Is Fashion a load of bollocks?

Andrewf20

As you get older you realise more and more that nobody really cares what you wear. Once you are not dressed like a telly tubbie you will be grand.

ilovesleep

I am so unbelievably plain you wouldn't believe it. Tracksuit bottoms and jeans and t-shirts. One pair of runners that I wear daily. Even going out clothes are plain - it's jeans and a fancy top.

It's all so plain but I'm happy and comfortable in it.

I look through magazines at the fashion pages and it just doesn't appeal to me in any way. Sometimes I might like something and admire it but you'd need to have a good body to pull something off and look well in it and you'd need loads of confidence too.

I saw a lovely pair of jeans the other day in town and the price was good but then I noticed the leg was skinny and I don't like skinny jeans.

ilovesleep

Shoes - how do women wear high heels. I wore them once, a few years ago and again a few weeks back and never again.

Is there any such thing as a comfy high heel?

flutterflye

ilovesleep wrote: »

Is there any such thing as a comfy high heel?

Yes.

ilovesleep

flutterflye wrote: »

Yes.

Please do tell me. I have an outing coming up soon and if I find a comfy high heel, I may wear a skirt.

_Kaiser_

I admit, I know nothing about fashion and (as it's fresh in my mind from the "did you go on holiday as a child" thread) as it wouldn't have been an issue growing up in the 80s - very little money tends to strip away a lot of $hite - I've been told I dress "too old" for my age.

But in my defence, I don't follow celeb rubbish, have no interest in Facebook/Twitter etc and have spent most of the last 15 years in "Business Casual" clothes + school uniforms for many years before that, so it's not all my fault! To be fair, efforts have been made to change me but I just wasn't comfortable in the stuff.. I'm not 25 anymore and no point dressing like I am Another example would be I hate runners so never wear them..ever!

My problem is I don't think I'd be able to hand over €75+ for a single item of clothing.. it's not that I couldn't afford it at the min (as I would happily spend 3 times that on a new phone/laptop/car stuff), but I'd just see it as a total waste of money for something that's probably been made in the same factory by the same workers as the "name" brand.

Actually.. Maybe I AM just old?!

strobe

thier wrote: »

You're dead right, and this is coming from a woman.

What has being a woman got to do with it ya sexist so n so?

Lyaiera

And I don't understand why people are saying they're not interested in "celebrity culture" what do celebrities have to do with fashion? It's like saying someone is into "celebrity culture" because they're a football fan, or a film fan, sure they have celebrities too.

_Kaiser_

Lyaiera wrote: »

And I don't understand why people are saying they're not interested in "celebrity culture" what do celebrities have to do with fashion? It's like saying someone is into "celebrity culture" because they're a football fan, or a film fan, sure they have celebrities too.

Because isn't fashion often dictated by whatever some z-lister is wearing?

Lyaiera

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Because isn't fashion often dictated by whatever some z-lister is wearing?

Short answer: no, long answer: it depends. Fashion mostly comes from micro-cultures through designers. A z-lister wearing a particular style is more likely to kill it rather than help it. Some "celebrities" get noted for having a good fashion sense and people will follow them. However if you compare the gossip magazines with the fashion magazines there will be a certain amount of crossover but they're really not that similar.

And that's assuming your basing fashion fandom on magazines, TV and the traditional media. A lot of people who are into fashion will pick it up from the fashion community (online is big part of that) and not bother looking at TV shows or magazines.

What is fashionable or where fashion comes from is as unidentifiable anything. Some people will say that what's fashionable is what celebrities wear and what the gossip magazines show them wearing, other people will say it's what the actual fashion magazines say, other people will say it's what's in the high-street shops, other people will say it's what's in the boutiques in particular areas of Paris or London. The reality of it is that fashion is entirely subjective and is probably closer to art than anything else.

FanadMan

OP - a severly resounding Hell Yes!

Abi

Yes, it's a load of bollox. I'm sick of having the same mock efforts 'seen on the cat walk this season' in shops. It's ridiculous. That shyte might look good on your garden rake, but in reality, women have tits and arses. Not a body like a fúcking ruler.

If eclectic colours and shades and fabrics mean I'm devoid of all fashion sense, then so be it. I throw on what fits and what is comfortable, and that is tough going given that the shops heavily influence what the public wear. Block colours and suits are my comfort zone, but they're classic and will never fade out. This 80's revival shít does my nut in.

starviewadams

As much bollocks as every other hobby I suppose.

Just keeps people's minds occupied until they die.

FullblownRose

You can be highly intelligent in some ways and still lack commmon sense. Yeah, fashion is silly.

Pumpkinseeds

Oh God yes it's a load of nonsense. What kind of dim wit accepts that 'you adjust your body to fit the clothes, not the other way around':eek: Jesus H, some effeminate male and fat female mu mu wearing female fashion designers are laughing there way to the bank. As for those two imbeciles on that Irish fashion show, I don't know the name of it as I cringe with embarrassment for them and turn it off as soon as it comes on:rolleyes:

NIMAN

I also tend to be fashion-unconscious but really do think it is a load of nonsense.

I mean, take any trend such as the latest example now of skinny coloured jeans for men. A few start wearing them and they stand out from the crowd. Then everyone goes out a buy them, and then there are countless men wearing them in the streets. By their attempt to keep up with fashion they lose all individuality and become like the rest of the masses. This I don't understand. In fact, by deciding NOT to buy skinny jeans, you actually stand out from the crowd and look more of an individual who can think for themselves.

And the one that always proved that 'fashion' is nonsense for me was flares. Everyone wore them in the 70s, then later generations laughed at them as they were the worst thing ever. Then they come 'back into fashion'. If they were SO BAD originally, surely they should never be worn by anyone ever again? No?

Duggy747

I don't know why anyone would want to work in an industry like that. I know a few who do (and who deal with the Expose crowd and Brendan Courtney the odd time) and by the sounds of their tales, you deal with relentless amounts of shallow and vile pieces of work.

Fashion is a load of nonsense, the strive to be an individual when you're buying or wearing things somebody else recommended or deems to be of a certain season.

Red_Wake

qz wrote: »

I call it "Derelicte".

You can go "Derelicte" my balls :mad:

BraziliaNZ

I'm not the most fashionable person, but I do love fashion. Here in London you see all sorts of stuff, and tbh it's a breath of fresh air compared to Dublin where if you dress even a little bit differently you'll get lots of stick etc.

Loomis

Some things are nice. Some things aren't. It's completely subjective. The fashion world is like the art world; pretentious bollox.

Have you ever been unfortunate enough to see any of those ... Next Top Model shows? When critiquing the models, the judges say stuff like "we want more ummm but you were giving us ahhhh'.
How these morons come out with that rubbish with a straight face is beyond me.

Mr Benevolent

OP I really hope you don't pay for your OH's fashion trends.

'Bitches be crazy.'
- George Bernard Shaw

--Kaiser--

In my mind style and fashion are two distinct concepts.
Style is looking good, sometimes coincides with fashion
Fashion is following trends, sometimes coincides with style

Personally I couldn't give a sh1t about what is fashionable, I wear what I think looks good

--Kaiser--

Oh and a word of advice for women, if you can't walk in high heels with a certain amount of grace then don't wear them*. Walking around like Bambi on ice is not attractive

*(apart from the fact that they're stupid yokes anyway)

Neewbie_noob

mfceiling wrote: »

Sitting watching tele with herself last night and she's watching "Off The Rails". They were talking about someone who's a "face designer" - taking that to be someone who puts make up on women's faces and not a plastic surgeon. They were going on about how she worked for some of the world's biggest fashion houses Is it not all a big pile of sh*te?

Standing in a fancy shop in dublin with herself one day (she's buying a voucher for her brother). Sales man comes up to me and starts yapping about this years trends and what is in fashion. He then asks me about my "winter wardrobe". I told him it's the same as my summer wardrobe only i wear a coat as well (still not sure why a man needs separate wardrobes for each season).

Missus and me are out for dinner with friends of hers one night and they are going on about clothes/fashion etc. One of them mentions a "winter white" coat she had bought. I asked her what exactly is winter white. She tells me "it's cream but it's more winter white than cream"......cue vigorous nodding from all the women.

Seriously is fashion not just a load of balls?

I wear a polo t-shirt and jeans, usually Tesco-bought. Not for fashion reasons, just so I'm not arrested for indecent exposure.
My girlfriend and people in college don't give a shit what I wear, and neither do I.

gobnaitolunacy

They won't listen to ya, everyone will think you're a lesbanian if you wear flats!

Neewbie_noob

Spiritual wrote: »

Yes but people won't admit it. There is some serious rubbish out there that people try to pass off as fashion.

Skinny jeans on men, need I go on.

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Neewbie_noob

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

They won't listen to ya, everyone will think you're a lesbanian if you wear flats!

I prefer girls in flats or dollies. Heels do nothing for men, Why do girls go out of their way to end up being taller than most of the guys they'll be seeing that night ?? It boggles the mind. Don't get me started on fake tan. I don't like tanned girls, full stop. Even when it's done correctly. Irish girls are not meant to be tanned, just like African people should not have ginger hair.

decies

I think you can enjoy clothes but not follow the crowd , I hate those giant sunglasses on woman think they look stupid . At one stage everybody was wearing the same coloured jumpers from the likes of hilfigger etc. Just be individual people !!

OnTheCouch

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

In my mind style fashion are two distinct concepts.
Style is looking good, sometimes coincides with fashion
Fashion is following trends, sometimes coincides with style

Personally I couldn't give a sh1t about what is fashionable, I wear what I think looks good

Very true, huge difference between the two and only every so often do they actually 'coincide' as you correctly point out.

This also has the effect of people who are not so bothered with the clothes scene in general confusing the concepts, so someone who likes to look good is labelled as being 'into fashion.'

enda1

The real question is, 'Is the conservative Irish male a tiring and repetitive bore?'.

Why do so many people on here react so defensively against people's appearance? Why do you feel the need to knock and mock people for deciding to dress a certain way? Do you not realise that you wearing your schoolshoes and schoolbag to work, and your shirt and bootcut jeans over slip-on base london beige leather shoes is also a highly stereotypical "fashion"?

A bit of self-reflection and thought I think needs to be considered.

Cupcake_Crisis

OP, if you really think fashion is a load of bollocks would you be happy for your missus to completely disregard fashion alltogether? Pay absolutely no attention to trends at all, be it clothes, make up r hair? I don't think you would be very happy in fairness...

It's in our genes to preen ourselves so that we look healthy and attractive. If you have no interest in it, perhaps you have subconsciously (or consciously) removed your seed from circulation having accepted that reproduction of it is out of the question.

Just a thought.

--Kaiser--

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

It's in our genes to preen ourselves so that we look healthy and attractive. If you have no interest in it, perhaps you have subconsciously (or consciously) removed your seed from circulation having accepted that reproduction of it is out of the question.

Just a thought.

Fashion does not equal looking good

Ush1

Women dress to impress other women.
Blokes dress to look good for women/don't give a sh*te.

If women want to look good for men it's very simple, wear a push up bra and as little as possible.

--Kaiser--

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Fashion does not equal looking good

It kind of does. You don't see too many gents floating around town in top-hats with a monocle these days.

enda1

Ush1 wrote: »

Women dress to impress other women.
Blokes dress to look good for women/don't give a sh*te.

If women want to look good for men it's very simple, wear a push up bra and as little as possible.

Bullshit to be honest

Ush1

enda1 wrote: »

Bull**** to be honest

Which part is bullsh*t?

Tomk1

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

OP, if you really think fashion is a load of bollocks would you be happy for your missus to completely disregard fashion alltogether? Pay absolutely no attention to trends at all, be it clothes, make up r hair? I don't think you would be very happy in fairness...

If she keeps him warm at night (n'Vice versa), & they're happy togather, who cares what they wear, thankfully most people are not pretentious gits.
It's not what you wear on the skin but what you wear under it, I hope respect and kindness comes into fashion, wait scatch that fashion is just a passing phase.

enda1

Ush1 wrote: »

Women dress to impress other women.
Blokes dress to look good for women/don't give a sh*te.

If women want to look good for men it's very simple, wear a push up bra and as little as possible.

Ush1 wrote: »

Which part is bullsh*t?

People dress well for many and various reasons.

Wome who wear pushup bras and as little as possible are generally 16-20 year old underconfident children who stand shivering like Bambis on Dame street on a Saturday morning. It is not ultimately attractive, just a lustful fantasy. A well dressed women confident in herself is far more appealing.

Tomk1

Tomk1 wrote: »

If she keeps him warm at night (n'Vice versa), & they're happy togather, who cares what they wear, thankfully most people are not pretentious gits.
It's not what you wear on the skin but what you wear under it, I hope respect and kindness comes into fashion, wait scatch that fashion is just a passing phase.

Respect and kindness are absolutely irrelevant when it comes to fashion. Are you trying to say that to take care in your appearance automatically turns you into a disrespectful and unkind person?

Living your life the way that you see fit is to be commended, but why hold contempt to others who are simply doing the same, although in a different fashion to you?

Ush1

enda1 wrote: »

People dress well for many and various reasons.

Wome who wear pushup bras and as little as possible are generally 16-20 year old underconfident children who stand shivering like Bambis on Dame street on a Saturday morning. It is not ultimately attractive, just a lustful fantasy. A well dressed women confident in herself is far more appealing.

:rolleyes: Yeah, sure buddy. A woman with a nice arse and short skirt and tits out will get far more attention than other women from blokes in a nightclub.

Lustful fantasy whatever, those are the facts.

--Kaiser--

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

It kind of does. You don't see too many gents floating around town in top-hats with a monocle these days.

Either a top hat and a monocle looks good or it doesn't. The fact that it's in fashion or not shouldn't make a difference

Ush1

Ush1 wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yeah, sure buddy. A woman with a nice arse and short skirt and tits out will get far more attention than other women from blokes in a nightclub.

Lustful fantasy whatever, those are the facts.

To some people, attention from all the "blokes" in a nightclub is an extremely bad thing.

BrensBenz

The fashion industry is to be greatly admired because, for decades or perhaps centuries, it has achieved the almost impossible, i.e. being able to make fortunes by telling its customers what they want and that what the customer already has is "out". There is also a huge support industry, i.e. Xpose, airhead magazines, etc. relaying vital, all important scoops about the latest must haves to the hoards of gullible (don't want to get into a gender war but) young women and the few young men who spend too long in front of mirrors.

We would not accept this from any other industry. Have a look back at some of the ridiculous creations that the fashion industry persuaded us to buy. So hats off to the fashion industry. Oh, are hats still in?

As a side note, I was interviewing recently and a male candidate arrived in what I assume was a cool, hip, trendy and probably expensive suit. His qualifications and experience were fair / not quite good enough but the panel scored him lowest. "Did you see that suit?" "Jacket didn't cover his belt." "How did he get it on?" Yes, I know that's unprofessional but, next year, when the fashion industry tells him to replace his suit, he'll look at it and say "What was I thinking?"

enda1

Ush1 wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yeah, sure buddy. A woman with a nice arse and short skirt and tits out will get far more attention than other women from blokes in a nightclub.

Lustful fantasy whatever, those are the facts.

And where did I state that that was untrue? Maybe reread what I posted.

Also nightclubs are not a cross-section of society.
Nightclubs are not the only place to meet a potential partner.
Nightclubs are not the only place men and women meet in a social context.

eviltwin

Fashion is as much about fun and a bit of escapism than anything else. I watch shows like Off The Rails the odd time, not cause I have any interest in seeing whats "on tread for winter" or "fashion forward" or any of that stuff, its just fun to see the clothes and see how different things work etc etc.

I buy nearly all my stuff in Pennys, H&M etc so I'm never going to be in a position to buy any of that stuff anyway.

I suppose its like the way some people watch holiday shows or car shows despite not being able to afford whats on offer.

Ush1

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

To some people, attention from all the "blokes" in a nightclub is an extremely bad thing.

Yep, that's why a lot of women dress to impress other women.

BrensBenz

BrensBenz wrote: »

The fashion industry is to be greatly admired because, for decades or perhaps centuries, it has achieved the almost impossible, i.e. being able to make fortunes by telling its customers what they want and that what the customer already has is "out". There is also a huge support industry, i.e. Xpose, airhead magazines, etc. relaying vital, all important scoops about the latest must haves to the hoards of gullible (don't want to get into a gender war but) young women and the few young men who spend too long in front of mirrors.

We would not accept this from any other industry. Have a look back at some of the ridiculous creations that the fashion industry persuaded us to buy. So hats off to the fashion industry. Oh, are hats still in?

As a side note, I was interviewing recently and a male candidate arrived in what I assume was a cool, hip, trendy and probably expensive suit. His qualifications and experience were fair / not quite good enough but the panel scored him lowest. "Did you see that suit?" "Jacket didn't cover his belt." "How did he get it on?" Yes, I know that's unprofessional but, next year, when the fashion industry tells him to replace his suit, he'll look at it and say "What was I thinking?"

I think you're missing the whole point of competitive consumerism in the modern age. I would imagine your house would be styled according to modern tastes, and that your clothes are also. Or are you sitting in animal skin, surrounded by finger paintings of cows?

Ush1

enda1 wrote: »

And where did I state that that was untrue? Maybe reread what I posted.

Also nightclubs are not a cross-section of society.
Nightclubs are not the only place to meet a potential partner.
Nightclubs are not the only place men and women meet in a social context.

Erm, right here:

enda1 wrote: »

Bullshit to be honest

I don't get your point about nightclubs. You're saying I'm right and wrong? Or that those women getting blokes all over them, it would only happen in a nightclub and nowhere else?

--Kaiser--

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Either a top hat or a monacle look good or it doesn't. The fact that it's in fashion or not shouldn't make a difference

My point being that you're viewing fashion on an extremely micro, as opposed to a macro, scale. The slight differences in the cut or shape of a pair of jeans doesn't take away from the fact that absolutely everyone is wearing pretty similar looking jeans when you get down to it. What you are essentially complaining about are extremely minor differences in taste.