of Quantum being everywhere with the power to infiltrate anywhere was not at all explored. It was a short, action packed film that was very entertaining but with little substance storywise.

Greyjoy

Very pleased with the casting of Waltz & Bellucci. But i can't help feeling that Stuart Heritage from the Guardian (who was live-blogging the reveal ) might be correct in his prediction : "Bellucci will be the Bond girl who gets killed early on because god knows the last thing that any Bond film wants is an age-appropriate love interest for 007".

BuilderPlumber

eviltimeban wrote: »

Getting back to speculation, I wonder will they announce that this will be a two-parter? That's the rumour anyway. PLUS, I reckon they'll end part one on a cliff hanger - that'd be pretty good.

Imagine if a Bond film was to end like the last episode of Love/Hate season 5?? We are left wondering who is dead or alive.

FunLover18

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Quantum of Solace certainly veered in this direction too. Not as good as Casino Royale by a mile but a good action film. The non-stop action hid the irrelevant plot (which was James Bond v Irish Water to all intents and purposes!!) and the promising start of Quantum being everywhere with the power to infiltrate anywhere was not at all explored. It was a short, action packed film that was very entertaining but with little substance storywise.

I've always seen this as the main thrust to QoS. It was both a conclusion to Bond's emotional arc started in CR and a tease for Quantum. The water thing was just something to keep it going and it was the tip of the iceberg as to what Quantum are actually capable of. I really hope they we see more of them.

Re the new Aston Martin, I don't like. Probably seems like I'm being very negative today but it looks very feminine.

FunLover18

Full story at Empire including plot synopsis

A cryptic message from Bond’s past sends him on a trail to uncover a sinister organisation. While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE.

cloud493

FunLover18 wrote: »

Full story at Empire including plot synopsis

So they're continuing the theme from skyfall? Sweet.

pixelburp

If I'm honest, I'm most curious as to how much money the production gets through the inevitable product placement, which in some ways has defined the latterday Bond franchise. Bond films? New aspirational products. It sometimes feels hard to separate the film from the marketing.

Interesting to see the return of SPECTRE though, and it does suggest the films are going to return to a more traditional format.

FunLover18

I owe an apology to Mr Craig, it would appear his favourite Bond is Connery, NOT Moore.

SimonTemplar

If SPECTRE is returning, I'd love for Christoph Walz's character to be Blofeld. He has buckets of screen presence to pull it off.

dastardly00

Here is the first teaser poster......



Notice how there appears to be 8 main cracks emerging down from the bullet hole .... it kind of looks like a symbol of an octopus ..... now where have we seen that before .....

Smiles35

HankScorpio1985 wrote: »

Yep. I hope they don't totally just get rid of Quantum.

Quantum? The water scheme people? meh. Spectre allways went bigger.

Sofiztikated

Noblong wrote: »

Quantum? The water scheme people? meh. Spectre allways went bigger.

You mean Quantum is Irish Water!!111!1!one!eleventyone!!

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

Iranoutofideas

Waltz had to be playing Blofeld. They just require the rights and then announce the new movie is called Spectre.

Its a no brainer.

I can't wait

HankScorpio1985

Yep. The water scheme people. The same people who had infiltrated MI6 and whose members include various high profile politicians and terrorists around the world. Sound like small fry to me alright.

ricero

dastardly00 wrote: »

Here is the first teaser poster......



Notice how there appears to be 8 main cracks emerging down from the bullet hole .... it kind of looks like a symbol of an octopus ..... now where have we seen that before .....

Mr. Bigglesworth :pac:

the_monkey

*yawn* .... still flogging a dead horse ....


with the cold war raging on and on this should be a hit.

lukin

Lea Seydoux didn't look anywhere near as sexy in the press conference as she did in Mission Impossible 4.If you google it you will see what I mean.She must have disimproved a lot or else it's the makeup.

Smiles35

HankScorpio1985 wrote: »

Yep. The water scheme people. The same people who had infiltrated MI6 and whose members include various high profile politicians and terrorists around the world. Sound like small fry to me alright.

Ok. They did that well. But.. they still got fleeced on the money sucking ponzi scheme and I bet one man was behind it all.

martingriff

cloud493 wrote: »

So they're continuing the theme from skyfall? Sweet.

Well it seems only natural when they started with the reboot of sorts in Skyfall

eviltimeban

FunLover18 wrote: »

what Mendes and Craig did with Skyfall I fear the return of Moore-esque shenanigans

Skyfall was hardly comparable to a Moore Bond movie. It was still pretty gritty. There were no safari suits.

ShooterSF

Two of my all time favourite baddies in one Bond movie. Cannot wait!

BuilderPlumber

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You mean Quantum is Irish Water!!111!1!one!eleventyone!!

I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

Quantum relocated to Ireland in 2009 and then became Irish Water later on

BuilderPlumber

Iranoutofideas wrote: »

Waltz had to be playing Blofeld. They just require the rights and then announce the new movie is called Spectre.

Its a no brainer.

I can't wait

I'd assume this film will feature Blofeld who will go by the name Oberhausen for disguise. This smacks of OHMSS of course where Blofeld used another name. This will be a good film I'd say but have a feeling it may be a sort of a remake of OHMSS??

What form will an organisation like SPECTRE (al Qaeda/ISIS in the real world?) take? Quantum in the previous films stayed completely neutral of country so too will this I'd say although it will prob hint strongly at being al Qaeda/ISIS sans being associated with any one country or religion. John Gardner's 1980s novels Role of Honour and Nobody Lives Forever had an 'Islamic' fundamentalist leader of SPECTRE of course (a Tamil Rahani). But this will not be the style of the films ever. SPECTRE was actually originally invented to apoliticise the books by Ian Fleming (SMERSH were a Soviet Stalinist organisation that became less fashionable once the cold war began to thaw).

FunLover18

eviltimeban wrote:

Skyfall was hardly comparable to a Moore Bond movie. It was still pretty gritty. There were no safari suits. 

Yeh I was definitely being harsh. But I wasn't happy with the direction taken in Skyfall. Hopefully all the nods and winks were a one off for the anniversary.

Mister Jingles

It baffles me that somehow Irish Water has been mentioned in this thread.

eviltimeban

Mister Jingles wrote: »

It baffles me that somehow Irish Water has been mentioned in this thread.

There's always someone. :rolleyes:

eviltimeban

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

What form will an organisation like SPECTRE (al Qaeda/ISIS in the real world?) take?

It might be internal - it might be based in England. As per the synopsis, "While M battles political forces to keep the secret service alive, Bond peels back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth behind SPECTRE".

So it could be some hidden organisation that exists within the secret service. Even if it is that, we know he has to do a bit of skiiing to get there.

Actually I like the idea of a journey that sends him around the world and then back to England - though this would be very similar to the arc in Skyfall. But one of my favourite things about Skyfall was the London setting.

Dayum

I like Daniel Craig and I enjoyed his interpretation of Bond except for QoS...

But with that being said, I agree with Quentin Tarantino in that the direction the franchise has gone may not be the right one for the future. James Bond in Flemings eyes was no superhuman that Hollywood have continually portrayed starting with Brosnan. Brosnan's Bond was cringeworhy. I'm glad they toned that down with Craig but as Tarantino stated Bond is supposed to be a period drama piece with thriller elements - not a full blown all-out action movie that wouldn't look out of place in a Michael Bay production.

I love Christoph Waltz and I know he's going to save this movie. The man could sit, ramble about paint drying and still have you on the edge of your seat. His role as the Nazi in Inglorious Bastards was a cruel, evil f*cker but he developed such an eccentric character you couldn't help but like him.

If I was Eon I'd give the Bond franchise to Tarantino and his cinematographers for the reboot. Break new ground by having a black 007 - Denzel Washington or someone with Michael Fassbender, Liam Neeson or Benedict Cumberbatch as the villain.

bigar

The title, actors and character descriptions make me hopeful that we will finally get a proper bond movie again:
- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

The people behind the scenes, however, make me less hopeful: the writers of the last 5 (non) Bond movies and a director who cannot make a proper action movie if his life depended on it.

HankScorpio1985

Noblong wrote: »

Ok. They did that well. But.. they still got fleeced on the money sucking ponzi scheme and I bet one man was behind it all.

They didn't get fleeced. Bond killed Greene and Medrano was killed so there was no coup in Bolivia I imagine. Although we have no idea how it played out there after QoS. Mr. White is still at large and we have no idea who is behind it all as you say.

eviltimeban

bigar wrote: »

The title, actors and character descriptions make me hopeful that we will finally get a proper bond movie again:
- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

That's exactly what I don't want.

Skylinehead

Dayum wrote: »

If I was Eon I'd give the Bond franchise to Tarantino and his cinematographers for the reboot. Break new ground by having a black 007 - Denzel Washington or someone with Michael Fassbender, Liam Neeson or Benedict Cumberbatch as the villain.

Denzel Washington? He's American! Utterly awful choice. I'd be much more onboard with someone like Idris Elba.

FunLover18

bigar wrote: »

The title, actors and character descriptions make me hopeful that we will finally get a proper bond movie again:
- The billionaire in a secret laird who wants to take over the world
- The Henchman with a nice novel way of killing people
- The gadgets
- The one liners
- “Now pay attention 007”
- The car with a lot of extras

The people behind the scenes, however, make me less hopeful: the writers of the last 5 (non) Bond movies and a director who cannot make a proper action movie if his life depended on it.

Skyfall ticked nearly everyone of those boxes

eviltimeban wrote: »

That's exactly what I don't want.

+1

indough

I can't understand how anyone would actually want that ****e old bond formula back

HankScorpio1985

indough wrote: »

I can't understand how anyone would actually want that ****e old bond formula back

You mean the ****e old bond formula of the Connery films that were very similar in style to Fleming's books?

eviltimeban

FunLover18 wrote: »

Skyfall ticked nearly everyone of those boxes
+1

Well, not quite. We don't know if Silva was a billionaire; sure he had a lair on an island but he didn't want to take over the world - he just wanted to kill M. What he did as part of his hacking network was under the radar, so to speak.

About the only thing was the one-liners - but even they were subtle.

indough

HankScorpio1985 wrote: »

You mean the ****e old bond formula of the Connery films that were very similar in style to Fleming's books?

yes, they are also mostly ****e compared to the new films

eviltimeban

HankScorpio1985 wrote: »

You mean the ****e old bond formula of the Connery films that were very similar in style to Fleming's books?

No I think he means the list posted above, with the usual tropes rolled out - the henchmen, the lair, the gadgets etc.

Fleming's Bond was one thing but does Bond have to stick to that formula? Can't he move on? Otherwise it would be set in the 60s and have Bond smoking his specially-made cigarettes and getting his suits in Savile Row.

Dayum

Skylinehead wrote: »

Denzel Washington? He's American! Utterly awful choice. I'd be much more onboard with someone like Idris Elba.

Yeah, I was going to say him but decided to type "someone". Washington was tweeting how he'd love to be Bond a few weeks ago so I thought I'd throw that out there.

Dayum

indough wrote: »

I can't understand how anyone would actually want that ****e old bond formula back

What ****e old Bond formula? That ****e old Bond formula is Ian Flemmings Bond.

What they've done equates getting Michael Bay to direct an episode of Downton Abbey.

indough

Dayum wrote: »

What ****e old Bond formula? That ****e old Bond formula is Ian Flemmings Bond.

What they've done equates getting Michael Bay to direct an episode of Downton Abbey.

And if Michael Bay's version of Downton Abbey is better then you stick with it. Staying loyal to the source material means **** all, all that matters is making the better film