The Academies

Stainalert

irishfan9 wrote: »

Saw that fullback Colm Hogan, who was Munster U20 captain last season and has spent the season playing rugby in france while on erasmus has been voted captain of trinity for next season.

Trinity have some serious amount of fullbacks - Silvester, Jack Kelly & Hogan

irishfan9

Stainalert wrote: »

Trinity have some serious amount of fullbacks - Silvester, Jack Kelly & Hogan

I could see Silvester possibly being pulled into 7's rugby next season, but yeah if all three are playing for them next season that will be a serious back three.

Dubinusa

Whats
erasmus?

irishfan9

Dubinusa wrote: »

Whats
erasmus?

studying abroad for a year.

irishfan9

Biggest questions facing Leinster Academy?

1. LH Prop, do Leinster offer Jordan Duggan an academy place?
2. Hooker, is Dan Sheehan worth an academy place?
3. TH Prop, does Vakh get bumped to a dev contract?
4. Lock, does Dowling have a future at lock at the province? Could he move to 6?
5. Lock, how many locks join academy this season? 1? 2? 3?
6. Backrow, is Ronan Foley worth an academy place?
7. Backrow, do Leinster offer Scott Penny a place in the academy out of school?
8. Backrow, what to do with Max Kearney?
9. Scrumhalf, is either Paddy Patterson or James Kenny worth an academy place?
10. Outhalf, is Conor Dean worth an academy place?
11. Wing, should Terry Kennedy be retained by academy?
12. Centre, do Leinster offer David Hawkshaw a place in the academy out of school?
13. Centre, is Sean O'Brien worth an academy place?
14. Wing, should Hugo Keenan be retained by academy?
15. Fullback, can Leinster rugby get David Lacey to play rugby next season over GAA?

Buer

Dubinusa wrote: »

Whats
erasmus?

It's being in Ireland for a semester but f*cking off as soon as you get the course you really wanted back home.

arsebiscuits1

I think Harry Byrnes performances and Frawleys emergence as a genuine candidate have drastically hurt Deans chances for an Academy place

Hasn't overly impressed IMO

irishfan9

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I think Harry Byrnes performances and Frawleys emergence as a genuine candidate have drastically hurt Deans chances for an Academy place

Hasn't overly impressed IMO

Yeah I don't think he will but stranger things have happened.

Wegians89

What’s the he a story with max Kearney

irishfan9

Wegians89 wrote: »

What’s the he a story with max Kearney

named in Ireland u20 squad but never played, was part of Trinity's u20 all ireland winning team but didnt play AIL afaik.

too small for pro backrow IMO.

D14Rugby

Buer wrote: »

It's being in Ireland for a semester but f*cking off as soon as you get the course you really wanted back home.

That's not what it is at all, not even close.

Bazzo

D14Rugby wrote: »

That's not what it is at all, not even close.

Yeah




It's the current head coach of the Springboks and former Munster director of rugby.

prawnsambo

Bazzo wrote: »

Yeah




It's the current head coach of the Springboks and former Munster director of rugby.

No that's a Rassie. They give them out for the worst films and acting performances.

Buer

D14Rugby wrote: »

Buer wrote: »

It's being in Ireland for a semester but f*cking off as soon as you get the course you really wanted back home.

That's not what it is at all, not even close.

Sigh.

irishbucsfan

Buer wrote: »

Sigh.

Great effort to be fair, you can't account for bad taste

stellenbosch

irishfan9 wrote: »

I could see Silvester possibly being pulled into 7's rugby next season, but yeah if all three are playing for them next season that will be a serious back three.

Add in Brian Mollen as well-if hes available from 7s-if he is it will be Sylvester at 15 with Mollen and Hogan on wings and they will play Kelly at 13 as Michael Courtney this years captain is leaving having finished his Master in Engineering.

stellenbosch

irishfan9 wrote: »

named in Ireland u20 squad but never played, was part of Trinity's u20 all ireland winning team but didnt play AIL afaik.

too small for pro backrow IMO.

Had a magnificent game in U20s final-was released by Leinster sub academy-will feature in Trinity first team in UBL next season no doubt as there will be a large number leaving Trinity players leaving having finished their studies

irishfan9

stellenbosch wrote: »

Had a magnificent game in U20s final-was released by Leinster sub academy-will feature in Trinity first team in UBL next season no doubt as there will be a large number leaving Trinity players leaving having finished their studies

yeah no surprise he was released..

Wegians89

irishfan9 wrote: »

named in Ireland u20 squad but never played, was part of Trinity's u20 all ireland winning team but didnt play AIL afaik.

too small for pro backrow IMO.

Out of curiosity what sort of height and build would he be? I wouldn’t be too worried about having a short 7

irishfan9

Wegians89 wrote: »

Out of curiosity what sort of height and build would he be? I wouldn’t be too worried about having a short 7

listed at 5'10 91kg

Wegians89

irishfan9 wrote: »

listed at 5'10 91kg

Chris cloete is proof height is something you can work around. He’d probably have to add a few kg on

irishfan9

Wegians89 wrote: »

Chris cloete is proof height is something you can work around. He’d probably have to add a few kg on

cloete is a saffer they are built differently and also he is an exception.

prawnsambo

irishfan9 wrote: »

cloete is a saffer they are built differently and also he is an exception.

You make them sound like lego sets.

Openside flankers come in all shapes and sizes. There are a fair few under six foot tall that have been very successful: Steffon Armitage, Michael Hooper and George Smith come to mind.

Bazzo

prawnsambo wrote: »

You make them sound like lego sets.

Openside flankers come in all shapes and sizes. There are a fair few under six foot tall that have been very successful: Steffon Armitage, Michael Hooper and George Smith come to mind.

Yeah, you've never really had to be tall to be a 7, it can be an advantage to be shorter when jackaling with a lower centre of gravity. You do need to have the frame to put enough enough weight to be able to survive the clearout and not be run over in defence though.

RugbyRugby2016

See the independent article on St Michael (another one!) says Ryan Baird, Dunne, Byrne and Penny are going into the academy next season?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/leinster-school-attracting-overseas-interest-over-how-they-are-producing-so-many-irish-rugby-stars-36866387.html

irishfan9

no surprise on Dunne/Byrne.

Baird/Penny being fast tracked isn't that surprising either.

Interested to see what they do with Cormac Daly and Charlie Ryan.

Could they take 3 or even 4 2nd rows in the same class?

RugbyRugby2016

Agreed that its not too surprising. Seems like leinster are departing from the policy of making even the most promising of players spend one year in the sub academy.

irishfan9

RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »

Agreed that its not too surprising. Seems like leinster are departing from the policy of making even the most promising of players spend one year in the sub academy.

eh they only had the policy for about two seasons..

long history of players joining straight from school.

BigJimV

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

irishfan9

BigJimV wrote: »

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

as in go to Michaels in 1st year?

transferring after that.. i don't see happening..

you can still go to those schools and make it...

irishfan9

Told Cormac Daly also joining leinster academy.

Incoming class:

Jack Dunne(2nd Row) - St. Michaels/DUFC
Cormac Daly(2nd Row) - North Kildare RFC/Clontarf
Ryan Baird(2nd Row) - St. Michaels
Scott Penny(Openside) - St. Michaels
Harry Byrne(Outhalf) - St. Michaels/UCD

D14Rugby

BigJimV wrote: »

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

You might get some but to send a kid to a certain school considering how early you have to apply for these schools just in the hope they not only enjoy rugby but are really good at it would be very wishful thinking, that's even excluding other factors like the schools denomination, family history, travel, etc.

The Lost Sheep

BigJimV wrote: »

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

No. The best will be seen wherever they come from. And the 20 month rule(an excellent thing) will stop many from moving schools or from youths rugby going to a small number of schools like Michaels or whoever else

Ayewserious

irishfan9 wrote: »

Told Cormac Daly also joining leinster academy.

Incoming class:

Jack Dunne(2nd Row) - St. Michaels/DUFC
Cormac Daly(2nd Row) - North Kildare RFC/Clontarf
Ryan Baird(2nd Row) - St. Michaels
Scott Penny(Openside) - St. Michaels
Harry Byrne(Outhalf) - St. Michaels/UCD

Surley theres more?

irishfan9

Ayewserious wrote: »

Surley theres more?

yeah, that's just what i've heard so far.

Dubinusa

Is Baird as bi g as Dunne?

irishfan9

Dubinusa wrote: »

Is Baird as bi g as Dunne?

Not as tall no.

Dunne is 6'7 but closer to 6'8 than 6'6.

While Baird and Daly are 6'6.

FrannoFan

BigJimV wrote: »

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

The coaching across all the top 6 and league schools is excellent. The gap between top league and big 6 wasn't big (gerrards ran rock close to a 2 point gap which was more than belvo did in the final) gonzaga similar against the other finalist belvo in early round.

All these schools provide excellent coaching s&c as well as video analysis. It helps stand out in a bigger school as you might progress further in cup and get noticed but to make it now you need to be a physical freak.
The spread of schools represented by leinster goes to show if you are good enough you will make it.
Andrews
Gonzaga
Castleknock
Wesley
Roscrea
Etc all have players breaking through to pro game

Muligatawney

irishfan9 wrote: »

Told Cormac Daly also joining leinster academy.

Incoming class:

Jack Dunne(2nd Row) - St. Michaels/DUFC
Cormac Daly(2nd Row) - North Kildare RFC/Clontarf
Ryan Baird(2nd Row) - St. Michaels
Scott Penny(Openside) - St. Michaels
Harry Byrne(Outhalf) - St. Michaels/UCD

Can any of those second rows, and Dowling, play 6/8?

irishfan9

Muligatawney wrote: »

Can any of those second rows, and Dowling, play 6/8?

dowling can play 6.

why?

The Lost Sheep

FrannoFan wrote: »

The coaching across all the top 6 and league schools is excellent. The gap between top league and big 6 wasn't big (gerrards ran rock close to a 2 point gap which was more than belvo did in the final) gonzaga similar against the other finalist belvo in early round.

All these schools provide excellent coaching s&c as well as video analysis. It helps stand out in a bigger school as you might progress further in cup and get noticed but to make it now you need to be a physical freak.
The spread of schools represented by leinster goes to show if you are good enough you will make it.
Andrews
Gonzaga
Castleknock
Wesley
Roscrea
Etc all have players breaking through to pro game

As well as kids coming through youths rugby. Its simply if good enough you will get the opportunity to be seen train/play at a higher level.

irishfan9

i think its underrated the excellent s&c work michaels do.. they really develop excellent athletes along with rugby players.

irishfan9

Ranking Academy second rows in terms of potential since Ross Molony:

1. James Ryan(1996) - 6'8
2. Ryan Baird(1999) - 6'6
3. Jack Dunne(1998) - 6'7
4. Ross Molony(1994) - 6'6
5. Oisin Dowling(1997) - 6'5
6. David O'Connor(1995) - 6'4

Dubinusa

Wonder where Charlie Ryan will go? Can't see 4 2nd rows in the academy next year.

irishfan9

Dubinusa wrote: »

Wonder where Charlie Ryan will go? Can't see 4 2nd rows in the academy next year.

could do another season in the sub-academy.. in fact id say thats pretty likely.

for instance this is dalys 2nd season in sub academy.

Ifiniter

irishfan9 wrote: »

Told Cormac Daly also joining leinster academy.

Daly has not been offered contract by leinster.

irishfan9

Ifiniter wrote: »

irishfan9 wrote: »

Told Cormac Daly also joining leinster academy.

Daly has not been offered contract by leinster.

maybe not.. we shall wait and see i hope he was though

Ifiniter

irishfan9 wrote: »

Ifiniter wrote: »

maybe not.. we shall wait and see i hope he was though

Also hasnt been offer by any other province very disapointing.

irishfan9

Ifiniter wrote: »

irishfan9 wrote: »

Also hasnt been offer by any other province very disapointing.

hmm a big world cup could change that if true

Ayewserious

Ifiniter wrote: »

irishfan9 wrote: »

Also hasnt been offer by any other province very disapointing.

Find that very hard to believe