Traffic light junctions with turn filter light

kaimera

I hit this one going to work every day

http://goo.gl/maps/E1LHH

and it's a ****ing horrible light setup.

Straight ahead gets a green arrow and when the right turn filter light comes on, maybe 5 cars get thru and in the morning there's a massive backlog of cars trying to turn.

So on my wee lil 600, I pop up the inside and I will turn right if the pedestrian light on the right is red and there is no oncoming traffic even if there is no turn light.

Legalities aside I guess, being on a bike I can make the turn quicker and safer (imo) than a car would (based on cars being slow to move off in comparison to a bike) - do other folks do similar?

If the light timing were better I wouldn't need to. And don't get me started on the lights that don't work with the bike on the sensor.

Del2005

Why do you need to break the law to make the turn? Just drive to the front of the queue., which you appear to be doing, and go when you get the filter light.

It would be a different story if it was a sensor light a bike can't trip, but there are plenty of cars on this junction.

Peanut2011

Del2005 wrote: »

Why do you need to break the law to make the turn? Just drive to the front of the queue., which you appear to be doing, and go when you get the filter light.

It would be a different story if it was a sensor light a bike can't trip, but there are plenty of cars on this junction.

+1

I would go to top of the queue and wait for the light.

http://goo.gl/maps/E1LHH

If you spin the cam around maybe that's you going the other way!

Pataman

Please dont break the law, bikers get a bad enough rap without doing that. Just wait at the front of the queue.

Cienciano

Personally I'd just do what Del2005 said, drive to the front and wait.
If only 5 cars get through it doesn't matter cos you're at the front.

It's the lights that takes ages to change that really annoy me. If you turn right here: http://goo.gl/maps/WpqPm where the Neylon van is, you can be stopped at the lights for 5 minutes. Sometimes I think the light is broken it takes so long and there's no one coming in the other directions.

kaimera

Don't get me wrong guys, I don't blow thru the lights all the time.

If ya know the road and junction, most of the oncoming traffic turns left there yet there's not even a solid green light to let us turning right move if safe to do so. More annoying than anything else; hence I'll move on the green into the junction box and if the ped light isn't red and no traffic is coming, I'll move.

Cars, vans, taxis (who have cut me off to turn) - it's just a poxy set of lights for turning right at.

Cienciano

kaimera wrote: »

Don't get me wrong guys, I don't blow thru the lights all the time.

If ya know the road and junction, most of the oncoming traffic turns left there yet there's not even a solid green light to let us turning right move if safe to do so. More annoying than anything else; hence I'll move on the green into the junction box and if the ped light isn't red and no traffic is coming, I'll move.

Cars, vans, taxis (who have cut me off to turn) - it's just a poxy set of lights for turning right at.

Yeah, yeah, we know what you're like. Driving past the police station (or "bacon station" as you call it) beeping your horn and giving the fingers to the "pigs". Probably on your way to the local primary school to sell crack.

kaimera

Cienciano wrote: »

Yeah, yeah, we know what you're like. Driving past the police station (or "bacon station" as you call it) beeping your horn and giving the fingers to the "pigs". Probably on your way to the local primary school to sell crack.

****er, I actually lolled in the school office. :pac:

paddy147

kaimera wrote: »

Don't get me wrong guys, I don't blow thru the lights all the time.

If ya know the road and junction, most of the oncoming traffic turns left there yet there's not even a solid green light to let us turning right move if safe to do so. More annoying than anything else; hence I'll move on the green into the junction box and if the ped light isn't red and no traffic is coming, I'll move.

Cars, vans, taxis (who have cut me off to turn) - it's just a poxy set of lights for turning right at.

You shouldnt really be "blowing through" any junction at all.... your own safety and being alert for other road users.



Oh and that junction at Clontarf is a nightmare indeed.

The timming of the lights does not allow or compensate for such a large junction and then cars opposite getting the green light.

There was an accident there last month where a van had entered the junction as the lights had just turned red,and more or less immediately the other road got the grren light and a car T-Boned the van.


Serco need to come out and delay the timming of the traffic lights longer to allow for any traffic in the junction and yellow box to safely clear the junction.

Del2005

paddy147 wrote: »

You shouldnt really be "blowing through" any junction at all.... your own safety and being alert for other road users.



Oh and that junction at Clontarf is a nightmare indeed.

The timming of the lights does not allow or compensate for such a large junction and then cars opposite getting the green light.

There was an accident there last month where a van had entered the junction as the lights had just turned red,and more or less immediately the other road got the grren light and a car T-Boned the van.


Serco need to come out and delay the timming of the traffic lights longer to allow for any traffic in the junction and yellow box to safely clear the junction.

The only thing that needs to be done to the junction is people remember the law. Green means proceed with caution, not floor it. A vehicle which has entered a junction on a green light has right of way, even if the lights have turned red on them.

daenerysstormborn3

paddy147 wrote: »

You shouldnt really be "blowing through" any junction at all.... your own safety and being alert for other road users.



Oh and that junction at Clontarf is a nightmare indeed.

The timming of the lights does not allow or compensate for such a large junction and then cars opposite getting the green light.

There was an accident there last month where a van had entered the junction as the lights had just turned red,and more or less immediately the other road got the grren light and a car T-Boned the van.


Serco need to come out and delay the timming of the traffic lights longer to allow for any traffic in the junction and yellow box to safely clear the junction.

Was the car driver blind? How can you not see something as big as a van right in front of you?? It makes me despair for what little hope we have of being seen.

paddy147

Del2005 wrote: »

The only thing that needs to be done to the junction is people remember the law. Green means proceed with caution, not floor it. A vehicle which has entered a junction on a green light has right of way, even if the lights have turned red on them.

There is allways a steady line of traffic that takes that right hand junction.

Its a long and large junction and I see it on a daily basis that cars who have entered the junction and are turning get caught out by the speed of the lights changing.

Its green when you are going into the junction,but then its red and the green light for the other traffic is more or less activated.

They is no delay at all to allow any traffic allready in the junction and turning right to clear the junction safely.

Even a garda who I know in Clontarf Garda Station has said the same thing about that particular junction.


In his own words..."That junctions a fcuking nightmare most days".

paddy147

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Was the car driver blind? How can you not see something as big as a van right in front of you?? It makes me despair for what little hope we have of being seen.

Small dark blue Inca van to be precise...and 7pm in the evening,so it was dark



Its to do with the length/distance of the junction and the timming of the traffic light system on that entire junction.

You have to drive that junction to understand it...which my missus does on an allmost daily basis.


Kaimera is bang on the money here with regards that junction and traffic light system.....Its fcuking horrible in how its set up.

daenerysstormborn3

paddy147 wrote: »

Small dark blue Inca van to be precise...and 7pm in the evening,so it was dark



Its to do with the length/distance of the junction and the timming of the traffic light system on that entire junction.

You have to drive that junction to understand it...which my missus does on an allmost daily basis.


Kaimera is bang on the money here with regards that junction and traffic light system.....Its fcuking horrible in how its set up.

I lived in Clontarf for a year, I know the junction well. No traffic light set up, time of the day or colour of vehicle excuses the kind of stupidity that makes a car driver hit a van sitting right in front of him.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Top of the que, wait for the green and blast it up the Alfie Byrne Road

I lived in East Wall when that road first opened, it was brilliant before the junction at the East Point Business Pk.. I used to imagine I was on the Craner Curves in Donington :cool:

Del2005

paddy147 wrote: »

There is allways a steady line of traffic that takes that right hand junction.

Its a long and large junction and I see it on a daily basis that cars who have entered the junction and are turning get caught out by the speed of the lights changing.

Its green when you are going into the junction,but then its red and the green light for the other traffic is more or less activated.

They is no delay at all to allow any traffic allready in the junction and turning right to clear the junction safely.

Even a garda who I know in Clontarf Garda Station has said the same thing about that particular junction.


In his own words..."That junctions a fcuking nightmare most days".

The people going on green when there is already a vehicle in the junction are wrong. The law is clear that green means proceed with caution, if they enter the junction then they have broken the law, that's how the vehicle in the junction gets clear.

No offence to the Garda, but a lot of them have less idea of the law than we do. If they sit at the junction for a few days enforcing the law motorists would soon stop breaking it. That includes 2 vehicles entering the junction to turn right and the vehicles entering when another vehicle has control of the junction. It's the fact that there is nearly zero enforcement of traffic laws, apart from DUI and exceeding the posted limit, which leads to the issue at the junction.