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Super report, desperately unlucky. Hope the stomach is sorted though as I don't want you blowing chunks in Limerick
@ rasher, not sure who you refer to but in my opinion, off the back of blocky's HM in Bohermeen he was right to go for a sub 3 attempt. Maybe the lesson for all of us that continue to push for better times is to step back from that if conditions are not favourable. That said, far easier to do that in a 5k than a marathon.
I'm sorry in my opinion I didn't see the rush. I read some of the threads from people who have successful races most of the time and the common denominator is that they take things in increments.
Blocky is running about a year and a bit. Hes on his second marathon with the first just 6 months ago. Hes trying to PB by over 30 mins (i think) after an already fast enough time. Hes not in a club and he doesn't have a coach.
He had plans to do two other marathons this year as well. Hes 25 and he has loads of time to get under 3 hrs or better and I agree with everyone here that he defo has it in him.0 -
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I'm sorry in my opinion I didn't see the rush. I read some of the threads from people who have successful races most of the time and the common denominator is that they take things in increments.
Blocky is running about a year and a bit. Hes on his second marathon with the first just 6 months ago. Hes trying to PB by over 30 mins (i think) after an already fast enough time. Hes not in a club and he doesn't have a coach.
He had plans to do two other marathons this year as well. Hes 25 and he has loads of time to get under 3 hrs or better and I agree with everyone here that he defo has it in him.
I'm interested in your point of view on this.
Would you have the same opinion of a runner who ran their first marathon in say 4 hours and was now going for a 3:30 as training has gone well?
Should I have not run at a marathon race pace that my training/ tune up races suggested I was capable of?
If not, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of racing? Why go out there and not run your best in an A goal race...0 -
I'm interested in your point of view on this. Would you have the same opinion of a runner who ran their first marathon in say 4 hours and was now going for a 3:30 as training has gone well?
Should I have not run at a marathon race pace that my training/ tune up races suggested I was capable of?
If not, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of racing? Why go out there and not run your best in an A goal race...
I'm sorry Blocky I must be coming across as some smart arse or a bitter/jealous cow with an injury and also a slow coach
I really have your best intentions at heart.
My opinion and I do stress its my opinion ...is that theres a big difference between 3.30 - 2.57 and 4.00 to 3.30. If the under 3 hr marathon was so attainable then everyone would be doing it. I'm willing to guess that theres a far greater turn over of the latter time.
I'm not a pro and i know everyone is different and capable of whatever depending on their health and age etc.
Reading logs of people with a good history and minimum injury, they seems to take it in small increments especially those who have a few marathons lined up a year.
You could try and pb but do you need to pb by as much as possible and at all costs especially in a marathon where as you said it can be cruel.
You're 25 and most people aren't even thinking of running this distance at your age so you're already ahead of the posse like.0 -
I'm interested in your point of view on this. Would you have the same opinion of a runner who ran their first marathon in say 4 hours and was now going for a 3:30 as training has gone well?
Should I have not run at a marathon race pace that my training/ tune up races suggested I was capable of?
If not, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of racing? Why go out there and not run your best in an A goal race...
My work here is done!!!0 -
I'm sorry Blocky I must be coming across as some smart arse or a bitter/jealous cow with an injury and also a slow coach
I really have your best intentions at heart.
My opinion and I do stress its my opinion ...is that theres a big difference between 3.30 - 2.57 and 4.00 to 3.30. If the under 3 hr marathon was so attainable then everyone would be doing it. I'm willing to guess that theres a far greater turn over of the latter time.
I'm not a pro and i know everyone is different and capable of whatever depending on their health and age etc.
Reading logs of people with a good history and minimum injury, they seems to take it in small increments especially those who have a few marathons lined up a year.
You could try and pb but do you need to pb by as much as possible and at all costs especially in a marathon where as you said it can be cruel.
You're 25 and most people aren't even thinking of running this distance at your age so you're already ahead of the posse like.
I wouldn't overlook the huge difference in training that blocky done this time round. For Dublin he done HHN2 which in the whole scheme of things is quite basic yet he still went sub 3:30 for his first marathon.
I made a comparison between blockic and Krusty Clown earlier in this log because Krusty done a similar time first time out. But if you compare the training that both done for those marathons blockic would be made look almost lazy! (no offence blockic!). So I think it was obvious that blockic had a good improvement in him. His half time a few weeks ago made sub 3 look very achievable.
I would agree that there is a difference In someone going from 4hrs to 3:30 and someone going from 3:30 to sub 3. But there is also a difference in comparing someone who has already improved from 4:30 say down to 3:30 over a few marathons and is now trying to go sub 3 with someone like blockic.
I think it's more of a case when you a trying for harder times you need a little bit of luck to go your way because there is a lot less room for error. Had it been a few degrees cooler on Sunday blockic's report would have almost been boring I reckon:D0 -
I think I understand where you're coming from Rasher with your "why the rush? you've plenty of time" question and I admire your bravery for asking the question around here.
Personally I understand why people want to be their best at any one time - you never know what's around the corner so why postpone being your best?
Sometimes we'll overreach (not so much in Blockic's case here, that was largely external factors) but that's more a reflection on our ability to estimate required effort vs available energy. So that's where experience comes in.
Anyway I'm not much of an advocate for holding back.0 -
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I'm sorry Blocky I must be coming across as some smart arse or a bitter/jealous cow with an injury and also a slow coach
I really have your best intentions at heart.
My opinion and I do stress its my opinion ...is that theres a big difference between 3.30 - 2.57 and 4.00 to 3.30. If the under 3 hr marathon was so attainable then everyone would be doing it. I'm willing to guess that theres a far greater turn over of the latter time.
I'm not a pro and i know everyone is different and capable of whatever depending on their health and age etc.
Reading logs of people with a good history and minimum injury, they seems to take it in small increments especially those who have a few marathons lined up a year.
You could try and pb but do you need to pb by as much as possible and at all costs especially in a marathon where as you said it can be cruel.
You're 25 and most people aren't even thinking of running this distance at your age so you're already ahead of the posse like.
I think it's great to see these posts that challenge and make us think a bit.
In this case, Blockics training and past races reaffirmed his ability for sub 3, but that's not to say that there won't be occasions when he and others may need to take a look in the mirror. (Like when he stops talking to us here on boards 'cos the Olympic council forbid it............or something)0 -
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I'm sorry Blocky I must be coming across as some smart arse or a bitter/jealous cow with an injury and also a slow coach
I really have your best intentions at heart.
Not at all, I just think it's good to get people's different opinions on things so wanted to dig deeper into your thought process.
I suppose I wouldn't really see it as a jump from 3:30 to under 3. I feel I underachieved in Dublin and to an extent, I didn't mind. I had a 1:32 half going into DCM so I really should have been closed to 3:20 rather than 3:30. But as a first marathon, I was really there just to enjoy it. HHN2 just didn't give me enough mileage/LSR distances to bring a 3:20 to fruition.
So starting this cycle I felt I was more off a 3:20 base.
After Bohermeen If I had targeted a 3:10 marathon and achieved it would I have been happy? Probably not. As I said in my report, the 'what if I tried for sub 3' question would have been bouncing around in addition to not knowing if at this point of time I was in sub 3 shape. I would never had known.
I'm glad I went for it. Better to try and not succeed that to not try at all.You're 25 and most people aren't even thinking of running this distance at your age so you're already ahead of the posse like.
I'm older than that!!:D You should check out ecoli's log. 2:30 target for his first!! :eek:My work here is done!!!
I blame Gavlor for it all anyway!
Had it been a few degrees cooler on Sunday blockic's report would have almost been boring I reckon:D
I'm here to entertain! :cool:0 -
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There's not, it's all relative to the individual.
The reason why not everybody is doing it is two threefold.
Firstly they may not be built or have the little natural talent required, blockic obviously does.
Secondly, they don't have the required training/race times. Blockic does.
Thirdly they have't got the balls to go for it, blockic does.
This may sound a bit corny but I treat every marathon as if it's my last. You don't know what's around the corner, you could get injured or life circumstances change so that you can no longer do the required training. With that in mind sometimes you need to go for it. Lets say he finished in 3.05 and developed a serious injury down the line. There would always be that doubt "could I have gone sub 3" well even though it didn't work out you obviously did everything right and are a sub 3hr runner in all but the official time. I'd rather a DNF than a PB that I wasn't happy with
I'll look at everyones posts who are challenging me later...I have to go into town and buy a false nail for my bald toe. :pac:
In the meantime, TRR....you build up to yours, at one stage you had one planned for two years away and you have a hell of a lot of experience. Ecoli is the same. MS, meno etc...they're all doing it gradually in my opinion and all very capable and talented and rational and in clubs, loads of experience and being coached.
I dont agree about the differences between 3.30 etc.
I wreckon theres a huge difference.
That scenario is ridiculous, if he went for 3.05, in his next marathon he could go for 2.59 etc which isn't long to wait. Saying he could get injured or get hit by a bus etc...it doesn't wash.
I stand to what I said earlier. :P
Though I think this is all getting old now and I don't know if I can type and reply to probably the whole site soon. Ha.:eek: 0 -
StephenRooney wrote: »“Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.”
T.s. Eliot
Hope you practice what you preach there!
I wont be reading your report unless you hit the decks with drips coming out of ya and an ambulance in tow. :pac:
Just joking 0 -
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onwards and upwards now J 
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