The Academies

opinionatedfan

I would think we need to identify a guy in the next year or so.

Haven't been very impressed by anyone coming out of schools lately.

ormond lad

opinionatedfan wrote: »

thanks, would be pretty surprising if Sean McCarthy didn't make the academy aswell right?

Also what height would you put either O'Shea or Madigan at?

Madigan is 6'6+. Don't know much about O'Shea.
Would it really? Id rate Madigan and O'Shea as better than McCarthy except McCarthy has had the added publicity that playing in an A school competing in the Senior Cupbrings.

Stanza2 wrote: »

Madigan is about 6'7" a great talent, was an Irish youth player last year. He has a great future in the game.

Very good future. Helped by how his father played top level club rugby in 70s with Bohs and how he is just a monstrous kid.

backgreen wrote: »

niall horan also in academy

opinionatedfan wrote: »

I would think we need to identify a guy in the next year or so.
Haven't been very impressed by anyone coming out of schools lately.

Think between Youths and Schools there will be a few talented youngsters coming through in the next year or two if this years under 17 youths competition and schools and youths under 18 interpros go and have gone.

opinionatedfan

Just a sense I got that McCarthy was highly rated down that way.

I think Rock or McCarthy could be possible prospects for the academy but they both have a lot to work on to get there in my opinion. Luckily both are leaving school as under-18's, gives them a lot of time before they are overage for u20's rugby. Which seems to be the cutoff point at Leinster for an academy spot.

Rory Scannell got a Munster academy spot according to James Cronin on twitter. Not really a surprise.

Creeby

Any word on Leinster academy offers?

opinionatedfan

Creeby wrote: »

Any word on Leinster academy offers?

If your looking for an official announcement you'll be waiting awhile.

RobbieRuns

I don't think that any Academy makes "official" announcements.

opinionatedfan

RobbieRuns wrote: »

I don't think that any Academy makes "official" announcements.

They do, usually around June. Well at least Munster and Leinster do officially.

RobbieRuns

I thought that they even wait until the interpro's were completed before deciding on full numbers, particularly Sub Academies?

opinionatedfan

RobbieRuns wrote: »

I thought that they even wait until the interpro's were completed before deciding on full numbers, particularly Sub Academies?

yeah sub-academy isn't ever announced, but the full academy members usually are announced and added to the website etc.

ormond lad

RobbieRuns wrote: »

I thought that they even wait until the interpro's were completed before deciding on full numbers, particularly Sub Academies?

Vast majority of places decided before Septembers interpros. Players wanted to train over summer full time before colleges back
Sub Academy changes the whole time and numbers vary depending on time of year.

lurtz

ormond lad wrote: »

Vast majority of places decided before Septembers interpros. Players wanted to train over summer full time before colleges back
Sub Academy changes the whole time and numbers vary depending on time of year.

this year for the sub academy leinster have introduced contracts I hear

opinionatedfan

lurtz wrote: »

this year for the sub academy leinster have introduced contracts I hear

interesting development.

ormond lad

Don't know anything more on academy contracts but Dan Goggin and Lee Nicolas who were both in Munchins this year have been added to the Munster Sub Academy

opinionatedfan

Rory Parata chose connacht apparently.

lurtz

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Rory Parata chose connacht apparently.

well I presume you're just saying that cos hes on the A team, havent heard anything either way but it would seem like hes going west alright

opinionatedfan

Parata to Connacht confirmed by his dad on connachtclan.

Had some interesting comments about how fast kids were brought through at Connacht versus Munster, specifying the B&I cup in particular as the next step after the AIL.

backgreen

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Parata to Connacht confirmed by his dad on connachtclan.

Had some interesting comments about how fast kids were brought through at Connacht versus Munster, specifying the B&I cup in particular as the next step after the AIL.

he was more or less saying that he's son got 15 min of B&I last week from Connacht,which he would't have got from Munster

opinionatedfan

backgreen wrote: »

he was more or less saying that he's son got 15 min of B&I last week from Connacht,which he would't have got from Munster

His overall point is a valid one though.

Look at the average age of Munster's B&I team versus the average age of Leinster's last week.

Mahatma Geansai

opinionatedfan wrote: »

His overall point is a valid one though.

Look at the average age of Munster's B&I team versus the average age of Leinster's last week.

There is a little over a year difference in the average ages of both teams. All of the older Munster players have younger players ahead of them in the pecking order too.

opinionatedfan

Leinster's starting back line was younger in every position apart from 10 where they were the same age.

Age gap of at least 5 years at the same position, Munster had 2 players 5 years younger than their opposite.
Leinster had 5 players 5 years or younger.

Munster's 2: 25 years old, Munster's 30 years old
Munster's 6: 30 years old, Leinster's: 22 years old and was replaced early in the game by an 18 year old.
Munster's 7: 26 years old, Leinster's: 20 years old
Munster's 8: 23 years old, Leinster's 28 years old
Munster's 9: 27 years old, Leinster's: 20 years old
Munster's 13: 23 years old, Leinster's: 18 years old
Munster's 15: 24 years old, Leinster's: 20 years old

Winters

Leavy was awesome in the SCT final last year. To see him playing for Leinster A and holding his own only a wet year into the academy is great. Does he play solely at 6?

I would find it hard to find another academy system that has produced as many rugby Internationals as the Irish Academies have per capita.

Edit. I'm just waiting for someone to mention BNZ.

Bogota

Leinster have some exciting players coming through at the moment : Adam Byrne, Billy Dardis, Gilsenan, Leavy, JVDF

Add those to Luke McGrath and Jordi Murphy and its really hard not to get very excited.

lurtz

Winters wrote: »

Leavy was awesome in the SCT final last year. To see him playing for Leinster A and holding his own only a wet year into the academy is great. Does he play solely at 6?

I would find it hard to find another academy system that has produced as many rugby Internationals as the Irish Academies have per capita.

Edit. I'm just waiting for someone to mention BNZ.

he's capable of playing across the backrow

irishbucsfan

To be fair we're concentrating the majority of the Irish rugby population into the Leinster academy. So as awesome as it is, we have fantastic playing resources coming in every year as well.

lurtz

corey hircock going back to bedford blues from munster academy

case885

Any great 13s coming through?

opinionatedfan

case885 wrote: »

Any great 13s coming through?

maybe Adam Byrne at Leinster.

Plays 13 and wing. Only 18 and started the B&I semi final last weekend at 13.

I'd like to see what Start Olding could do at 13.

case885

opinionatedfan wrote: »

maybe Adam Byrne at Leinster.

Plays 13 and wing. Only 18 and started the B&I semi final last weekend at 13.

I'd like to see what Start Olding could do at 13.

Great talent but with Jackson at 10 and Marshall at 12 he will find it hard to get game time in them positions so 13 should definitely be looked at alright

opinionatedfan

Under-20s Squad.

Leinster Academy
Edward Bryne - Prop
Brian Byrne - Hooker
Gavin Thornbury - Lock
Dan Leavy - Flanker
Josh Van Der Flier - Flanker
Luke McGrath - Scrumhalf

Ulster Academy
Jake Caulfield - Prop
Conor Joyce - Flanker
Rory Scholes - Fullback

Munster Academy
Ryan Murphy - Flanker
Darren Sweetnam - Fullback

Peter Dooley - Prop(rumored to be joining Leinster Academy this summer)
Adam Boland - Prop
Niall Horan - Prop(rumored to be joining Munster Academy this summer)
Brian Scott - Prop
Chris Taylor - Prop
John Andrew - Hooker
John Donnan - Lock
Sean McCarthy - Lock
Peadar Timmins - Flanker
John Creighton - Scrumhalf
David Shanahan - Scrumhalf
Steve Crosbie - Flyhalf(rumored to be joining Leinster Academy this summer)
Tom Daly - Centre(rumored to be joining Leinster Academy this summer)
Mark Roche - Centre
Rory Scannell - Centre(rumored to be joining Munster Academy this summer)
Max McFarland - Wing
David Panter - Fullback

lurtz

case885 wrote: »

Any great 13s coming through?

rory o'loughlin and andy marks are quality talents

Creeby

Has Mark Roche really been looked over by all these clubs? I know he had some ties with Connacht and Leinster in the past but surely an academy place is on the cards somewhere? I saw him play for Landsdowne firsts against Clontarf and he played a blinder getting mom in the end. Also won an under 21s championship with Landsdowne this year. Surely someone will snap him up?

RobbieRuns

Thought that Connacht had taken Roche on?

FellasFellas

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Thought that Connacht had taken Roche on?

He's played Eagles and 20's over there, nothing official yet.

opinionatedfan

lurtz wrote: »

rory o'loughlin and andy marks are quality talents

O'Loughlin's big chance is next season with the 20's.

Marks is still in school, pretty talented kid but failed to make the schools side this year.

Fergal Cleary has impressed at 13 when he played there for the schools side.

backgreen

FellasFellas wrote: »

He's played Eagles and 20's over there, nothing official yet.

yea ..played with the eagles his defence game needs to be tidied up...

opinionatedfan

Rumored lads to be joining the academies.

Munster
Niall Horan(LHP, 20, Shannon/Crescent Comprehensive)
Sean McCarthy(Lock, 20, Shannon/Rockwell)
Darren O'Shea(Lock, 21, Dolphin/Crosshaven RFC)
John Madigan(Lock, 19, Dolphin/Charleville)
Rory Scannell(Centre, 20, Dolphin/PBC Cork)
David Johnstone(Back 3, 19, UL Bohs/Rockwell)

Leinster
Peter Dooley(LHP, 18, Landsdowne/Birr)
Ross Molony(Lock, 19, St. Michaels)
Steve Crosbie(Flyhalf, 20, Old Belvedere/St.Gerrards)
Tom Daly(Centre, 20, Landsdowne/Carlow)
Adam Byrne(Centre/Wing, 18, UCD/Naas)
Billy Dardis(Fullback, 18, Terenure)

Connacht
Sean O'Brien(Lock, 19, Roscrea)
Rort Parata(Centre, 19, Rockwell)
Saba Meunargia (THP, 19, Marist College)
Jacob Walshe(LHP, 19, Roscrea)
James Connolly(Backrow, ?, IT Carlow RFC)

Ulster

Bogota

Pick of the bunch: Adam Byrne

Quint2010

Bogota wrote: »

Pick of the bunch: Adam Byrne

Yes considering he's already made an appearance for Leinster A and he's very physically developed. But I think Dardis could be equally as good if not better.

irishbucsfan

You can add Parata to Connacht, right?

lurtz

Jacob Walshe,Saba and James Connolly all meant to be going into Connacht academy

Bogota

Quint2010 wrote: »

Yes considering he's already made an appearance for Leinster A and he's very physically developed. But I think Dardis could be equally as good if not better.

Hes already made an appearance for the Leinster senior team!

Came on for last few minutes in a Rabo game, got one touch of the ball and beat four defenders :eek:

jamiedav2011

Bogota wrote: »

Hes already made an appearance for the Leinster senior team!

Came on for last few minutes in a Rabo game, got one touch of the ball and beat four defenders :eek:

Ah come on now, let's not go exaggerating!

.ak

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Ah come on now, let's not go exaggerating!

He beat 2 actually, but those facts have no place on these boards. BTW I'm renaming the forum to 'The Adam Byrne Rugby Forum'.

.ak

Looking forward to seeing Dardis in blue actually...

Hype710

The only reason Adam Byrne hasn't been included in the 20s squad is because he's waiting for a call up from Gatland.

pajunior

Hype710 wrote: »

The only reason Adam Byrne hasn't been included in the 20s squad is because he's waiting for a call up from Gatland.

Matching username, nice!

Hagz

Is UCD's Barry Daly involved in the sub Academy. The guy seems to be tearing it up for UCD.

backgreen

Hagz wrote: »

Is UCD's Barry Daly involved in the sub Academy. The guy seems to be tearing it up for UCD.

he was really good in the game v shannon yesterday

thebaz

backgreen wrote: »

he was really good in the game v shannon yesterday

was good in the u20's WC too, last year - surprised he hasnt been picked up

bamboozle

thebaz wrote: »

was good in the u20's WC too, last year - surprised he hasnt been picked up

he was offered Munster academy at start of this season