Music you just don't get

Plumpynutt

mike65 wrote: »

So called R 'n B which is now so far from its roots as to be something else these days.
Shoe-gaze type stuff and what tends to be passed off as "indie".

Oh and Michael Buble of course!

/loads machine gun

R 'n B is no longer rhythm and blues, it's called rhymes n bass, that's why it's a far cry from the roots

SilverScreen

RikkFlair wrote: »

Dubstep. It's all dutch to me.

It originated in London though

flyswatter wrote: »

The old funk/disco never stops being sampled to this day. George Clintons been done to death for example but that's not a bad thing.

I know there's still plenty of them using disco and funk backings, then again they pretty much use everything.

johnROSS wrote: »

Overly-heavy music is lifeless, it's just complete over the top noise for the sake of noise. I really do not get dragonforce (seriously, who rates a guitarist by how fast they play?) I don't get anything to do with emo, at all.

"Baby, i can make one note sound like 500 notes"- BB King

The fact that you used Dragonforce as an example shows that you have listened to very little metal. Even metalheads hate Dragonforce. Not all metal is played fast by the way, it ranges in speed from funeral-pace (My Dying Bride) to warp speed (early Napalm Death). Why do some metal bands play so fast? Because some people get off on that. It's not noise for noise sake it has a purpose, it's an outpouring of aggression. I prefer my metal slow and heavy though, like Electric Wizard.

As regards emo are you referring to pop bands with eyeliner or the original 'revolution summer' bands? Because there's a vast difference between the two.

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Rack city bitch
Rack rack city bitch
Ten ten ten twenties on yo titties birch.

You okay there buddy?

flyswatter

Yeah, it's funny with Dragon Force. They are either praised for their amazing technical guitar speed or completely hated on for it! Depends who you ask.

kunst nugget

RikkFlair wrote: »

Dubstep. It's all dutch to me.

Garage and 2-Step where Dubstep originated from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsOVED4u8aI

How it sounded in the beginning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6pTSGvp7T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEkvbRmfrA

How it developed over the years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsJVW5apRmY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Ydvq6bSog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHuhMz8boDw

But what most people think is dubstep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw

The robot rape sound of commercial dubstep is a million miles away from where it came from.

Geo10

I really, really don't get Nicki Minaj... she sounds like a dying cat?
Also I never ever understood the whole boyband phenomenon. I've never heard a boyband that was actually half decent, especially the cheesy One Direction.

Da Shins Kelly

Geo10 wrote: »

I really, really don't get Nicki Minaj... she sounds like a dying cat?
Also I never ever understood the whole boyband phenomenon. I've never heard a boyband that was actually half decent, especially the cheesy One Direction.

Agreed on Nicki Minaj. Also, Rihanna? How has she managed to become the biggest popstar on the planet?

On boybands, as long as there are prepubescent girls, there will be boybands.

Latchy

I hate all that pretentious Dylanish Rap **** and all boy bands sound exactly the same to me but then I'm not an adolescent teenage girl / boy

karaokeman

Geo10 wrote: »

I really, really don't get Nicki Minaj... she sounds like a dying cat?
Also I never ever understood the whole boyband phenomenon. I've never heard a boyband that was actually half decent, especially the cheesy One Direction.

Think the appeal of Nicki Minaj is the whole mock GaGa side to her music and personae, she may not be a talented vocalist or rapper but she's very good at what she does. GaGa too is another artist I don't get, she's no better than the Black Eyed Peas, least they had one good pop album (Elefunk).

On One Direction, they are as generic/typical Boyband-like as you can get (how many songs sound like One Thing?), they are no different from all the rest, I don't see them in any way as half-decent, they also stole the riff from Grease. Take That have good pop songs though.

flyswatter

Geo10 wrote: »

I really, really don't get Nicki Minaj... she sounds like a dying cat?
Also I never ever understood the whole boyband phenomenon. I've never heard a boyband that was actually half decent, especially the cheesy One Direction.

Take Thats newer stuff is very decent I feel. Like him or not, Gary Barlow is a talented songwriter.

Andy-Pandy

karaokeman wrote: »

don't get, she's no better than the Black Eyed Peas, least they had one good pop album (Elefunk).

The first Black Eyed Peas album, pre Fergie, is brilliant. Proper old school hip hop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0HqsIr6itk

Jimmy Iovine

lordgoat wrote: »

Word.

I push my seed in her bush tonight...

Such an amazing song. One of my favourites.

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Have to laugh at it all really. In every one of these kind of threads someone always comes along and tries to say that rap is shít and only for idiots. Thankfully, every time they have been proven wrong.

joydivision

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

Such an amazing song. One of my favourites.

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Have to laugh at it all really. In every one of these kind of threads someone always comes along and tries to say that rap is shít and only for idiots. Thankfully, every time they have been proven wrong.

Proven wrong?
You cant prove if music is **** or not its subjective .
I said I dont get . Posting wu tang clan videos and saying oh its a social commentary doesnt prove I get it .
Its bad poetry over somebody elsesmusic . I stand by this .

Da Shins Kelly

joydivision wrote: »

Proven wrong?
You cant prove if music is **** or not its subjective .
I said I dont get . Posting wu tang clan videos and saying oh its a social commentary doesnt prove I get it .
Its bad poetry over somebody elsesmusic . I stand by this .

What a load of bollocks.

Rothko

joydivision wrote: »

Proven wrong?
You cant prove if music is **** or not its subjective .
I said I dont get . Posting wu tang clan videos and saying oh its a social commentary doesnt prove I get it .
Its bad poetry over somebody elsesmusic . I stand by this .

How can you say that an entire genre is "bad poetry"?

joydivision

Apart from the revolution will not be televised I have yet to see anything Id call good poetry . Some of eminems stuff is good but its more funny riming than a social commentary .

rcaz

joydivision wrote: »

social commentary .

Why do you keep saying 'social commentary'? Is it not enough for a rapper to just tell a story really well?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i27ri_etWxU

The way Gab uses language is incredible, I haven't found anyone better. That tune in particular pulls together a scene so well, for me anyway.

Jimmy Iovine

rcaz wrote: »

Why do you keep saying 'social commentary'? Is it not enough for a rapper to just tell a story really well?

The way Gab uses language is incredible, I haven't found anyone better. That tune in particular pulls together a scene so well, for me anyway.

You can't beat a good story-telling rap. Especially when artists as good as Ghostface Killah and Raekwon are involved.

This is a brilliant song. Have a read of the lyrics.

The Supreme Alphabet element in the song is pretty cool.

Why Equality Self, I know the Master Allah Now
It's time to get the God U and blow like mines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1hj9D-sjaQ

flyswatter

Ghostface can tell a story alright. He's amazing, I've heard some of his solo album Fishscale. That song Back like That with Ne-yo is a tune!

RADIUS

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

You can't beat a good story-telling rap. Especially when artists as good as Ghostface Killah and Raekwon are involved.

This is a brilliant song. Have a read of the lyrics.

Can google translate do 'hood' ? Something about shooting someone?

Sounds like a bunch of scumbags to me, barely legible. I am amazed people actually like this stuff.

Oh yeah I don't get gansta rap.

kunst nugget

joydivision wrote: »

Apart from the revolution will not be televised I have yet to see anything Id call good poetry . Some of eminems stuff is good but its more funny riming than a social commentary .

Something tells me that Eminem isn't really into rimming.

joydivision

Holy jaysus . Somebody linked up lyrics there with how good at storytelling ghostface is .
One verse read .
That girl rhona
she drives a honda
she has legs like jane fonda .

Compelling . Utterly compelling.

riffmongous

joydivision wrote: »

Holy jaysus . Somebody linked up lyrics there with how good at storytelling ghostface is .
One verse read .
That girl rhona
she drives a honda
she has legs like jane fonda .

Compelling . Utterly compelling.

I read that in the voice of Ice Cube from 'straight outta compton'

Da Shins Kelly

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

You can't beat a good story-telling rap. Especially when artists as good as Ghostface Killah and Raekwon are involved.

Pretty much all of Wu-Tang are great. I think Raekwon is probably my favourite, but Inspectah Deck's verse on Triumph is amazing.

"I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies and hypotheses can't define how I be dropping these mockeries" has to be one of my favourite lyrics in any song.

Jimmy Iovine

flyswatter wrote: »

Ghostface can tell a story alright. He's amazing, I've heard some of his solo album Fishscale. That song Back like That with Ne-yo is a tune!

Yea 'Fishscale' is brilliant. Listen to the rest of it. There are almost no weak tracks on it.

'Supreme Clientele' and 'Ironman' are just as amazing, if not better.

joydivision

riffmongous wrote: »

I read that in the voice of Ice Cube from 'straight outta compton'

Did mama cook the breakfast with no hog in that one too .
Buckbuckbuckbuck booyakasha.

flyswatter

joydivision wrote: »

Did mama cook the breakfast with no hog in that one too .
Buckbuckbuckbuck booyakasha.

You have to remember, some of these guys came from backgrounds and ghettos with low education rates, pointing out the lack of vocabulary is missing the point.

They are still great rappers, there are some very literate rappers too. Like rcaz said, Gift of Gab is a good example. Rapping about chemical science formulas of all things!

Q Tip is also a very smart man.

All about context here.

joydivision

So we are agreed its a basic use of the english language . Usually two notes (the rap) going back and forth over a sample .
If I needed to bluff my way into the music biz I think thisd be the easiest skill to master .
Now Im not saying its all bad or offensive to my ears . Im just saying I dont get it . I would feel silly putting a rap cd on .
Each to their own and stuff .
I have to go now . Ive been invited to a candy shop . Some big black guy wants to lick me lick a lollypop . Its cool though he was shot loads of times so Im sure hes cool .

kunst nugget

joydivision wrote: »

Holy jaysus . Somebody linked up lyrics there with how good at storytelling ghostface is .
One verse read .
That girl rhona
she drives a honda
she has legs like jane fonda .

Compelling . Utterly compelling.

Very easy to put on an air of condescension quoting something that is meant to be heard, with it's flow and structure, as opposed to read. Even Dylan felt a lot of his lyrics didn't hold up to scrutiny as poetry because they were there to serve the overall song. It's very easy to frame a part of lyric to support your argument that rap is drivel but it's utterly pointless because you're not actually engaging with it as an artform at all. I don't listen to a huge amount of rap as I have musical interests but I'm not blinkered enough to think it's all the same with all artists tackling the same issues with the same set of skills and same use of metre, flow and language.

m0ynihan

Coldplay - Just too bland
Ac/Dc - His voice!
Rise Against - Just look them up and you should agree...

Jimmy Iovine

flyswatter wrote: »

You have to remember, some of these guys came from backgrounds and ghettos with low education rates, pointing out the lack of vocabulary is missing the point.

They are still great rappers, there are some very literate rappers too. Like rcaz said, Gift of Gab is a good example. Rapping about chemical science formulas of all things!

Q Tip is also a very smart man.

All about context here.

Look up the GZA. He's mad into quantum physics. His next album is going to be inspired by it. It's called 'Dark Matter'.

In GZA’s own words, “I recently met with quantum physicists who deepened my interest in the cosmos and gave me further inspiration for this next album” GZA said in a press statement. “I want to take my listeners on a journey through deep space and deconstruct the idea of science fiction."

http://www.factmag.com/2012/03/09/wu-tangs-gza-announces-new-album-inspired-by-quantum-physics/

He grew up in the 'ghetto'. Doesn't mean he's stupid.

Eminem dropped out of school and had to repeat one year 3 times, I think. He has some of the most lyrically complex songs I've heard.

Education stands for nothing in rap.