Antibiotics, Are people really that stupid

danniemcq

According to the news there one in three people expect antibiotics when they go to the docs with a cold or flu.

So now there is the big campaign, ads and news pieces telling people not to take them if they don't need them.

Now my issue with this is this, why are docs still giving them out. Should the docs not have the "talk" and not the people on the street.

this would save a lot of hassle and money (guessing SOMEONE has to pay for the ads) not enough to pay off europe i know but its something.

And if people demand antibiotics then give them sugar pills/placebos and send them on their way.

Casillas

It's not a good idea to get antibiotics unless you're old.

The problem lies with GP's handing them out like smarties.

People can demand what they like, but without a prescription they won't get medication.

c_man

danniemcq wrote: »

And if people demand antibiotics then give them sugar pills/placebos and send them on their way.

And still charge them E50 for the pleasure.

danniemcq

well if you go to a doc for a sniffle then call it a pain in the ass tax

Lollipops23

Casillas wrote: »

It's not a good idea to get antibiotics unless you're old.

I have a condition that means if I get a chest infection I could end up very seriously ill if I don't take a course of antibiotics and nip it in the bud early on. It sucks, as I'm not a fan of medicating in general, but can't be helped.

I think the issue is people either saving old antibiotics from a previous illness, or buying them abroad. You can get them in Spain over the counter. I know someone who has a tub of them and gives it her kids when they've an ear infection/sore throat etc.

It's really not smart, but people would be far more likely to see a doc if they didn't cost so much.

Lyaiera

c_man wrote: »

And still charge them E50 for the pleasure.

Well if you've gone to the doctor for a flu you've still used their time and expertise. It's not the doctor's fault that you couldn't tell that all you had was the flu.

Odysseus

Yes people are that thick, you see it only applies to other they are always the excepttion.

It is unethical to give out placebos.

People often spoff about their symptoms in order to get a script, because I will be better if I take meds, or I must be sick if I got a script.

starviewadams

GP's just probably get fed up of trying to explain to the gob****es that the antibiotics won't do them any good,so write the script to get rid of them.

danniemcq

Casillas wrote: »

The problem lies with GP's handing them out like smarties.

People can demand what they like, but without a prescription they won't get medication.

Thats my point, why target us with these ads and crap when we can't do anything without the docs go ahead.

Unless you are going the prepper route and getting fish antibiotics

RobbieTheRobber

danniemcq wrote: »

And if people demand antibiotics then give them sugar pills/placebos and send them on their way.

c_man wrote: »

And still charge them E50 for the pleasure.

I think this is part of the problem, people expect more than "go home and rest you'll be grand" when they pay €50 for a Doctor visit.

Me anytime I have ever gone to the doctor with a cold/flu I refuse any prescribed medicines, im just there to get the sick cert.

LizT

Casillas wrote: »

It's not a good idea to get antibiotics unless you're old.

The problem lies with GP's handing them out like smarties.

People can demand what they like, but without a prescription they won't get medication.

Antibiotics are used for loads of things, I'm on a course of them at the minute to clear up my skin. They're not just useful to older people.

mike65

The more you take the greater your risk of them not working when you really need them to work.

(inserts obligatory 'I never take medicine for colds etc' comment here)

Lollipops23

danniemcq wrote: »

Thats my point, why target us with these ads and crap when we can't do anything without the docs go ahead.

Unless you are going the prepper route and getting fish antibiotics

I don't know of many docs who hand them out willy nilly- I think it's people self medicating that's to blame. You know how they always say to finish a course of tablets, even if you feel better? Well a lot of people stop after a few days and keep the rest for next time they're sick.

Rasheed

I think people are improving but there still is a lot of ignorant prep pole when it comes to antibiotics.

The best yet is the person that would offer you the 'few left over antibiotics' they have in the press when you get sick. They could have gotten it for their toe and are offering it to you for your chest!

Casillas

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I have a condition that means if I get a chest infection I could end up very seriously ill if I don't take a course of antibiotics and nip it in the bud early on. It sucks, as I'm not a fan of medicating in general, but can't be helped.

I think the issue is people either saving old antibiotics from a previous illness, or buying them abroad. You can get them in Spain over the counter. I know someone who has a tub of them and gives it her kids when they've an ear infection/sore throat etc.

It's really not smart, but people would be far more likely to see a doc if they didn't cost so much.

If you need them, you need them. Most don't though and with everyone taking antibiotics, they become less effective for people like yourself who need them. The thing is GP's know this, why so many don't seem to care though I can't understand. Maybe they're afraid if people know they won't receive antibiotics, they won't go see the GP and cough up cash.

fishy fishy

danniemcq wrote: »

According to the news there one in three people expect antibiotics when they go to the docs with a cold or flu.

So now there is the big campaign, ads and news pieces telling people not to take them if they don't need them.

Now my issue with this is this, why are docs still giving them out. Should the docs not have the "talk" and not the people on the street.

this would save a lot of hassle and money (guessing SOMEONE has to pay for the ads) not enough to pay off europe i know but its something.

And if people demand antibiotics then give them sugar pills/placebos and send them on their way.

have you been watchen derren brown or something. Giving people placebos! :rolleyes:

Odysseus

starviewadams wrote: »

GP's just probably get fed up of trying to explain to the gob****es that the antibiotics won't do them any good,so write the script to get rid of them.

Yep, it is easy for us to say let people demand, give them nothing. However, when you have 20+ people in a waiting room waiting on you, it is easier for them to write the script in certain cases.

.Henry Sellers.

It's all a scam, Antibiotics are good for you, they just don't want you taking them because you'll have to keep coming back to the doctors which will make them more money, now i'm off to polish my tinfoil hat.

Sarky

Yes. People are that stupid.

danniemcq

fishy fishy wrote: »

have you been watchen derren brown or something. Giving people placebos! :rolleyes:

I've been facinated with the whole science behind the effect for years. Its one of the reasons so many drugs that could save lives have had to be scrapped and at least some of the reason why drugs cost so much as they may have to go back to the drawing board on numerous occasions.

There was a brilliant piece in Wired magazine a few years ago, wonder could i find it online.

But yeah the derren brown one was very interesting too.

and if you think ah placebo effect it woul;dn't work on me in the wired article it mentions people being told that this pill is a sugar pill and will do nothing for you have seen their symptoms/conditions improve

Ray Palmer

Lyaiera wrote: »

Well if you've gone to the doctor for a flu you've still used their time and expertise. It's not the doctor's fault that you couldn't tell that all you had was the flu.

Most people don't get the flu, it's just a cold. If you get the flu you know about it and will go to the doctor. Expect to be literally in bed for a week or more and lose a fair amount of weight. You truely ache all over and are going to find it hard to walk.
Had the flu once and will never mix up with a cold.

danniemcq

fishy fishy wrote: »

have you been watchen derren brown or something. Giving people placebos! :rolleyes:

danniemcq wrote:

There was a brilliant piece in Wired magazine a few years ago, wonder could i find it online.

http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=all

found it

kincsem

Women look after their health better than men.

I'm in hiding

Lollipops23

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I don't know of many docs who hand them out willy nilly- I think it's people self medicating that's to blame. You know how they always say to finish a course of tablets, even if you feel better? Well a lot of people stop after a few days and keep the rest for next time they're sick.

People really are thick. How is it not common knowledge that it's essential to finish a course of antibiotics? And that you need different antibiotics depending on what's wrong, they're not like paracetamol! I really despair sometimes.

Chuck Stone

The blue ones are best.

Ray Palmer

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Most people don't get the flu, it's just a cold. If you get the flu you know about it and will go to the doctor.

I don't see why, I've had it twice before - yes, proper flu - and all it took was time to kick it off. That and not being able to move

Lyaiera

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Most people don't get the flu, it's just a cold. If you get the flu you know about it and will go to the doctor. Expect to be literally in bed for a week or more and lose a fair amount of weight. You truely ache all over and are going to find it hard to walk.
Had the flu once and will never mix up with a cold.

I know. I've had a flu a few times, the first couple of times I went to the doctor and there was nothing he could do: paracetamol for pain and fever, liquids, bed rest and eat whenever you can. People usually just stick through colds, drinking lemsip and eating oranges (not that they do anything) and a huge amount of people think a bad cold is the flu. Once they get the flu they think they're dying and go and demand antibiotics. Colds are bad, the flu is fecking awful people don't know the difference.

I know my doctor will take phone calls from people who think they have the flu. Whether it's to stop people who have a cold wasting their time, or his actual stated reason of keeping it out of the waiting room I don't know.

1ZRed

Some people are very misinformed and expect antibiotics for virus based illnesses which would do you no good.

Something equally as bad is people not carrying out the full course of antibiotics and more or less picking and choosing when to take them. This is why the level of antibiotic resistant bacteria is exploding because they are not exposed to a full dose of antibiotics, so all the bacteria are not all killed but adapt slowly to become immune to the effects of them.

It's pretty shocking and it will give rise to many many more superbugs that will be very hard to treat. In Southeast Asia it's becoming a growing epidemic as antibiotics are dirt cheap and available over the counter without prescription, so their effectiveness has plummeted over the years. What's worse is there hasn't been a major break through in discovering new antibiotics since the 50s.

Definitely there should be more measures brought in and more information available about antibiotics because it's so irresponsible for doctors to be handing them out so readily when not actually necessary, but it's patients pressuring the doctor for something that is also a problem as they feel a need to justify the expense of the visit.
The problem lies with both parties really, and it's important that it should be sorted out.

sfwcork

they are really pushing the over the counter remedies. Are theys re theyre not pushing the over the counter remedies because they are making more % on them?

Terrlock

A friend of mine told be about this colloidal silver stuff that can cure the same stuff as antibiotics do. Even said to work on viruses

Did a bit of research on it and you see the guy that turned blue from drinking it....lots of negative press from the drug companies.

So was very sceptical.


Did a bit more research into and seen that he made his solution with salt, which caused the blue side effect.

Learned how to make my own from distilled water.


I can't say there is enough research into it too prove that it works the way people claim but I decided to use myself as a Guinea pig when I was getting constant colds, cough's, chest infections and swore throats.

I have to say it worked wonders for me as in cured in a matter of 2 hours.

most people will be sceptical about it and say no, but the people that have tried it have all said it works.

As in Colds and flu's gone within hours....toothaches gone in minutes...even infected bones healed where antibiotics failed...but this is just my experience.

Since I started making my own, I've saved loads on doctor and medication bills.

I wouldn't recommend buying it, just educating yourself as much as you can, and if you think it's for you try making some.


It's only water and tiny nano particals of silver....all you need.

I'd only take maybe a mouth full of it if I'm sick and I get all better.

suicide_circus

For man flu i recommend;

Hot whiskeys with lemon, brown sugar and cloves.
Nurofen cold n flu
homemade chicken noodle soup
Pints of water with desolving multi vits
Ignore the woman and sleep with the window a jar

charlemont

Its all about money, Antibiotics sell, And if they don't work then the patient comes back..Ker-ching..Health has nothing to do with it..

Seaneh

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Most people don't get the flu, it's just a cold. If you get the flu you know about it and will go to the doctor.

I've had flu twice and neither time did I go to the doctor.

June 2007, normal flu, 10 days in bed, lost about 3.5kg, called ,y gp, told her symptoms, she said "probably flu, I'll check in on you during the week" and she called me a few times to monitor and remind me to keep eating and taking fluids as much as I could, wrote a script for strong pain killers and told me to take a multivitiman. No need to go to the doctor with flu, they can't do anything for you.

July 2009, got swine flu, again, called GP, she told me to stay at home, it was probably swine flu, she came to my house herself and wore a mask, checked me out, told me I was lucky as they had just stopped quarantining people the week before and I wouldn't have to be dragged to hospital and put in a sterile room. Was abotu 12 days in bed, lost about 6kg and wasn't right for about 2 weeks after.


If you have flu, or suspect you have flu, phone your GP/Clinic/out of hours service and tell them the symptoms, odds are they will tell you to stay at home, as they can't help you and you going to their surgery just means you are likely to infect other people.

Chuck Stone

Terrlock wrote: »

A friend of mine told be about this colloidal silver stuff that can cure the same stuff as antibiotics do. Learned how to make my own from distilled water.

I have to say it worked wonders for me... Colds and flu's gone within hours....toothaches gone in minutes...even infected bones healed where antibiotics failed...but this is just my experience.

Wat?

smash

danniemcq wrote: »

And if people demand antibiotics then give them sugar pills/placebos and send them on their way.

You know the way doctors just write scribbles and people wonder how the chemist can read the prescription? Well they can't... it's just the doc fobbing them off and the chemist giving them placebos.

hooradiation

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I think this is part of the problem, people expect more than "go home and rest you'll be grand" when they pay €50 for a Doctor visit.

Perhaps they should visit a wizard instead.

Lyaiera

hooradiation wrote: »

Perhaps they should visit a wizard instead.

I'd happily pay €50 to visit a wizard.

--Kaiser--

Terrlock wrote: »

A friend of mine told be about this colloidal silver stuff that can cure the same stuff as antibiotics do. Even said to work on viruses

Did a bit of research on it and you see the guy that turned blue from drinking it....lots of negative press from the drug companies.

So was very sceptical.


Did a bit more research into and seen that he made his solution with salt, which caused the blue side effect.

Learned how to make my own from distilled water.


I can't say there is enough research into it too prove that it works the way people claim but I decided to use myself as a Guinea pig when I was getting constant colds, cough's, chest infections and swore throats.

I have to say it worked wonders for me as in cured in a matter of 2 hours.

most people will be sceptical about it and say no, but the people that have tried it have all said it works.

As in Colds and flu's gone within hours....toothaches gone in minutes...even infected bones healed where antibiotics failed...but this is just my experience.

Since I started making my own, I've saved loads on doctor and medication bills.

I wouldn't recommend buying it, just educating yourself as much as you can, and if you think it's for you try making some.


It's only water and tiny nano particals of silver....all you need.

I'd only take maybe a mouth full of it if I'm sick and I get all better.

Do you have any interest in some magic beans?

danniemcq

Terrlock wrote: »

A friend of mine told be about this colloidal silver stuff that can cure the same stuff as antibiotics do. Even said to work on viruses

Did a bit of research on it and you see the guy that turned blue from drinking it....lots of negative press from the drug companies.

So was very sceptical.


Did a bit more research into and seen that he made his solution with salt, which caused the blue side effect.

Learned how to make my own from distilled water.


I can't say there is enough research into it too prove that it works the way people claim but I decided to use myself as a Guinea pig when I was getting constant colds, cough's, chest infections and swore throats.

I have to say it worked wonders for me as in cured in a matter of 2 hours.

most people will be sceptical about it and say no, but the people that have tried it have all said it works.

As in Colds and flu's gone within hours....toothaches gone in minutes...even infected bones healed where antibiotics failed...but this is just my experience.

Since I started making my own, I've saved loads on doctor and medication bills.

I wouldn't recommend buying it, just educating yourself as much as you can, and if you think it's for you try making some.


It's only water and tiny nano particals of silver....all you need.

I'd only take maybe a mouth full of it if I'm sick and I get all better.

thats very interesting actually,

there seems to be a fair amount of articles online and some interesting reading...

seems that as long as you aren't drinking the stuff all the time and use it occasionally it seems to have no side effects (take it a lot and you get an irreversable skin condition)

i did see however that the amount of silver in the colloidal silver products can vary from -24% to +114% of what they say on the box so thats sometning to look out for.

there are some worrying notes on it though

The effectiveness of these products has never been scientifically proven, and in some jurisdictions, it is currently illegal to include such claims in product advertisements

at least there is something in this and not just watered down water like other alternative remedies

Iwannahurl

Antibiotics schmantibiotics.

If it wasn't for the Valium, I'd be on drugs.

Iwannahurl

suicide_circus wrote: »

the window a jar

When is a window not a window?

hooradiation

So we're already dealing with people who think colloidal silver is a cure all? Great.

It's only a matter of time before the paleo diet advocating chucklefucks show up....

asherbassad

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I have a condition that means if I get a chest infection I could end up very seriously ill if I don't take a course of antibiotics and nip it in the bud early on. It sucks, as I'm not a fan of medicating in general, but can't be helped.

I think the issue is people either saving old antibiotics from a previous illness, or buying them abroad. You can get them in Spain over the counter. I know someone who has a tub of them and gives it her kids when they've an ear infection/sore throat etc.

It's really not smart, but people would be far more likely to see a doc if they didn't cost so much.

I don't know why people go to the doctor at all.
Most complaints can be cured with herbal remedies. Just go to your friendly local Chinese herb specialist. If you've got any kind of infection at all the guy will give you some tea and have you spend the next week overdosing on garlic. Most antibiotics are just garlic anyway. Sh!t kills everything..including vampires.

Terrlock

danniemcq wrote: »

thats very interesting actually,

there seems to be a fair amount of articles online and some interesting reading...

seems that as long as you aren't drinking the stuff all the time and use it occasionally it seems to have no side effects (take it a lot and you get an irreversable skin condition)

i did see however that the amount of silver in the colloidal silver products can vary from -24% to +114% of what they say on the box so thats sometning to look out for.

there are some worrying notes on it though



at least there is something in this and not just watered down water like other alternative remedies

Yes I wouldn't trust in buying it myself...which is why I looked into making it.

So now that I make it myself, I know exactly what's in it and it works great. So when I make it I get about 18 ppm of silver in pure distilled water.

And I'd only ever take it when sick or something.


........


And no...it's not magic beans, it's just water and a bit of silver, so simple and so effective.

Silver has amazing antibacterial properties.

Just get a pint of milk, and drop a silver coin in it and see how long it takes for it to go off.

Terrlock

hooradiation wrote: »

So we're already dealing with people who think colloidal silver is a cure all? Great.

It's only a matter of time before the paleo diet advocating chucklefucks show up....

Well I was sceptical too until I tried it and it just worked.

Everyone who I know that has been open enough to try it, says the same that it's just works.

so it's not what I think...it actually works...unless I managed to cure my chest infection from suggestive thought...which I guess is possible.

Again it hasn't gone through rigorous drug testing, which it never will.

No money in making your own cures.

--Kaiser--

danniemcq wrote: »

thats very interesting actually,

there seems to be a fair amount of articles online and some interesting reading...

seems that as long as you aren't drinking the stuff all the time and use it occasionally it seems to have no side effects (take it a lot and you get an irreversable skin condition)

i did see however that the amount of silver in the colloidal silver products can vary from -24% to +114% of what they say on the box so thats sometning to look out for.

there are some worrying notes on it though



at least there is something in this and not just watered down water like other alternative remedies

Let's put a stop to this right now, there are no studies proving that colloidal silver is effective as anything but an antispetic

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

smash

I googled colloidal silver and most of the results are for pages warning of the effects it can have on you so I think I'll stay away.

danniemcq

hooradiation wrote: »

So we're already dealing with people who think colloidal silver is a cure all? Great.

It's only a matter of time before the paleo diet advocating chucklefucks show up....

I hope you aren't classing me in that!

Nothing is a solve all solution, but seeing that the silver ussed to be used as an antibiotic i might look into it and see.

from what i can see is that there hasn't been a whole lot of research into it (compared to other drugs etc) and i'd be worried about the other side effects than skin colour.

would it be heavy metal like and build up destroying your organs. would it pass through naturally etc.

hooradiation

Terrlock wrote: »

so it's not what I think...it actually works...unless I managed to cure my chest infection from suggestive thought...which I guess is possible.

Pardon me while I give exactly no fucks about your anecdotal evidence.
You have no idea why these conditions are being "cured" you're just attributing it to some snake oil you've taken to.

Terrlock wrote: »

Again it hasn't gone through rigorous drug testing, which it never will.

No money in making your own cures.

Yes, that's exactly it, or maybe, just maybe it has undergone testing and found to be very wanting?

wyndham

Papa Smurf anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahihGKZC5Kk

danniemcq

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Let's put a stop to this right now, there are no studies proving that colloidal silver is effective as anything but an antispetic

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

well that page also states that the only reason the FDA warns about it is the skin colour issue

The amount of silver required to produce argyria is unknown. However, the FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported:

in that paragraph it shows that there isn't a lot of study into it when they can't tell how much causes Argyria.

I'm not gonna run to the nearest shop and buy some but its interesting.

Like using natural honey to treat wounds or cobwebs to stop bleeding its just interesting!