English people and their dogs

planetX

wouldn't leave my dog outside - too many (Irish?) dog thieves around.

Icyseanfitz

ive a dog that might as well be a fecking horse for the size of him (mountain berenesse) and he is an indoor dog, as long as you train them young you wont have toilet problems with them

jupiterjack

whats the point in getting a dog if they are going to be kept outside. I live alone and find that my rottie is great company. It always amazes me when i hear non dog owners talking about toileting issues and the smell, well if you train them and clean your house everyday there should me no problems.

flas

Have a mid to large size dog over 14 years now,when he was younger he would sleep outside,except when it got cold,then when he got a bit older he would sleep indoors,he likes it,now he is old and he basically decides where he wants to be,and because hre has been a part of the family for so long everyone knows when he wants to sleep either inside or out,because he would let you know,basically by coming over,hitting you with his head a few times then walking to the back door!this summer he would not come inside no matter what,but the mknute it got cold he wouldnt sleep outside,he would go out for an hour then hit the door with his paw to get back in,he is house trained so no one minds him being inside!Godi love that dog...

nocoverart

No offence OP but what a stupid post! you're just generalising really. Like it's a written rule that English people keep their dogs in doors.
Like someone else has mentioned if you have a Boxer dog he would simply not survive outside. I personally would find it strange not having my dog in the house now.

meoklmrk91

nocoverart wrote: »

No offence OP but what a stupid post! you're just generalising really. Like it's a written rule that English people keep their dogs in doors.
Like someone else has mentioned if you have a Boxer dog he would simply not survive outside. I personally would find it strange not having my dog in the house now.

Funnily enough as someone who owns a boxer and keeps him inside I think I am in the minority of boxer owners I know, most categorise them as outdoor dogs, which is a disgrace, they really feel the cold and the heat much more than other dogs, I sometimes wonder how many outdoor dogs froze to death in the 2009,2010 cold snaps.

Cocolola

Stinicker wrote: »

How could anybody allow Dogs or Cats in their houses, it is disgusting, you'd smell the dog the minute you put a foot inside the front door and as for cats don't get started horrible creatures who molt hair everywhere and have an evil look to them.

I don't mind dogs but they should be chained up outside with a kennel or give them one of those electro-shocker things to keep them from wandering off.

My last dog I had her for 15 years and I'd take her for walks a few times a week and she only came into the Kitchen for short periods of time and only ever slept indoors once in the porch when she was having puppies.

Animals indoors is unclean and says alot about the cleanliness of the people who do it.

Animal-lovers Troll Checklist:

• Insinuate all dogs smell
• Declare all cats hairy and evil
• State dogs should be outside AND chained
• Suggest using electric shock collars
• Inform about underwalked pet
• Tell story that said pet wasn't neutered, allowed roam and get pregnant therefore also creating more unwanted puppies...
• Call people who keep pets indoors unclean

Ya, good try there but I think you could have done better. You should have gone on about the way your dog never went to the toilet inside cos you rubbed her nose in it, never did anything bold more than once because you hit her on the snout with a newspaper, never needed to go to the vet cos sure they're just money-grabbers etc. You missed out on loads there.

[EDIT] I sincerely hope that you were just trolling.... otherwise I feel sorry for any pet you had/have.

Rasheed

planetX wrote: »

wouldn't leave my dog outside - too many (Irish?) dog thieves around.

This is very true actually. At a stage last year, there was a group of scumbags stealing dogs around here and selling them on Done Deal. Fcukers.

Stinicker

getz wrote: »

gandhi; quote;,you can tell alot about people by the way they treat their animals,

Quoting Ganhi says more about a person tbh. As for my dog, I had her bred and sold the pups for €100 each back in the day. She had another unwanted litter of mongrels by the neighbours dog also which the vet put to sleep humanely.

Dogs do belong outside and it was far better to keep the dog chained than having her hit by car and killed, she survived one whack from a car and remained chained after that, she was walking around in circles for a few days afterwards but got out of it. She was never left roam and taken good care of, vaccinated and licensed.

How dare you judge my care of a pet just because I didn't allow it into the house. I did alot better job than most who keep dogs when I had her and her few pups.

Having dogs or cats indoors is horrible as they are all unclean. I got called to a house last year to do a job there and I refused to do it on three grounds. The house was unclean due to animal molting, it was not possible to concentrate on what I was doing with half a dozen dogs barking and one of the dogs was vicious and watching to bite.

Basically if you can't keep animals outside where they belong then you shouldn't have them.

Shryke

Stinicker wrote: »

Quoting Ganhi says more about a person tbh. As for my dog, I had her bred and sold the pups for €100 each back in the day. She had another unwanted litter of mongrels by the neighbours dog also which the vet put to sleep humanely.

Dogs do belong outside and it was far better to keep the dog chained than having her hit by car and killed, she survived one whack from a car and remained chained after that, she was walking around in circles for a few days afterwards but got out of it. She was never left roam and taken good care of, vaccinated and licensed.

How dare you judge my care of a pet just because I didn't allow it into the house. I did alot better job than most who keep dogs when I had her and her few pups.

Having dogs or cats indoors is horrible as they are all unclean. I got called to a house last year to do a job there and I refused to do it on three grounds. The house was unclean due to animal molting, it was not possible to concentrate on what I was doing with half a dozen dogs barking and one of the dogs was vicious and watching to bite.

Basically if you can't keep animals outside where they belong then you shouldn't have them.

Dumb, backward and bigoted.

Emeraldy Pebbles

Whispered wrote: »

It had nothing to do with the dogs welfare what so ever.

Keeping a dog inside isn't necessarily any better for its welfare.

woodoo

For the people who keep dogs indoors. How do they ensure the house doesn't stink of dog? I like the idea of keeping the dogs indoors but would be weary of the house stinking to the high heavens.

Emeraldy Pebbles

woodoo wrote: »

For the people who keep dogs indoors. How do they ensure the house doesn't stink of dog? I like the idea of keeping the dogs indoors but would be weary of the house stinking to the high heavens.

+1

And for people who say that not all dogs smell. I've never met one that doesn't.

poeticseraphim

Stinicker wrote: »

Quoting Ganhi says more about a person tbh. As for my dog, I had her bred and sold the pups for €100 each back in the day. She had another unwanted litter of mongrels by the neighbours dog also which the vet put to sleep humanely.

Dogs do belong outside and it was far better to keep the dog chained than having her hit by car and killed, she survived one whack from a car and remained chained after that, she was walking around in circles for a few days afterwards but got out of it. She was never left roam and taken good care of, vaccinated and licensed.

How dare you judge my care of a pet just because I didn't allow it into the house. I did alot better job than most who keep dogs when I had her and her few pups.

Having dogs or cats indoors is horrible as they are all unclean. I got called to a house last year to do a job there and I refused to do it on three grounds. How dare you judge my care of a pet just because I didn't allow it into the house. I did alot better job than most who keep dogs when I had her and her few pups.
Basically if you can't keep animals outside where they belong then you shouldn't have them.

You were not a responsible owner.

1. You allowed an unwanted pregnancy may i ask why she was unneutered?.And why did you not get her a mismating injectionafter? It would have prevented her having to go through the pregnancy.and the birth ..cheaper too!..And even later you could have gone for a pregnancy termination...it woud have saved you and her both a lot of upset..Unwanted pregnancy this happens??..this happens i give you that but there are things you can do how did it happen were you leaving her unattended? Could not not have given the pups away or to the animal shelter? Why let a pregnancy go full term in that case? I hope you neutered her.

2. If you do not have an enclosed garden with adequate space you should not get a dog.

Dogs do belong outside and it was far better to keep the dog chained than having her hit by car and killed, she survived one whack from a car and remained chained after that, she was walking around in circles for a few days afterwards but got out of it.

YEAH...EEEh..this is where i start to think you are not right ....

How dare you judge my care of a pet just because I didn't allow it into the house. I did alot better job than most who keep dogs when I had her and her few pups.

eh...i dunno though

How dare you judge my care of a pet just because I didn't allow it into the house. I did alot better job than most who keep dogs when I had her and her few pups.

Agreed numerous dogs need specialist care ...possibly with separate inclosures...or else do not have to many

But you need a garden for dogs....unless they are teeny

We have a dog ..mini dachsund....tiny.....he is quiet and clean....he goes out when he wants to and in when he wants...he is not allowed everywhere ..he is cleaned everytime he comes in from the garden...

Tisserand

I got a present of a maltese dog last summer. I had just gone through a bad patch of depression and getting the dog was the best thing ever happened to me. I live alone and this dog is just brilliant company. He is inside all the time as there would be no point in having him if he was outside. Some of my family are horrified that he is kept indoors and go on about hygiene etc. but I tell them to bear in mind my mental health is more important than hygiene just at the moment and if they have an issue then they don't have to come into the house. I think people should try to be more open minded as to the reasons people keep pets, and have them inside and not inside.

poeticseraphim

Tisserand wrote: »

I got a present of a maltese dog last summer. I had just gone through a bad patch of depression and getting the dog was the best thing ever happened to me. I live alone and this dog is just brilliant company. He is inside all the time as there would be no point in having him if he was outside. Some of my family are horrified that he is kept indoors and go on about hygiene etc. but I tell them to bear in mind my mental health is more important than hygiene just at the moment and if they have an issue then they don't have to come into the house. I think people should try to be more open minded as to the reasons people keep pets, and have them inside and not inside.

:)HUGS

Lovely story...:)

SCOOP 64

Never understood people who get dogs and leave them in a cage out side 24/7!

woodoo

Tisserand wrote: »

I got a present of a maltese dog last summer. I had just gone through a bad patch of depression and getting the dog was the best thing ever happened to me. I live alone and this dog is just brilliant company. He is inside all the time as there would be no point in having him if he was outside. Some of my family are horrified that he is kept indoors and go on about hygiene etc. but I tell them to bear in mind my mental health is more important than hygiene just at the moment and if they have an issue then they don't have to come into the house. I think people should try to be more open minded as to the reasons people keep pets, and have them inside and not inside.

Does he smell? Do you wash him often.

I only ask because i would like to get a dog and would want to keep the dog indoors.

Da Shins Kelly

My Morrissey is always in the house, and he's a fairly big dog. I couldn't leave him outside. He's my pet and I like having him with me. He's house trained (puts his head in my lap and nuzzles at me or paces a lot when he wants to get out), he makes me feel safe if I'm home alone and he's just part of our family. I'd never put him outside.

So it's not solely "English people" who do that. Plenty of people do. In fact, I'm not sure I know anyone who leaves their dog outside.

As for the smell - wash your dog regularly, or if you really can't deal with the smell of a dog, don't get one.

Tisserand

woodoo wrote: »

Does he smell? Do you wash him often.

I only ask because i would like to get a dog and would want to keep the dog indoors.

No he doesn't smell at all and I trained him to do his business outside. He will do it on a newspaper which I leave inside the backdoor if he needs to 'go' when I am out. He has snow white hair and I walk him every day and because he is very low to the ground his little feet and underbelly can get dirty and wet so I just give him a little wash 'underneath' afterwards and give him a full bath once a week. I would recommend a maltese dog for indoors, my little guy is so low maintenance and undemanding and I love him to bits. Never thought I would see the day I would cherish the company of an animal so much but this little guy is my reason for living just now!!

Sittingpretty

Stinicker wrote: »

Quoting Ganhi says more about a person tbh. As for my dog, I had her bred and sold the pups for €100 each back in the day. She had another unwanted litter of mongrels by the neighbours dog also which the vet put to sleep humanely.

Dogs do belong outside and it was far better to keep the dog chained than having her hit by car and killed, she survived one whack from a car and remained chained after that, she was walking around in circles for a few days afterwards but got out of it. She was never left roam and taken good care of, vaccinated and licensed.

How dare you judge my care of a pet just because I didn't allow it into the house. I did alot better job than most who keep dogs when I had her and her few pups.

Having dogs or cats indoors is horrible as they are all unclean. I got called to a house last year to do a job there and I refused to do it on three grounds. The house was unclean due to animal molting, it was not possible to concentrate on what I was doing with half a dozen dogs barking and one of the dogs was vicious and watching to bite.

Basically if you can't keep animals outside where they belong then you shouldn't have them.

I can only hope you didn't get another dog. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but what you describe is one hell of a miserable existance for any dog.

Da Shins Kelly

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you think things are bad in the UK with indoor dogs, try Spain.

The Spanish have no problems bring large dogs into multi story apartment blocks. I stayed in one 12 story block in Barcelona for a few months that had everything from Alsations, Doberman, Labrador and bull terriers. Every time an ambulance or cop car would pass you could hear them all go mental. People generally looked after them well by walking them in the evenings.

There are dogs everywhere here. Not many strays, I've noticed, but every other person has a dog and they seem to bring them everywhere with them.

Pumpkinseeds

When we were teenagers my parents adopted a collie cross. He was a big chap and was walked 3 times a day, long walks as he needed a good run to burn off the excess energy. He was an indoor dog with access to an enclosed back garden whenever he wanted it. I'd say he was washed once a week, more often when he indulged his passion for rolling in cow dung.

Whatever peoples opinions of 'the English' keeping dogs indoors, you will rarely find the English allowing dogs to roam. I don't believe in locking dogs outdoors. My neighbours aquired 2 dogs about a month ago. I have yet to see them being walked. They spend most of their time in the back garden, ignored and barking. It's not the dogs fault, its the owners. Dogs need interaction, if people aren't going to invest time and love in their dogs, they should really just get a goldfish or something else that doesn't require affection.

garancafan

parc wrote: »

(also when no one was around I'd let him **** on the couch with me but I was 8 or so, my parents wouldn't' do that)

My parents wouldn't **** on the couch either in those circumstances.

corktina

i'm English, have 4 dogs and they live outside.... less of the Stereotyping please.

FlyingIrishMan

Now for the real question, dogs in the bed with you at night?

LordSutch

I think its more like a Rural/City life style divide. Rural people, farmers etc will leave their dogs outside, while many city dwellers will let their dogs sleep indoors. Being English or Irish has nothing at all to do with it . . .

meoklmrk91

woodoo wrote: »

For the people who keep dogs indoors. How do they ensure the house doesn't stink of dog? I like the idea of keeping the dogs indoors but would be weary of the house stinking to the high heavens.

Emeraldy Pebbles wrote: »

+1

And for people who say that not all dogs smell. I've never met one that doesn't.

My dog hasn't had a bath for almost a year and he is only starting to smell recently due to the mud and rain, this is due to the fact that he gets good quality food, really makes a massive difference, the smell of wet dog is fowl but even when he is wet it is no where near the smell of other dogs who are on poorer quality diets.

Honestly there is no smell in the house, I am gone for most of the day so I am sure that I would smell it when I walked in the door. He will be having a bath soon and he will be back to normal. If you are a clean person then there is no reason why your house should smell.

woodoo

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

My dog hasn't had a bath for almost a year and he is only starting to smell recently due to the mud and rain, this is due to the fact that he gets good quality food, really makes a massive difference, the smell of wet dog is fowl but even when he is wet it is no where near the smell of other dogs who are on poorer quality diets.

Honestly there is no smell in the house, I am gone for most of the day so I am sure that I would smell it when I walked in the door. He will be having a bath soon and he will be back to normal. If you are a clean person then there is no reason why your house should smell.

What type of dog have you

meoklmrk91

woodoo wrote: »

What type of dog have you

Boxer, why?

woodoo

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Boxer, why?

I was wondering if it was long haired or not

noodler

Got a Staff/Boxer. Quit big but short hairs.

Little choice but to keep it outside during the day (although, well insulated shed and all that).

When we are in - we always keep it in the house.

I consider us a little bit whipped to be honest!

Ann22

My hubbie used to live in England, says they are a real nation of dog lovers compared to here. We volunteer with a local dog rescue group that has many contacts in the uk who take hundreds of dogs from us and home a great deal of them.

We have two much loved JRTs, kept indoors, washed every few weeks 'cos they sleep with us. They smell delicious and I could just kiss their little bodies all over:)....I feel that a dog should be kept indoors unless they're happy outside in a spacious enclosed garden, have abundant fur and have someone to play with regularly (and kept indoors at night). No way should they be chained up like a previous poster said (I'm still nauseous after reading his comments...totally and utterly disgusting, I didn't even want to quote the posts:mad:.

Dogs just love their owners and live to spend time with them. I can't understand why anyone would buy a dog then complain about smells and hairs and hassle. Explains how so many little angels end up lost and alone in pounds. Don't even start me on this subject:mad::mad::mad:

woodoo

Ann22 wrote: »

I can't understand why anyone would buy a dog then complain about smells and hairs and hassle. Explains how so many little angels end up lost and alone in pounds. Don't even start me on this subject:mad::mad::mad:

I think that is a fair question for someone to ask who doesn't currently have a dog. I have been in a house where a golden retriever is kept and the strong smell is awful. How to avoid or remedy that is a valid question.

Lia_lia

What? Our dog is HUGE! And he is kept inside all the time. I know way more people that have dogs kept indoors.

barbiegirl

woodoo wrote: »

I think that is a fair question for someone to ask who doesn't currently have a dog. I have been in a house where a golden retriever is kept and the strong smell is awful. How to avoid or remedy that is a valid question.

It's all to do with food. If you feed good quality food your dog won't smell. Ours are washed when they are dirty as in after a mucky walk up the mountains never because of smells. Both ours are long haired, have access to a fully enclosed back garden with kennels and are allowed more or less free run of the house. Our house is clean, not smelly and the hairs can be dealt with easily. I wouldn't be without our two and they insist on being around us all the time. They are happiest in our company. :-)

meoklmrk91

Ann22 wrote: »

My hubbie used to live in England, says they are a real nation of dog lovers compared to here. We volunteer with a local dog rescue group that has many contacts in the uk who take hundreds of dogs from us and home a great deal of them.

We have two much loved JRTs, kept indoors, washed every few weeks 'cos they sleep with us. They smell delicious and I could just kiss their little bodies all over:)....I feel that a dog should be kept indoors unless they're happy outside in a spacious enclosed garden, have abundant fur and have someone to play with regularly (and kept indoors at night). No way should they be chained up like a previous poster said (I'm still nauseous after reading his comments...totally and utterly disgusting, I didn't even want to quote the posts:mad:.

Dogs just love their owners and live to spend time with them. I can't understand why anyone would buy a dog then complain about smells and hairs and hassle. Explains how so many little angels end up lost and alone in pounds. Don't even start me on this subject:mad::mad::mad:

Your husband is dead right about the English, pretty much all of the UK actually, there is a real pet culture there and they really believe in looking after their animals too. For instance in Ireland in 2011, we put 5,586 dogs to sleep, Scotland which is of a similar size to use with regards to population out 207 dogs to sleep. There is no excuse, things are getting better, in 2002 we out over 22,000 dogs to sleep, so we are getting better, but this would not have happened had it not been for the work of the great Irish charities, most of which are filled with exceptional, hard working people, and the help of the British charities who take thousands of dogs from us each year and re-home them and the wonderful dogs trust who started the neutering scheme.

Ann22

woodoo wrote: »

I think that is a fair question for someone to ask who doesn't currently have a dog. I have been in a house where a golden retriever is kept and the strong smell is awful. How to avoid or remedy that is a valid question.

Mine have short fur and are really easy to keep. I even used baby wipes on their bums at times...especially before they come to bed. At the moment one of them is beside me, so sweet and soft and smelling like Johnson's baby shampoo:o.

If you had a dog and his natural smell bothered you, a regular wash would make all the difference. A bit of work though with a retriever so maybe it'd be better to have a shorthaired breed! There are also many fantastic deodorising and conditioning sprays available to tide you over between washes.

Ann22

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Your husband is dead right about the English, pretty much all of the UK actually, there is a real pet culture there and they really believe in looking after their animals too. For instance in Ireland in 2011, we put 5,586 dogs to sleep, Scotland which is of a similar size to use with regards to population out 207 dogs to sleep. There is no excuse, things are getting better, in 2002 we out over 22,000 dogs to sleep, so we are getting better, but this would not have happened had it not been for the work of the great Irish charities, most of which are filled with exceptional, hard working people, and the help of the British charities who take thousands of dogs from us each year and re-home them and the wonderful dogs trust who started the neutering scheme.

Well said:)

Vizzy

Ann22 wrote: »

Well said:)

Must say that this is highly hypocritical.
One the one hand you are advocating keeping the dogs indoors and wipe their little bums with baby wipes before you bring to bed with you and then you go on to compliment a post by meokmrk91 which advocates butchering dogs by neutering them.
I'm almost physically sick here.
Shame on you.

Ann22

Vizzy wrote: »

Must say that this is highly hypocritical.
One the one hand you are advocating keeping the dogs indoors and wipe their little bums with baby wipes before you bring to bed with you and then you go on to compliment a post by meokmrk91 which advocates butchering dogs by neutering them.
I'm almost physically sick here.
Shame on you.

Come off it...If it wasn't for the greedy bastards who run puppy farms and others who just use their own dogs to make money by breeding them over and over again there would be no need for a neutering scheme. Apart from all that, neutering prevents a range of cancers in dogs and extends their lives especially in the female. I cried and cried when my two were being done but I knew it was for their own good. They're a particularly handsome little pair of dogs and lots of people have stopped us and asked if I would consider breeding them. Even if they hadn't been neutered, I'd say they were anyway as I fear them being stolen for that reason.

We see females in our kennels with sagging tummies from repeated breeding, it's cruel to put them through labour after labour only to take their babies away. Oh and what about the unwanted puppies being dumped in pounds? Or worse.

borderlinemeath

Stinicker wrote: »

Quoting Ganhi says more about a person tbh. As for my dog, I had her bred and sold the pups for €100 each back in the day. She had another unwanted litter of mongrels by the neighbours dog also which the vet put to sleep humanely.

Irresponsible and uncaring owner.

Dogs do belong outside and it was far better to keep the dog chained than having her hit by car and killed, she survived one whack from a car and remained chained after that, she was walking around in circles for a few days afterwards but got out of it. She was never left roam and taken good care of, vaccinated and licensed.

So no life for your dog after you irresponsibly let it roam and get hit, you then took every bit of quality away from her life by chaining her. Taken good care of? You bred her, made money, let her get pregnant again and euthenised the pups? Did you never think of doing the right thing for her mental and physical wellbeing and get her spayed?

How dare you judge my care of a pet just because I didn't allow it into the house. I did alot better job than most who keep dogs when I had her and her few pups.

By the two posts that I've read on this thread about you, I've judged you as a fairly bad pet owner. You don't exactly paint a great picture of yourself as a caring and responsible owner by your own admission.

Having dogs or cats indoors is horrible as they are all unclean.

Absolute B0ll0X. I'd far rather be in a house with animals than uncaring and irrresponsible humans that treat animals as you do. Pets become part of the family, they help children learn responsibilities, develop empathy and are fantastic company for the elderly/people who live alone.

By your judgement nobody should have service dogs such as seeing eye dogs, hearing dogs, therapy dogs etc.

I got called to a house last year to do a job there and I refused to do it on three grounds. The house was unclean due to animal molting, it was not possible to concentrate on what I was doing with half a dozen dogs barking and one of the dogs was vicious and watching to bite.

So you assume a dog was vicious because it was 'watching to bite'? Makes no sense whatsoever. A dog doesn't 'watch to bite', a dog will bite if it feels threatened or scared so you obviously did something to it to make it react towards you.

Basically if you can't keep animals outside where they belong then you shouldn't have them.

Once again, Absolute B0ll0x. A lot of domesticated animals shouldn't live outside. Plenty of dog breeds that originated in warmer climates cannot cope in colder climates and would perish in an Irish winter. Some dogs such as double coated northern breeds would fare ok but the whole point of having a companion animal is to be just that, a companion and part of the family. My two medium to large breed dogs live in the house and we wouldn't have it any other way. My house doesn't smell, yes there's hairs but a quick sweep or a vacuum and they're gone.

TBH it's you that should never have had a dog after the way you described treating her.

0066ad

Ann22 wrote: »

Come off it...If it wasn't for the greedy bastards who run puppy farms and others who just use their own dogs to make money by breeding them over and over again there would be no need for a neutering scheme. Apart from all that, neutering prevents a range of cancers in dogs and extends their lives especially in the female. I cried and cried when my two were being done but I knew it was for their own good. They're a particularly handsome little pair of dogs and lots of people have stopped us and asked if I would consider breeding them. Even if they hadn't been neutered, I'd say they were anyway as I fear them being stolen for that reason.

We see females in our kennels with sagging tummies from repeated breeding, it's cruel to put them through labour after labour only to take their babies away. Oh and what about the unwanted puppies being dumped in pounds? Or worse.

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Vizzy wrote: »

Must say that this is highly hypocritical.
One the one hand you are advocating keeping the dogs indoors and wipe their little bums ]with baby wipes before you bring to bed with you and then you go on to compliment a post by meokmrk91 which advocates butchering dogs by neutering them.
I'm almost physically sick here.
Shame on you.[/QUOTE

borderlinemeath

Vizzy wrote: »

Must say that this is highly hypocritical.
One the one hand you are advocating keeping the dogs indoors and wipe their little bums with baby wipes before you bring to bed with you and then you go on to compliment a post by meokmrk91 which advocates butchering dogs by neutering them.
I'm almost physically sick here.
Shame on you.

Neutering dogs isn't 'butchering' them. A dog has natural urges to procreate and unlike humans don't show any restraint. Large litters also don't help matters and unless human intervention such as neutering takes place there would be a massive overpopulation. As it stands, pounds, shelters and rescues are full to bursting with dogs and pups from irresponsible pet owners that let their dogs procreate naturally without a thought to the consequences.

Bad breeding through puppy farms and back yard breeders without a thought for the health of the sire or dam or the litter of puppies have resulted in a lot of dogs developing genetic health issues and defects. The neutering of dogs that have health issues and hereditary conditions prevents them continuing within a particular breed. An unsuspecting person buying a pup that has not been health tested for breed specific traits can end up with a very unhealthy dog that can cost thousands upon thousands in vet bills apart from compromising the quality of the dogs life.

Mo60

I was brought up in England but I do not think this has any relevance to the fact that I have 5 dogs and 3 cats that are all mainly kept indoors. Some of my neighbours here keep their pets indoors and some keep them outside. Its really just a matter of choice.

We had a visit from a local farmer one day who sat in my kitchen and whose clothes and boots were covered in muck. He had the cheek to say that pets should not be allowed in the house because they were dirty and unhygenic.

JyesusChrist

Melion wrote: »

What about breeds like Boxers who, because of their short hair, cannot be kept outside?

I wouldnt dream of leaving my staffie outside overnight.

If I left my staffie outside he would cry the back door down + Its great having a dog around that house!

meoklmrk91

Vizzy wrote: »

Must say that this is highly hypocritical.
One the one hand you are advocating keeping the dogs indoors and wipe their little bums with baby wipes before you bring to bed with you and then you go on to compliment a post by meokmrk91 which advocates butchering dogs by neutering them.
I'm almost physically sick here.
Shame on you.

Ah stop, you must be trolling. Neutering them is butchering, here I'd much rather have my dog nuetered than have possibly hundreds of puppies, in pounds, in shelters, straying, being pts. It's responsible dog ownership, what is cruel is allowing a bitch get into pup everytime she's in heat, having litter after litter, or having a dog who can smell bitches in heat up to a square mile away. Neutering solves many problems and I personally wouldn't have an unnueterd pet as it is socially irresponsible.

Cork boy 55

that's the thing about WASP's..they love animals..hate people

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

For all the people saying 'Whats the point of having a dog if you'll keep him outside?' you have to realize that a lot of the people who keep their dog outside are usually outdoors themselves. Farmers for example spend most of the day outdoors and often have the dog alongside them. Also, many people in rural areas may have a dog for purely practical reasons such as herding or pest control and therefore having the dogs company inside isn't their biggest concern.

meoklmrk91

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

For all the people saying 'Whats the point of having a dog if you'll keep him outside?' you have to realize that a lot of the people who keep their dog outside are usually outdoors themselves. Farmers for example spend most of the day outdoors and often have the dog alongside them. Also, many people in rural areas may have a dog for purely practical reasons such as herding or pest control and therefore having the dogs company inside isn't their biggest concern.

No they really don't, I live in a rural area, farmers don't keep dogs for pest control or herding most of the time, of course there are some but farmers would very rarely have a herding dog and cats would be seen as better for pest control.

If people are out and about fair enough, I am talking about the people that I know with outdoor dogs, they are as such because their owners don't want them in the house, and believe me I know plenty of outdoor dogs, most are living in backyards, barking constantly with the Bordem and lonesomeness and the rest are left to wander around the place.