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Hands Like Flippers

hoodor wrote: »

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

Has Sexton left school early?

Dunno about his school status, but was at ulster open training yesterday.

18 next month. Highly rated apparently.

Hands Like Flippers

hoodor wrote: »

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

Has Sexton left school early?

Dunno about his school status, but was at ulster open training yesterday.

18 next month. Highly rated apparently.

hoodor

Prop: Eric O'Sullivan(Banbridge/Year 2)
Prop: Tom O'Toole(Ballynahinch/Year 2)
Prop: Jack Aungier(St. Marys/Year 2)
Prop: Michael Milne(?/Year 1)
Prop: Keynon Knox(UL Bohs/Year 2)
Prop: James French(UCC/Year 1)
Hooker: Zack McCall(Ballynahinch/Year 3)
Hooker: Ronan Kelleher(Lansdowne/Year 2)
Hooker: Diarmuid Barron(Garryowen/Year 1)
Hooker: Eoghan Clarke(Wanderers/Year 1)
2nd Row: Jack Regan(Ballynahinch/Year 2)
2nd Row: Matthew Dalton(Malone/Year 2)
2nd Row: Oisin Dowling(Lansdowne/Year 2)
2nd Row: Jack Dunne(DUFC/Year 1)
2nd Row: Ryan Baird(?)/Year 1
2nd Row: Sean O’Connor(Garryowen/Year 3)
2nd Row: Tom Ahern(?/Year 1)
Backrow: Marcus Rea(Ballymena/Year 3)
Backrow: Aaron Hall(Ballynahinch/Year 3)
Backrow: Joe Dunleavy(Malone/Year 2)
Backrow: Matthew Agnew(Malone/Year 1)
Backrow: Azur Allison(Ballymena/Year 1)
Backrow: David McCann(Banbridge/Year 1)
Backrow: Scott Penny(?/Year 1)
Backrow: Gavin Coombes(Young Munster/Year 3)
Backrow: Jack O’Sullivan(UCC/Year 2)
Backrow: Jack Daly(Garryowen/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Graham Curtis(Malone/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Hugh O'Sullivan(Clontarf/Year 2)
Scrumhalf: Paddy Patterson(UCD/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Jack Stafford(Shannon/Year 2)
Scrumhalf: Craig Casey(Shannon/Year 2)
Outhalf: Michael Lowry(Banbridge/Year 2)
Outhalf: Bruce Houston(Ballymena/Year 1)
Outhalf: Ciaran Frawley(UCD/Year 2)
Outhalf: Harry Byrne(UCD/Year 1)
Outhalf/Fullback: Alan Tynan(Young Munster/Year 2)
Outhalf: Ben Healy(?/Year 1)
Centre: Angus Curtis(Malone/Year 3)
Centre: James Hume(Banbridge/Year 2)
Centre: Stewart Moore(Malone/Year 1)
Centre: Conor O'Brien(Clontarf/Year 3)
Centre: Jimmy O'Brien(UCD/Year 3)
Centre: Gavin Mullin(UCD/Year 2)
Centre: Alex McHenry(Cork Con/Year 2)
Centre: Matt More(Garryowen/Year 2)
Centre: Sean French(?/Year 1))
Centre/Wing: Tommy O'Brien(UCD/Year 2)
Centre/Fullback: Shane Daly(Cork Con/Year 3)
Back Three: Robert Baloucoune(Ballymena/Year 2)
Back Three: Iwan Hughes(Ballynahinch/Year 1))
Back Three: Hugo Keenan(UCD/Year 3)
Back Three: Jack Kelly(DUFC/Year 3)
Back Three: Michael Silvester(DUFC/Year 1))
Back Three: Aaron O'Sullivan(UCD/Year 1)
Back Three: James McCarthy(UL Bohs/Year 2)
Back Three: Liam Coombes(Garryowen/Year 2)
Back Three: Jonathan Wren(?/Year 1)

Harryclaim

hoodor wrote: »

Prop: Eric O'Sullivan(Banbridge/Year 2)
Prop: Tom O'Toole(Ballynahinch/Year 2)
Prop: Jack Aungier(St. Marys/Year 2)
Prop: Michael Milne(?/Year 1)
Prop: Keynon Knox(UL Bohs/Year 2)
Prop: James French(UCC/Year 1)
Hooker: Zack McCall(Ballynahinch/Year 3)
Hooker: Ronan Kelleher(Lansdowne/Year 2)
Hooker: Diarmuid Barron(Garryowen/Year 1)
Hooker: Eoghan Clarke(Wanderers/Year 1)
2nd Row: Jack Regan(Ballynahinch/Year 2)
2nd Row: Matthew Dalton(Malone/Year 2)
2nd Row: Oisin Dowling(Lansdowne/Year 2)
2nd Row: Jack Dunne(DUFC/Year 1)
2nd Row: Ryan Baird(?)/Year 1
2nd Row: Sean O’Connor(Garryowen/Year 3)
2nd Row: Tom Ahern(?/Year 1)
Backrow: Marcus Rea(Ballymena/Year 3)
Backrow: Aaron Hall(Ballynahinch/Year 3)
Backrow: Joe Dunleavy(Malone/Year 2)
Backrow: Matthew Agnew(Malone/Year 1)
Backrow: Azur Allison(Ballymena/Year 1)
Backrow: David McCann(Banbridge/Year 1)
Backrow: Scott Penny(?/Year 1)
Backrow: Gavin Coombes(Young Munster/Year 3)
Backrow: Jack O’Sullivan(UCC/Year 2)
Backrow: Jack Daly(Garryowen/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Graham Curtis(Malone/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Hugh O'Sullivan(Clontarf/Year 2)
Scrumhalf: Paddy Patterson(UCD/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Jack Stafford(Shannon/Year 2)
Scrumhalf: Craig Casey(Shannon/Year 2)
Outhalf: Michael Lowry(Banbridge/Year 2)
Outhalf: Bruce Houston(Ballymena/Year 1)
Outhalf: Ciaran Frawley(UCD/Year 2)
Outhalf: Harry Byrne(UCD/Year 1)
Outhalf/Fullback: Alan Tynan(Young Munster/Year 2)
Outhalf: Ben Healy(?/Year 1)
Centre: Angus Curtis(Malone/Year 3)
Centre: James Hume(Banbridge/Year 2)
Centre: Stewart Moore(Malone/Year 1)
Centre: Conor O'Brien(Clontarf/Year 3)
Centre: Jimmy O'Brien(UCD/Year 3)
Centre: Gavin Mullin(UCD/Year 2)
Centre: Alex McHenry(Cork Con/Year 2)
Centre: Matt More(Garryowen/Year 2)
Centre: Sean French(?/Year 1))
Centre/Wing: Tommy O'Brien(UCD/Year 2)
Centre/Fullback: Shane Daly(Cork Con/Year 3)
Back Three: Robert Baloucoune(Ballymena/Year 2)
Back Three: Iwan Hughes(Ballynahinch/Year 1))
Back Three: Hugo Keenan(UCD/Year 3)
Back Three: Jack Kelly(DUFC/Year 3)
Back Three: Michael Silvester(DUFC/Year 1))
Back Three: Aaron O'Sullivan(UCD/Year 1)
Back Three: James McCarthy(UL Bohs/Year 2)
Back Three: Liam Coombes(Garryowen/Year 2)
Back Three: Jonathan Wren(?/Year 1)

Why no connacht lads? Academy this year was Dylan Tierney, Colm Reilly , Niall Murray , josh dunne , Mark balaski, Conor dean , Conor Fitzgerald, Sean obrien

hoodor

Harryclaim wrote: »

Why no connacht lads? Academy this year was Dylan Tierney, Colm Reilly , Niall Murray , josh dunne , Mark balaski, Conor dean , Conor Fitzgerald, Sean obrien

hasn't been officially announced yet.

ArmchairQB

hoodor wrote: »

Prop: Eric O'Sullivan(Banbridge/Year 2)
Prop: Tom O'Toole(Ballynahinch/Year 2)
Prop: Jack Aungier(St. Marys/Year 2)
Prop: Michael Milne(?/Year 1)
Prop: Keynon Knox(UL Bohs/Year 2)
Prop: James French(UCC/Year 1)
Hooker: Zack McCall(Ballynahinch/Year 3)
Hooker: Ronan Kelleher(Lansdowne/Year 2)
Hooker: Diarmuid Barron(Garryowen/Year 1)
Hooker: Eoghan Clarke(Wanderers/Year 1)
2nd Row: Jack Regan(Ballynahinch/Year 2)
2nd Row: Matthew Dalton(Malone/Year 2)
2nd Row: Oisin Dowling(Lansdowne/Year 2)
2nd Row: Jack Dunne(DUFC/Year 1)
2nd Row: Ryan Baird(?)/Year 1
2nd Row: Sean O’Connor(Garryowen/Year 3)
2nd Row: Tom Ahern(?/Year 1)
Backrow: Marcus Rea(Ballymena/Year 3)
Backrow: Aaron Hall(Ballynahinch/Year 3)
Backrow: Joe Dunleavy(Malone/Year 2)
Backrow: Matthew Agnew(Malone/Year 1)
Backrow: Azur Allison(Ballymena/Year 1)
Backrow: David McCann(Banbridge/Year 1)
Backrow: Scott Penny(?/Year 1)
Backrow: Gavin Coombes(Young Munster/Year 3)
Backrow: Jack O’Sullivan(UCC/Year 2)
Backrow: Jack Daly(Garryowen/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Graham Curtis(Malone/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Hugh O'Sullivan(Clontarf/Year 2)
Scrumhalf: Paddy Patterson(UCD/Year 1)
Scrumhalf: Jack Stafford(Shannon/Year 2)
Scrumhalf: Craig Casey(Shannon/Year 2)
Outhalf: Michael Lowry(Banbridge/Year 2)
Outhalf: Bruce Houston(Ballymena/Year 1)
Outhalf: Ciaran Frawley(UCD/Year 2)
Outhalf: Harry Byrne(UCD/Year 1)
Outhalf/Fullback: Alan Tynan(Young Munster/Year 2)
Outhalf: Ben Healy(?/Year 1)
Centre: Angus Curtis(Malone/Year 3)
Centre: James Hume(Banbridge/Year 2)
Centre: Stewart Moore(Malone/Year 1)
Centre: Conor O'Brien(Clontarf/Year 3)
Centre: Jimmy O'Brien(UCD/Year 3)
Centre: Gavin Mullin(UCD/Year 2)
Centre: Alex McHenry(Cork Con/Year 2)
Centre: Matt More(Garryowen/Year 2)
Centre: Sean French(?/Year 1))
Centre/Wing: Tommy O'Brien(UCD/Year 2)
Centre/Fullback: Shane Daly(Cork Con/Year 3)
Back Three: Robert Baloucoune(Ballymena/Year 2)
Back Three: Iwan Hughes(Ballynahinch/Year 1))
Back Three: Hugo Keenan(UCD/Year 3)
Back Three: Jack Kelly(DUFC/Year 3)
Back Three: Michael Silvester(DUFC/Year 1))
Back Three: Aaron O'Sullivan(UCD/Year 1)
Back Three: James McCarthy(UL Bohs/Year 2)
Back Three: Liam Coombes(Garryowen/Year 2)
Back Three: Jonathan Wren(?/Year 1)

Aungier now Terenure, Harry Byrne Lansdowne

hoodor

Harryclaim wrote: »

Why no connacht lads? Academy this year was Dylan Tierney, Colm Reilly , Niall Murray , josh dunne , Mark balaski, Conor dean , Conor Fitzgerald, Sean obrien

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Aungier now Terenure, Harry Byrne Lansdowne

Not sure i'm a fan of Aungier to Terenure.. recently looks pretty slim for a TH prop.

ArmchairQB

hoodor wrote: »

Not sure i'm a fan of Aungier to Terenure.. recently looks pretty slim for a TH prop.

Personally dont rate him at all and imo should not be in academy

hoodor

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Personally dont rate him at all and imo should not be in academy

harsh, who would you have instead of him?

BigJimV

when will the school's thread be set up, interested in the current u18 squad which I here is exceptionally competitive this year? with some outstanding forwards, specifically in the second row/back row.

thomond2006

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Personally dont rate him at all and imo should not be in academy

I apologise for the white knightism but do we need to post about academy/young players in this way?

ClanofLams

Is the Munster prop Conway joining Connacht or was he just on trial?

hoodor

BigJimV wrote: »

when will the school's thread be set up, interested in the current u18 squad which I here is exceptionally competitive this year? with some outstanding forwards, specifically in the second row/back row.

It won't be soon, I expect the u18 schools interpros will be talked about in here.

Any players stand out to you?

Hands Like Flippers

Interpros are much earlier this year. Festival style based in University of Limerick.

The Lost Sheep

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

Interpros are much earlier this year. Festival style based in University of Limerick.

at what level?

Hands Like Flippers

U18.

The Lost Sheep

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

U18.

schools/clubs?
Should be both with one off games in old format also used. With all provinces and exiles there would be 8 teams so festival with all 8 teams would be good to see.

Hands Like Flippers

I think its just leinster ulster munster exiles and not mixed up with clubs.
3 matches i think.

The Lost Sheep

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

I think its just leinster ulster munster exiles and not mixed up with clubs.
3 matches i think.

Then exiles are playing schools provincial sides for first time ever then? Will exiles be allowed play for the "schools" u18s irish side then in 2019?

Hands Like Flippers

I can't answer that I'm afraid. Don't know any more.

hoodor

Sounds like another daft idea from Nucifora...

BigJimV

Interpro festival sounds like a good idea, all the best u18 Irish qualified players for both youth and schools playing in the same venue.

hoodor

If they are asking teams to play multiple games in one day it's daft.. the system wasn't broken, yet they still seem to want to change it.. look how well the underage teams have done since nucifora came in.. hint: not well.

Hands Like Flippers

hoodor wrote: »

If they are asking teams to play multiple games in one day it's daft.. the system wasn't broken, yet they still seem to want to change it.. look how well the underage teams have done since nucifora came in.. hint: not well.

No, its not that. It's spread over 10 days or so.

stephen_n

Billy Connolly used to make a joke about the blame hound, that sits under the table to take the blame when you fart. It seems that is David Nuciforas job these days.

BigJimV

Why change? not sure but driving continuous improvement is good, if you stop looking to improve you go backward.

Sorry, don't feel success at age grade is critical, the purpose of underage systems is to identify pro players, it's not all about winning games.

Old system not working too well outside Leinster in terms of identifying pro players... new inter-pro format looks like one of a few changes to fix this.. perhaps winning games may happen from this

Quin_Dub

If it's run like a camp over the 10 days , with training sessions etc. interspersed with the games then it could be very good having the top ~100 or so players together.

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

If it's run like a camp over the 10 days , with training sessions etc. interspersed with the games then it could be very good having the top ~100 or so players together.

should have clubs there as well. If you had the 8 interpro squads - exiles, connacht u18s and both squads in other provinces all based in one venue playing craven week style it would be very good to see. Venue could change year on year based in different universities/colleges

RuPi

It is to try and mirror the six nations blitz completion over the Easter holidays, so the players are used to that, I still believe squads of 26 and every player must start one game. Also gets it finished before schools start back although I doubt that was in the thinking behind it.

Hands Like Flippers

Aye school coaches will likely be a lot happier that they get their players at beg Sept.

hoodor

3 scrumhalves training with Leinster u20:

James Kenny
Cormac Foley
Louis O'Reilly

Heymans

hoodor wrote: »

3 scrumhalves training with Leinster u20:

James Kenny
Cormac Foley
Louis O'Reilly

TBH I don't see what the hype is about Kenny.


He had a good first round match where 2 brutal teams contested the game with Belvo shading it. He stood out but looked average amidst many average players.

arsebiscuits1

hoodor wrote: »

3 scrumhalves training with Leinster u20:

James Kenny
Cormac Foley
Louis O'Reilly

He was playing SCT this year with Blackrock wasn't he?

hoodor

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

He was playing SCT this year with Blackrock wasn't he?

Yeah, so was Foley for St Gerards, although at 12.

arsebiscuits1

hoodor wrote: »

Yeah, so was Foley for St Gerards, although at 12.

Reckon it's more getting a look at them? Or are they legitimate options?

Both presumably 18

hoodor

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Reckon it's more getting a look at them? Or are they legitimate options?

Both presumably 18

Both are either 18 or just turned 19.

Foley played for Ireland under 19 at easter and is certainly a potential academy player, wait and see how his season goes.

O'Reilly would be less likely right now IMO.

hoodor

Top Leinster Sub-Academy prospects:

Prop
Donnacha Mescal(Blackrock) - ex- North Kildare RFC
Daragh Bolger(Clontarf RFC)
Niall McEniff(St. Marys)
Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock) - u19

Hooker
Sean Molony(Blackrock)
Ethan Baxter(St. Gerards) - u19

Lock
Charles Ryan(Blackrock/UCD)
Cian Prendergast(Newbridge) - u19

Backrow
Dan O'Donovan(St. Michaels)
Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC)
Michael McGagh(Blackrock)

Scrumhalf
James Kenny(Gonzaga/Lansdowne)
Cormac Foley(St. Gerards)
Louis O'Reilly(Blackrock)

Outhalf
David Hawkshaw(Belvedere)
Conor Kelly(Roscrea/Clontarf)
Paddy McKenzie(Wicklow) - u19

Centre
David Ryan(St. Michaels)
Brian O'Donnell(Gonzaga)

Back Three
Liam Turner(Blackrock)
Adam La Grue(Terenure)
Tom Maher(Blackrock) - u19
Sam Dardis(Terenure) - u19

CowGoesMoo100

Why didn't Hawkshaw get academy? Penny,Baird and Milne all got one straight after school but Hawkshaw was supposed to be the great white hope no?

hoodor

CowGoesMoo100 wrote: »

Why didn't Hawkshaw get academy? Penny,Baird and Milne all got one straight after school but Hawkshaw was supposed to be the great white hope no?

ask Peter Smyth.

Hawkshaw did finish the season injured, that could have been the reason. Or it could have been something else.

Not sure he was ever the "great white hope" as Leinster hardly need one, just another talented back through the system, although notable that he was one of the few from Belvedere who looked likely to join the academy.

in terms of need a great white hope - leinster could do with one emerging at either scrumhalf, fullback or maybe hooker.

Podge_irl

hoodor wrote: »

in terms of need a great white hope - leinster could do with one emerging at either scrumhalf, fullback or maybe hooker.

You don't think Larmour might end up there? I'm happy enough with McGrath. Hooker seems the obvious problem spot and obviously has been for some time.

hoodor

Podge_irl wrote: »

You don't think Larmour might end up there? I'm happy enough with McGrath. Hooker seems the obvious problem spot and obviously has been for some time.

Ah i'm just pointing out the three weakest places in terms of depth throughout the system.

The underage system doesn't right now have standout obvious future academy stars at those positions, at least right now.

FellasFellas

The chances of Leinster signing a big name at hooker after RWC 19 would be quite high I'd say, the age profile of Cronin and losing Strauss, leaving us with Byrne and Tracey and Kelleher unproven unless he gets some gametime this year.

Ally Bren 92

hoodor wrote: »

Top Leinster Sub-Academy prospects:

Prop
Donnacha Mescal(Blackrock) - ex- North Kildare RFC
Daragh Bolger(Clontarf RFC)
Niall McEniff(St. Marys)
Thomas Clarkson(Blackrock) - u19

Hooker
Sean Molony(Blackrock)
Ethan Baxter(St. Gerards) - u19

Lock
Charles Ryan(Blackrock/UCD)
Cian Prendergast(Newbridge) - u19

Backrow
Dan O'Donovan(St. Michaels)
Ruadhan Byron(Belvedere)
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC)
Michael McGagh(Blackrock)

Scrumhalf
James Kenny(Gonzaga/Lansdowne)
Cormac Foley(St. Gerards)
Louis O'Reilly(Blackrock)

Outhalf
David Hawkshaw(Belvedere)
Conor Kelly(Roscrea/Clontarf)
Paddy McKenzie(Wicklow) - u19

Centre
David Ryan(St. Michaels)
Brian O'Donnell(Gonzaga)

Back Three
Liam Turner(Blackrock)
Adam La Grue(Terenure)
Tom Maher(Blackrock) - u19
Sam Dardis(Terenure) - u19

Sam dardis has being dropped from u19 and dan o Donovan didn’t even make the 20s

Locke_Lamora

Wasn't there a really good back row from clongowes? I think I remember their 7 standing out in the senior cup, but I might be wrong.

stellenbosch

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

Sam dardis has being dropped from u19 and dan o Donovan didn’t even make the 20s

Is the CBC centre/full back with the 19s?

stl.ire

FellasFellas wrote: »

The chances of Leinster signing a big name at hooker after RWC 19 would be quite high I'd say, the age profile of Cronin and losing Strauss, leaving us with Byrne and Tracey and Kelleher unproven unless he gets some gametime this year.

I wonder if (insert whoever is Ireland coach) will see Scannell and Marshall at Munster as the Ireland 1&2 at hooker and have a “coffee shop meeting” on Leinster’s behalf.

Also Leinster also just picked up John McKee from the Ulster academy. He’s very rated but ulster are stacked at hooker so wanted him to shift to prop. Good to see player movement when there’s a bottle head of talent

bilston

stl.ire wrote: »

FellasFellas wrote: »

The chances of Leinster signing a big name at hooker after RWC 19 would be quite high I'd say, the age profile of Cronin and losing Strauss, leaving us with Byrne and Tracey and Kelleher unproven unless he gets some gametime this year.

I wonder if (insert whoever is Ireland coach) will see Scannell and Marshall at Munster as the Ireland 1&2 at hooker and have a “coffee shop meeting” on Leinster’s behalf.

Also Leinster also just picked up John McKee from the Ulster academy. He’s very rated but ulster are stacked at hooker so wanted him to shift to prop. Good to see player movement when there’s a bottle head of talent

McKee is a prop. He will be shifting to hooker at Leinster. The irony being that Ulster are in short supply of LH props...not that he'd be a factor for a couple of years.

stellenbosch

stellenbosch wrote: »

Is the CBC centre/full back with the 19s?

James Reynolds CBC with Connacht 19s apparently

hoodor

Ally Bren 92 wrote: »

Sam dardis has being dropped from u19 and dan o Donovan didn’t even make the 20s

O'Donovan is a waste of talent there, odd.

If you have the squad lists please post them.

hoodor

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Wasn't there a really good back row from clongowes? I think I remember their 7 standing out in the senior cup, but I might be wrong.

Anthony Ryan, played Ireland u18's.