Comic --> TV compare/Contrast thread/speculation ** for comic readers only **

mrkiscool2

They showed Jessie loading her gun before leaving down the stairs. Jessie is the one who shots Carl in the comics so due to that, I'd fully expect it to be the same because of that foreshadowing.

The Talking Bread

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

They showed Jessie loading her gun before leaving down the stairs. Jessie is the one who shots Carl in the comics so due to that, I'd fully expect it to be the same because of that foreshadowing.

eh, no she isn't?? not sure how you came to that conclusion. It was Douglas who shot him as he was being killed by accident.

Turtyturd

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

They showed Jessie loading her gun before leaving down the stairs. Jessie is the one who shots Carl in the comics so due to that, I'd fully expect it to be the same because of that foreshadowing.

It was man Deeana who did it, but I think you're right about why Jessie was shown loading the gun.

Hyzepher

The "speculation" regarding Negan and his "protection" racket in the episode threads is getting ridiculous. How would you know this without having read the comics?

Keplar240B

Hyzepher wrote: »

The "speculation" regarding Negan and his "protection" racket in the episode threads is getting ridiculous. How would you know this without having read the books?

Ya , even in Mainstream media the whole thing is being spoiled in numerous articles with little or no "spoiler alerts" panels of Glens death including in several.

thegreengoblin

Thought they handled the Jessie/Sam/Ron death scene very well. I think this has been the closest I've felt to watching the show as if it was the comic. All the way to the superfast cut of them all hacking away at the walkers.

But what are we to make of Glenn nearly getting killed again? Is it going to be a case of third time very unlucky when it comes to the season finale? I'm pretty sure it is if these quotes are anything to go by from Andrew Lincoln...

“I felt sick to my stomach when I read the script. It was the first day in the whole six years of working on The Walking Dead that I was late for work because I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn’t get back to sleep. I was so angry and frustrated and I felt sick. And that was just after reading it.”

Lauren Cohan talks about it also. It won't be long now!

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/10/this-weeks-cover-walking-dead

Liam McPoyle

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Thought they handled the Jessie/Sam/Ron death scene very well. I think this has been the closest I've felt to watching the show as if it was the comic. All the way to the superfast cut of them all hacking away at the walkers.

But what are we to make of Glenn nearly getting killed again? Is it going to be a case of third time very unlucky when it comes to the season finale? I'm pretty sure it is if these quotes are anything to go by from Andrew Lincoln...

“I felt sick to my stomach when I read the script. It was the first day in the whole six years of working on The Walking Dead that I was late for work because I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn’t get back to sleep. I was so angry and frustrated and I felt sick. And that was just after reading it.”

Lauren Cohan talks about it also. It won't be long now!

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/10/this-weeks-cover-walking-dead

Its to keep him in the viewers consciousness, people will invest in him, he fought his way back to his wife, he is a decent human being despite everything and on top of that he is going to be a first time dad, then he meets Lucille, I cannot wait!

maximoose

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Thought they handled the Jessie/Sam/Ron death scene very well. I think this has been the closest I've felt to watching the show as if it was the comic. All the way to the superfast cut of them all hacking away at the walkers.

I didn't really like how they handled Jessie, maybe I'm remembering it wrong as it has been a while but I thought in the show it was clear she was a definite gonner and it wasn't a tough decision for Rick to make the chop - compared to the comic where she was still crying for help.

I did love the "Dad?" moment though!

That was a hell of an episode, really enjoyed it.

Danjamin1

maximoose wrote: »

I didn't really like how they handled Jessie, maybe I'm remembering it wrong as it has been a while but I thought in the show it was clear she was a definite gonner and it wasn't a tough decision for Rick to make the chop - compared to the comic where she was still crying for help.

I did love the "Dad?" moment though!

That was a hell of an episode, really enjoyed it.

Haven't watched it yet, I've got it recorded for later but I read the synopsis, couldn't help myself! That moment for Rick in the comic was one of my favourite, really emphasised the change to his character!!

The Talking Bread

So I'm guessing Sasha is Holly in the comic and het and Abraham have an affair, Rosita leaves, shacks up with Eugene. In the comic Morgan and Michonne have a thing but he dies in No Way Out (essentially Deannas death ) so I imagine Rick and Michonne are perhaps being lined up as the Andrea and Rick of tv.

All very soapy but sex happens even in a zombie apocalypse!

You can see them really going down comic route now. Plenty of material and it's hard to know how many more seasons Andrew Lincoln or a few of the others would commit to so lots to fit in. No doubt they will probably have another spinoff if/when the show ends.

5starpool

If Abraham dies at roughly the same time as in the comics it should happen in the next few episodes. I always thought he died cheaply in the comics though if I remember rightly. Jesus should make an appearance in either episode 10 or 11 I reckon, and the Glenn scene has to happen at the end of episode 16. I hope they don't leave it as a cliffhanger though as given it is the scene everyone is waiting for, it is bound to get spoiled for a lot of non comic book readers over the course of the off season of the show.

I really hope they leave the bloody tiger out of it though, whatever about having Ezekial himself included at some point. That is all next season though.

The Talking Bread

5starpool wrote: »

If Abraham dies at roughly the same time as in the comics it should happen in the next few episodes. I always thought he died cheaply in the comics though if I remember rightly. Jesus should make an appearance in either episode 10 or 11 I reckon, and the Glenn scene has to happen at the end of episode 16. I hope they don't leave it as a cliffhanger though as given it is the scene everyone is waiting for, it is bound to get spoiled for a lot of non comic book readers over the course of the off season of the show.

I really hope they leave the bloody tiger out of it though, whatever about having Ezekial himself included at some point. That is all next season though.

tiger stuff was ridiculous. hope it doesn't come to pass. Perhaps a wolf would be a realistic and cool alternative. We dont see enough animals in the show, horses etc.

Kirkman did say this though..

Well, Robert Kirkman, writer and creator of The Walking Dead, believes it is not only possible, but probable! "There's a guy who has a tiger for a pet in the comic named Ezekiel who's really cool," Kirkman started. "I always say that I never let the show influence what I'm doing in the comic. But I will say, when I was writing those characters in the comic, I was like, 'Yeah, good luck doing this, show people!' I think that we'll be able to do the tiger. We'll see."

Re Abrahams death, I can see Morgan taking his place. It was a landmark event in that it really kicked off a lot of stuff between Neagan's group and Alexandria. But Abraham is becoming a good show character whilst fans are tiring of Morgan and in the comics Morgan dies during Mid Season finale

Heres the comic edition of Abe's death if you want to see it again

http://viewcomic.com/the-walking-dead-098/

suffering golfer

The Talking Bread wrote: »

So I'm guessing Sasha is Holly in the comic and het and Abraham have an affair, Rosita leaves, shacks up with Eugene. In the comic Morgan and Michonne have a thing but he dies in No Way Out (essentially Deannas death ) so I imagine Rick and Michonne are perhaps being lined up as the Andrea and Rick of tv.

All very soapy but sex happens even in a zombie apocalypse!

You can see them really going down comic route now. Plenty of material and it's hard to know how many more seasons Andrew Lincoln or a few of the others would commit to so lots to fit in. No doubt they will probably have another spinoff if/when the show ends.

I really cant see Rick and Michonne getting together, I just don't really see that kind of spark between them on tv. Rick in both TV and comics is always more attracted to women where he is in the protector/dominant role. Michonne don't really have a soft side to her, they are more like brother/sister. As for who would take that role, I would have to guess it would be Maggie who comes closest TBH, but don't think they will go down that route.

The Talking Bread

suffering golfer wrote: »

I really cant see Rick and Michonne getting together, I just don't really see that kind of spark between them on tv. Rick in both TV and comics is always more attracted to women where he is in the protector/dominant role. Michonne don't really have a soft side to her, they are more like brother/sister. As for who would take that role, I would have to guess it would be Maggie who comes closest TBH, but don't think they will go down that route.

Maggie and Rick would NEVER happen!!!! Morgan and Carol would have a better chance of getting it on 😄 no, I really think Rick and Michonne is a definite. I get what you say re the protective aspect. But Andrea in the comics was an extremely strong independent woman a la michonne when she got with Rick so it will parallel their story I think.

sabhail

The Talking Bread wrote: »

All very soapy but sex happens even in a zombie apocalypse!

.

Feck all else to do for enjoyment in a zombie apocalypse!!

suffering golfer

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Maggie and Rick would NEVER happen!!!! Morgan and Carol would have a better chance of getting it on 😄 no, I really think Rick and Michonne is a definite. I get what you say re the protective aspect. But Andrea in the comics was an extremely strong independent woman a la michonne when she got with Rick so it will parallel their story I think.

Michonne role in the comic and TB are pretty much identical I think. Andrea, was you note was very strong character in the comic, but she also had a very soft venerable side as evidenced by her relationship with Dale. The andrea roles from comic is taken on by Maggie and Carol in TV to some extent. At the end of the day, Rick basically will just hook up with anyone who will take any interest in being the babysitter to his kids

Really just cant see Rick and Michonne happening... More likely with Sacha in the future (Sacha also has a lot of Andrea qualities also) but only if Sacha can keep sane!

The Talking Bread

suffering golfer wrote: »

Michonne role in the comic and TB are pretty much identical I think. Andrea, was you note was very strong character in the comic, but she also had a very soft venerable side as evidenced by her relationship with Dale. The andrea roles from comic is taken on by Maggie and Carol in TV to some extent. At the end of the day, Rick basically will just hook up with anyone who will take any interest in being the babysitter to his kids

Really just cant see Rick and Michonne happening... More likely with Sacha in the future (Sacha also has a lot of Andrea qualities also) but only if Sacha can keep sane!

Sasha and Abraham will be getting together. She seems to be taking Holly's comic book role. You are right though, a Rick Michonne relationship could be a disastorous road to go down but it could also work so well.

The Talking Bread

Told ye all!!!!!!!!

suffering golfer

Urgh... That was weird.

suffering golfer

To be honest, I am not sure I like the route the show has taken with that. Feels a bit too forced... I don't really see the chemistry between them. Hope the show doesn't overdo it and keep it very low key otherwise it will be off putting. I just prefer Michronne as a loner, she is more interesting that way.

Danjamin1

suffering golfer wrote: »

To be honest, I am not sure I like the route the show has taken with that. Feels a bit too forced... I don't really see the chemistry between them. Hope the show doesn't overdo it and keep it very low key otherwise it will be off putting. I just prefer Michronne as a loner, she is more interesting that way.

Has it been confirmed Ezekiel will be in the show yet? The relationship with Ezekiel has been a pretty big point for Michonne lately in the comics, wonder if that's going to go a different direction too?

thegreengoblin

Danjamin1 wrote: »

Has it been confirmed Ezekiel will be in the show yet? The relationship with Ezekiel has been a pretty big point for Michonne lately in the comics, wonder if that's going to go a different direction too?

If he is then I hope he doesn't have that stupid tiger with him!

Michonne and Rick? Dunno, he needed an Andrea and she was the obvious candidate but maybe it will take a while to get used to it.

Good to see Jesus introduced, I like the look of him. How did he come into it in the comic again? Can't remember!

The Talking Bread

Great casting with Jesus, loved the interaction with him and Darryl. Great character. Looks like we are on our way to Hilltop next week

DakarVert

Wouldn't mind reading these to compare to TV.

I'v seen the books in Easons at €17ish each and then there's 3 very thick books at over €70!

Where's the best place to source these and how many is there?

Foggy.nelson

DakarVert wrote: »

Wouldn't mind reading these to compare to TV.

I'v seen the books in Easons at €17ish each and then there's 3 very thick books at over €70!

Where's the best place to source these and how many is there?

I've volume. 1 to 8, so 48 of the comics that I've been meaning to put up on adverts. Will try get them up soon keep an eye out

Lovely Bloke

I think the show runners are leading up to Abe being killed by Negan, but it will be a bait & switch and really be Glenn, probably a "whoisit" over the break maybe.

ricero

There changing the lead up to negan a bit by the looks of it. Next week should be interesting to see where they are going

Liam McPoyle

DakarVert wrote: »

Wouldn't mind reading these to compare to TV.

I'v seen the books in Easons at €17ish each and then there's 3 very thick books at over €70!

Where's the best place to source these and how many is there?

You can get the compendiums 1 to 3 (around 48 issues per compendium) on Amazon for about £30 each.

brianregan09

Didn't both of them get killed one way or the other by Neegans men

suffering golfer

See the latest tv episode thread is getting comic spoiler heavy again. They really do need a mod or two.

The Talking Bread

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

I think the show runners are leading up to Abe being killed by Negan, but it will be a bait & switch and really be Glenn, probably a "whoisit" over the break maybe.

I think it's definitely Glenn. I think Maggie arc as Hilltop leader depends on Glenn's death. I also saw photos of the actress with the short hair so I'm confident that they will stay loyal to that plot arc. Her interaction with what's his name (the Hilltop leader) also was significant to this. I think Glenn's time is up also. He's a great character but the whole concept of him and Maggie turning into some domestic unit could be very boring. Daryl has plenty left in the tank and it would cause uproar amongst fans if he was killed whilst Kirkman has made lots of comments how much he regrets killing Abe off so early.

I think the show writers were testing the reaction amongst fans regarding his "is he or is he not dead" story earlier and it's fair to say although he was a fan favourite majority saw it disappointing the manner in how he survived. Likewise when he survived the hoarse of walkers whilst saving Maggie. I think it would be understandable and a good payoff for non comic readers if they finally saw the writers emphasising noone is invincible in this world.

I'd be happier to see Glenn meeting Lucille for these reasons.

thegreengoblin

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I think it's definitely Glenn. I think Maggie arc as Hilltop leader depends on Glenn's death. I also saw photos of the actress with the short hair so I'm confident that they will stay loyal to that plot arc. Her interaction with what's his name (the Hilltop leader) also was significant to this. I think Glenn's time is up also. He's a great character but the whole concept of him and Maggie turning into some domestic unit could be very boring. Daryl has plenty left in the tank and it would cause uproar amongst fans if he was killed whilst Kirkman has made lots of comments how much he regrets killing Abe off so early.

I think the show writers were testing the reaction amongst fans regarding his "is he or is he not dead" story earlier and it's fair to say although he was a fan favourite majority saw it disappointing the manner in how he survived. Likewise when he survived the hoarse of walkers whilst saving Maggie. I think it would be understandable and a good payoff for non comic readers if they finally saw the writers emphasising noone is invincible in this world.

I'd be happier to see Glenn meeting Lucille for these reasons.

You more or less saved me a post there! Maggie's scenes with Gregory are clearly setting us up for their dealings later on, there's no way they'd go to all that trouble if they weren't going to follow the basic comic story. It's just too big a deal to mess around with. They're doing a nice job building up Negan's character, I'm absolutely pumped to see him now.

5starpool

suffering golfer wrote: »

See the latest tv episode thread is getting comic spoiler heavy again. They really do need a mod or two.

I did PM an admin and ask about this specific thing before but nothing happened. It's silly at this point.

5starpool

Ya, Glenn will definitely feel Lucille's not so sweet kiss. I reckon they will kill Abraham offin the same way as the comics too. They have him about to cheat and break up with Rosita, and go on patrol with Eugene, and the two of them are on patrol together when Abraham bites it.

It's all being pretty faithful to the comics in that respect.

I think the only thing in question is whether they will have Glenn die in the season finale or whether we'll get a cliffhanger where we don't know who if anyone will die? I suspect we will see the bat swinging towards Glenn's head and that will be the finish.

The Talking Bread

5starpool wrote: »

Ya, Glenn will definitely feel Lucille's not so sweet kiss. I reckon they will kill Abraham offin the same way as the comics too. They have him about to cheat and break up with Rosita, and go on patrol with Eugene, and the two of them are on patrol together when Abraham bites it.

It's all being pretty faithful to the comics in that respect.

I think the only thing in question is whether they will have Glenn die in the season finale or whether we'll get a cliffhanger where we don't know who if anyone will die? I suspect we will see the bat swinging towards Glenn's head and that will be the finish.

Abrahams death was crap in the comics. They need him for All Out War as a character and Kirkman, as I said has made so many comments how much he regrets killing him off so early. Think Morgan could be a gonner soon, (his story arc has reached its point. likewise Tara. Hope they keep keep Gabriel , Denise, Eugene, Rosita, Enid (good potential... she will probably fill the role of Sophia, Michonne (obviously!!), out of the "secondary" characters. The rest I could live without

5starpool

I also hope they Keep Abraham, but they are setting it up to be like in the comics for him anyhow. Maybe they will do a last minute swerve on it, but I doubt it.

The Talking Bread

Pity the Saviour that done all the talking when they ambushed Darryl, Abe and Sasha got killed off!! He would have been a great character. Hopefully many of the Saviours are on a par with him. Has anyone else noticed they have incrementally increased the amount of light swear words over the season 6. Perhaps it's to reduce the shock value of Negan. He won't have a fraction of the crudity levels of Comic Book Negan but they will have to portray him somewhat as the foul mouthed vulgar person he is. American tv Sucky sometimes. A nation that you can buy a gun in your local corner shop and a nation who advocate people like Bush and Trump as presidents won't allow a few curse words on tv 😄😄 . Ah, no I understand the logic. Just a pity we won't see Neagan reach his true character!

Danjamin1

A Negan that doesn't speak like Negan is not a Negan I'd like to see.








I am looking forward to seeing Negan in the show though.

Liam McPoyle

suffering golfer wrote: »

See the latest tv episode thread is getting comic spoiler heavy again. They really do need a mod or two.

I reported the post I think you are referring to on Monday night, explained in the report why I was reporting it but it's still there.

It's pretty bad form and still perplexes me that people will ruin (whether intentionally or not) others enjoyment of the show.

I had the big event in the final season of The Sheild spoiled and I still havnt gotten over it.

:mad:

The Talking Bread

Business Cat wrote: »

I reported the post I think you are referring to on Monday night, explained in the report why I was reporting it but it's still there.

It's pretty bad form and still perplexes me that people will ruin (whether intentionally or not) others enjoyment of the show.

I had the big event in the final season of The Sheild spoiled and I still havnt gotten over it.

:mad:

which post?? I see constant references to people preempting deaths of characters in the upcoming Negan battle which are probably based on reading extracts from comic books alright but I reckon i'd expect for such an event of casualities even if I didn't read the comic books. I guess its easy for us to see them as potential spoilers as we know future events but its difficult to put ourselves in the mindset of a non comic book reader who may expect deaths naturally from such a serious encounter.

I remember last season some to@#er pointing out that I shouldnt be allowed to comment on both this thread and episode threads as I was liable to be basing my opinions of an episode on my knowledge of the comic books even though I would never spoil anything. He even went as far as private mailing me when I defended myself. He subsequently was banned. As I said I would be extremely careful and only base my comments on the episode itself, most of which are just comments on the events of same and not future predictions based on the events.

Comic book readers should perhaps have a disclaimer under their avatar acknowledging the fact they read the comics, thats the best solution which is used on many other Walking Dead Forums, ie the US based ones. It would make it easier for mods to recognise certain posters taking advantage of their knowledge. And without this Disclaimer they are not entitled to comment on this, the actual Comic Book thread.


I think its up to the mods to do their jobs and it only causes trouble on threads when comic book readers backseat mod (which is not what you are doing of course) but so many others have in the past. Perhaps a few mails to the Mods by various posters might wake them up.

Liam McPoyle

The poster says Abraham could die in the show but that it could still go the way of the comics.


Basically says I've read the comics, Abraham doesn't die in them but a major character does.

The Talking Bread

Business Cat wrote: »

The poster says Abraham could die in the show but that it could still go the way of the comics.


Basically says I've read the comics, Abraham doesn't die in them but a major character does.

Ah I see it. It's a spoiler I guess but could've been a slip of tongue in that he wasn't thinking at the time. I would give the guy the benefit of the doubt for that one and he doesn't really go into extreme detail on it nor does he mentire who dis, when they die, where they die nor why they die so it isnt the worst comment.

I find it worse when people make "predictions" on the show and it's obvious from the specifics of the "prediction " they are comic book readers yet they don't admit this, if you get me! It's up to the mods to hunt these down.

suffering golfer

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Ah I see it. It's a spoiler I guess but could've been a slip of tongue in that he wasn't thinking at the time. I would give the guy the benefit of the doubt for that one and he doesn't really go into extreme detail on it nor does he mentire who dis, when they die, where they die nor why they die so it isnt the worst comment.

I find it worse when people make "predictions" on the show and it's obvious from the specifics of the "prediction " they are comic book readers yet they don't admit this, if you get me! It's up to the mods to hunt these down.

If any of them predict a feckin Tiger they should be banned :P

Hope we don't get a tiger, but I imagine they will use a wolf or a massive dog as substitute. The lack of dogs and cats on the show is a little surprising unless they have been eating them.

The Talking Bread

suffering golfer wrote: »

If any of them predict a feckin Tiger they should be banned :P

Hope we don't get a tiger, but I imagine they will use a wolf or a massive dog as substitute. The lack of dogs and cats on the show is a little surprising unless they have been eating them.

Yeah I said that also. A wolf is the way to go. Ridiculous idea even for the comics with Shiva

mrkiscool2

Jesus Christ, Rickman is an evil one. In the recent episode

Glenn sees pictures on a wall of people who have had their head smashed in, similiar to what happens to him by Lucille.

. Has to be Glenn, if not then they have taken one of the biggest points of the comics and sh1t all over the fans.

The Talking Bread

You have to envisage the main (more populous) tv target market are NON comic book readers (they have the comic book readers loyal viewers already) and Glenn's death will have the most significant and impactfull effect amongst the former. This is no time for double bluffing comic book readers and I think the majority of same will want to see the comic events carrying through re Lucille.

All the foreshadowing, (the Polaroids, gleen finally murdering), the crap with the bin survival, the the future arc of Maggie in Hilltop and the fact that there is so much left in characters like Daryl and Abraham compared to Glenn I feel, as well as Maggies capture now, means that everything points to Glenn.

I don't mind double bluffing occasional events as it keeps the shock value running for us comic book readers but this event is such a serious juncture in the overall storyline that it merits it's true depiction.


So it's fair to say, imo, RIP Glenn ........

maximoose

More talking about Lucille in the thread for this weeks ep. Why do people just love spoiling things?

The Talking Bread

Just seen it. What a g $bsh $tw.

I read the post knowing he was a comic book reader after the first few paragraphs and actually missed the Lucille reference.

Eegit.

DoozerT6

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Just seen it. What a g $bsh $tw.

I read the post knowing he was a comic book reader after the first few paragraphs and actually missed the Lucille reference.

Eegit.

He's a she, and she does NOT read the comics.

Also a) if you don't know who or what Lucille is then no harm done, you won't get the reference, and b) actually how the hell can you NOT know who or what Lucille is if you are interested in the programme and have access to the internet. I have never even seen a TWD comic book and I knew about it. Although mea culpa for mentioning something from the graphic novel in the tv programme thread.

I'm all out of internet outrage for today. I need a cup of tea.

maximoose

a) if you don't know who or what Lucille is then no harm done, you won't get the reference

No harm done until someone who doesn't get the reference googles "the walking dead lucille"

b) actually how the hell can you NOT know who or what Lucille is if you are interested in the programme and have access to the internet

Because not everyone looks up future spoilers? Vast majority of my friends who love the show, have not read the comics and have no idea what's coming next.