The Academies

bayern

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Ethan Coughlan is involved this weekend as far as I know.

And just a slight correction, Conor Moloney is actually still under 18 (18.5) he's still 17, turns 18 next month

If he turns 18 in 2020.. then he is u19 for this season when it comes to provincial/national team selection.

Quin_Dub

bayern wrote: »

If he turns 18 in 2020.. then he is u19 for this season when it comes to provincial/national team selection.

Correct , but as he's inside the U18.5 Window and still technically a Youths player there had to be approvals gotten to allow him to play U20's etc.

luke9311

bayern wrote: »

sub academy players for Leinster and Munster.

Prop
Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/u21)
Mark Donnelly(CBC Cor/u20)
Jack Boyle(Michaels/u19)

Hooker
Lee Barron(Michaels/u20)

Backrow
Cian Hurley(CBC Cork/u21)
Daniel Okeke(Ard Scoil Ris/u20)
Nick Greene(Bandon/u19)
Conor Moloney(Ennis/u19)

Outhalf
Charlie Tector(Kilkenny/u19)

Centre
Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/u20)
Karl Martin(Boyne/u19)
Alan Flannery(Rockwell/u20)

Back Three
Jamie Osborne(Naas/u20)
Chris Cosgrave(Michaels/u20)
Aaron Leahy(CBC Cork/u20)

Haven’t really been following many players since the senior cup was cut short.... will hickey I felt was a fine player for michaels in the last two seasons... any word on him is he in academy or what?

The Lost Sheep

luke9311 wrote: »

Haven’t really been following many players since the senior cup was cut short.... will hickey I felt was a fine player for michaels in the last two seasons... any word on him is he in academy or what?

He isnt in the full academy.
Many of those listed never played schools cup anyway....

bayern

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

He isnt in the full academy.
Many of those listed never played schools cup anyway....

4 didn't.

bayern

luke9311 wrote: »

Haven’t really been following many players since the senior cup was cut short.... will hickey I felt was a fine player for michaels in the last two seasons... any word on him is he in academy or what?

sub-academy.. not sure why he isn't playing in this, could be injured.

Hands Like Flippers

Any results from sevens?

The Lost Sheep

Hands Like Flippers wrote: »

Any results from sevens?

Look in 7s thread

luke9311

bayern wrote: »

sub-academy.. not sure why he isn't playing in this, could be injured.

Ah ok thanks. Think I had seen his name down for trinity for community series but didn’t know if he was in any age grade system and or academy/sub academy system or not.

bayern

luke9311 wrote: »

Ah ok thanks. Think I had seen his name down for trinity for community series but didn’t know if he was in any age grade system and or academy/sub academy system or not.

That was his older brother.

He is with UCD and in leinster sub academy.

Number 137

Anybody know the heights, weights and years of birth of the following players?

Eoin de Buitlear
Darragh Murray
Donnacha Byrne
Hubert Costello
Oisin McCormack
Cathal Forde
Shane Jennings

Scott Buckley
Alex Kendellen

The first group of players are all in the Connacht Academy, with the remaining two in the Munster Academy. Any help would be appreciated.

bayern

Number 137 wrote: »

Anybody know the heights, weights and years of birth of the following players?

Eoin de Buitlear(2001)
Darragh Murray(2001)
Donnacha Byrne (2001)
Hubert Costello(2001)
Oisin McCormack(2001)
Cathal Forde(2001)
Shane Jennings(2001)

Scott Buckley(2000)
Alex Kendellen(2001)

The first group of players are all in the Connacht Academy, with the remaining two in the Munster Academy. Any help would be appreciated.

Year of birth.

The Lost Sheep

Number 137 wrote: »

Anybody know the heights, weights and years of birth of the following players?

Eoin de Buitlear
Darragh Murray
Donnacha Byrne
Hubert Costello
Oisin McCormack
Cathal Forde
Shane Jennings

Scott Buckley
Alex Kendellen

The first group of players are all in the Connacht Academy, with the remaining two in the Munster Academy. Any help would be appreciated.

The ages is easily found by checking recent provincial/national age grade sides and figuring out by that. Connacht havent listed weights on website so you wont likely find out.

All are 2001s apart from Buckley who was born in 2000

salmocab

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The ages is easily found by checking recent provincial/national age grade sides and figuring out by that. Connacht havent listed weights on website so you wont likely find out.

All are 2001s apart from Buckley who was born in 2000

Plus I’m not sure the websites are too accurate with height and weights anyway.

bayern

Possible Leinster academy next season?

Prop
Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/Old Belvedere/U22)
Jack Boyle(St. Michaels/UCD/U20)

Hooker
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere/U22)
Lee Barron(St. Michaels/DUFC/U21)

Lock
Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf/U22)
Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC/U21)

Backrow
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Old Belvedere/U23)
Sean O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD/U22)
Alex Soroka(Belvedere/Clontarf/U21)
Will Hickey(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

Scrumhalf
Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/Lansdowne/U23)
Rob Gilsenan(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

Outhalf
Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/UCD/U21)
Charlie Tector(Kilkenny/Lansdowne/U20)

Centre
Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Naas/U21)
Karl Martin(Boyne RFC/Old Belvedere/U20)

Back Three
Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Clontarf/U22)
Max O'Reilly(St.Gerards/DUFC/U22)
Niall Comerford(Blackrock/UCD/U22)
Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC/U21)
Chris Cosgrave(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

FrannoFan

bayern wrote: »

Possible Leinster academy next season?

Prop
Marcus Hanan(Clane RFC/Old Belvedere/U22)
Jack Boyle(St. Michaels/UCD/U20)

Hooker
John McKee(Campbell/Old Belvedere/U22)
Lee Barron(St. Michaels/DUFC/U21)

Lock
Brian Deeny(Wexford RFC/Clontarf/U22)
Joe McCarthy(Blackrock/DUFC/U21)

Backrow
Martin Moloney(Athy RFC/Old Belvedere/U23)
Sean O'Brien(Blackrock/UCD/U22)
Alex Soroka(Belvedere/Clontarf/U21)
Will Hickey(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

Scrumhalf
Cormac Foley(St. Gerards/Lansdowne/U23)
Rob Gilsenan(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

Outhalf
Tim Corkery(Kilkenny RFC/UCD/U21)
Charlie Tector(Kilkenny/Lansdowne/U20)

Centre
Marcus Kiely(Newbridge/Naas/U21)
Karl Martin(Boyne RFC/Old Belvedere/U20)

Back Three
Andrew Smith(St. Michaels/Clontarf/U22)
Max O'Reilly(St.Gerards/DUFC/U22)
Niall Comerford(Blackrock/UCD/U22)
Jamie Osborne(Naas RFC/U21)
Chris Cosgrave(St. Michaels/UCD/U21)

with so little rugby being played its very hard to select anyone to join in. Like Cosgrove was less and less impressive as he went through school. To say he justifies an academy spot is based on a sort of Tony Ward hype.
hopefully some version of 20's happens but can't see it.

bayern

FrannoFan wrote: »

with so little rugby being played its very hard to select anyone to join in. Like Cosgrove was less and less impressive as he went through school. To say he justifies an academy spot is based on a sort of Tony Ward hype.
hopefully some version of 20's happens but can't see it.

well they are working away weekly in the sub-academy, so all of them are being evaluated by coaches, leinster A play two games coming up and sub-academy will be involved.

presumably there will be more rugby played in 2021.

Locke_Lamora

Anyone you think won’t be given a pro contract by Leinster? Aaron O’Sullivan and Sylvester look like they might not make it in the backs. Martin Moloney hasn’t played a game yet which is surprising - I know Penny was the standout u20 player but I backed Moloney to overtake him at senior level. Is Charlie Ryan final year as well?

bayern

Locke_Lamora wrote: »

Anyone you think won’t be given a pro contract by Leinster? Aaron O’Sullivan and Sylvester look like they might not make it in the backs. Martin Moloney hasn’t played a game yet which is surprising - I know Penny was the standout u20 player but I backed Moloney to overtake him at senior level. Is Charlie Ryan final year as well?

Moloney has been injured non-stop since entering the academy, would be in year 3 next season.

Ryan is Yr 2, I expect him to graduate early along with Liam Turner.

Silvester looks like he is earning one at the moment, O'Sullivan? Who knows.. he is still only 20 and has been focusing on 7's until recently.

Paddy Patterson may not get one.. but who knows what they are doing at 9.

Dubinusa

I think Hawkshaw, Milne and Sylvester get contracts.
Charlie Ryan may get one too, but he's yet to feature.
It would depend on who is released after this season. Money is going to be tight and some lads may move elsewhere.

bayern

Toner and Fardy are both likely finished with Leinster and CRyan will move up early.

Clarkson and Milne will go up.

Patterson probably won't unless one of HOS or Osborne leaves.

Hawkshaw will.

Turner might go early.

Silvester probably will.

O'Sullivan, who knows?

Squidgy Black

O'Sullivan's probably got more of a chance to get a 7s contract at this point to be honest.

Bigdaave

Do you think they will add two outhalfs this year. I also thought the leinster clubs 10 Fionn o hara was a good prospect

Squidgy Black

Bigdaave wrote: »

Do you think they will add two outhalfs this year. I also thought the leinster clubs 10 Fionn o hara was a good prospect

Is O'Hara still playing? I know he was over in Australia for an AFL trial and played in the Westmeath SFC for St Lomans a couple months back.

bayern

Bigdaave wrote: »

Do you think they will add two outhalfs this year. I also thought the leinster clubs 10 Fionn o hara was a good prospect

He is still in school.. seems he has yet to make a decision on what sport he will play once finished school.

Think he is a bigger prospect as an athlete certainly someone leinster would love to have stick with the sport and develop.

bayern

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/this-is-the-best-schoolboy-rugby-xv-in-the-world-in-2020-nextgenxv/

NextGenXV are specialists in schoolboy rugby content, and after many hours of deliberation and discussion, they have picked this team as their schoolboy XV for 2020.

15) Ajay Faleafaga (St Peters/New Zealand)
14) Curwin Gertse (Paarl Gim/South Africa)
13) Jack Howarth (Brisbane Boys/Australia)
12) Mambo Mkhize (Westville/South Africa)
11) Joseph Suaalii (Kings Parramatta/Australia)
10) Sacha Mngomezulu (Bishops/South Africa)
9) Noah Hotham (Hamilton Boys/New Zealand)
8) Carwyn Tuipulotu (Sedbergh/Wales)
7) Emeka Ilione – (Rugby School/England)
6) Zac Hough (Brisbane Boys/Australia)
5) Allen Craig (St Kents/New Zealand)
4) Connor Evans (Bishops/South Africa)
3) Fin Baxter (Wellington/England)
2) Archie Vanes ( Brooksby Melton College/England)
1) Jack Boyle (St Michaels/Ireland)
16) Finau Halafihi (Auckland Grammar/New Zealand)
17) Phil Brantingham (RGS Newcastle/England)
18) Seb Lombard (Paarl Boys/South Africa)
19) Christ Tshizuna (Whitchurch/Wales)
20) Ben Muncaster (Rugby School/Scotland)
21) Nico Steyn (Glenwood/South Africa)
22 Charlie Atkinson (Abingdon/England)
23) Dan John (Millfield/Wales)

arsebiscuits1

Interesting list. Especially profiling such young players.

Reckon Jack Boyle is there as a bit of tokenism or am I being a bit harsh on him?

I have no idea what any of them are like as players

bayern

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Interesting list. Especially profiling such young players.

Reckon Jack Boyle is there as a bit of tokenism or am I being a bit harsh on him?

I have no idea what any of them are like as players

bit harsh.. Boyle is as good as prospect at the same age as James Ryan and Ryan Baird.

might take a bit longer to come through given how young he is still is and how much physical development he has still to do for his position.

arsebiscuits1

bayern wrote: »

bit harsh.. Boyle is as good as prospect at the same age as James Ryan and Ryan Baird.

might take a bit longer to come through given how young he is still is and how much physical development he has still to do for his position.

Wow ok. Great to hear a loosehead of that caliber potentially coming through.

Looking forward to seeing him at U20s - will he feature this year?

bayern

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Wow ok. Great to hear a loosehead of that caliber potentially coming through.

Looking forward to seeing him at U20s - will he feature this year?

Yeah he is u19 this upcoming season, i'd be surprised if he isn't starting loosehead 1st game up, will almost certainly be in 23 though.

be surprised if he didn't play for Leinster A in december too.

Dog Botherer

i would be intensely suspicious of anything Rugbypass publish but good to see another very talented prop coming through.

Paul Smeenus

No schools in France or indeed anywhere without English as a first language?

Dog Botherer

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

No schools in France or indeed anywhere without English as a first language?

yeah, Rugbypass.

The Lost Sheep

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

No schools in France or indeed anywhere without English as a first language?

French schools dont play sport. You play with clubs in France in all sports.

Hands Like Flippers

bayern wrote: »

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/this-is-the-best-schoolboy-rugby-xv-in-the-world-in-2020-nextgenxv/

NextGenXV are specialists in schoolboy rugby content, and after many hours of deliberation and discussion, they have picked this team as their schoolboy XV for 2020.

15) Ajay Faleafaga (St Peters/New Zealand)
14) Curwin Gertse (Paarl Gim/South Africa)
13) Jack Howarth (Brisbane Boys/Australia)
12) Mambo Mkhize (Westville/South Africa)
11) Joseph Suaalii (Kings Parramatta/Australia)
10) Sacha Mngomezulu (Bishops/South Africa)
9) Noah Hotham (Hamilton Boys/New Zealand)
8) Carwyn Tuipulotu (Sedbergh/Wales)
7) Emeka Ilione – (Rugby School/England)
6) Zac Hough (Brisbane Boys/Australia)
5) Allen Craig (St Kents/New Zealand)
4) Connor Evans (Bishops/South Africa)
3) Fin Baxter (Wellington/England)
2) Archie Vanes ( Brooksby Melton College/England)
1) Jack Boyle (St Michaels/Ireland)
16) Finau Halafihi (Auckland Grammar/New Zealand)
17) Phil Brantingham (RGS Newcastle/England)
18) Seb Lombard (Paarl Boys/South Africa)
19) Christ Tshizuna (Whitchurch/Wales)
20) Ben Muncaster (Rugby School/Scotland)
21) Nico Steyn (Glenwood/South Africa)
22 Charlie Atkinson (Abingdon/England)
23) Dan John (Millfield/Wales)

So these players have all left school now?

bayern

Leinster academy prospects for summer 2021

LH Prop
Jack Boyle(U19/St. Michaels/UCD)
Aaron Rowan(U19/Athy RFC-Blackrock/DUFC)
Hugo O'Malley(U20/Blackrock/UCD)

TH Prop
Sam Illo(U20/Wesley/Old Wesley)
Ben Griffin(U20/Coolmine RFC-Castleknock/DUFC)
Ben Popplewell(U19/Wexford RFC/Lansdowne)

Hooker
Lee Barron(U20/St. Michaels/DUFC)
Ronan Loughnane(U20/Birr RFC-Roscrea/UCD)

Lock
Sean Walsh(U19/Seapoint RFC)
Mark Morrisssey(U19/Blackrock/UCD)

Backrow
Mark Hernan(U21/St. Michaels/Lansdowne)
Will Hickey(U20/St. Michaels/UCD)
Mark Boyle(U20/Gorey RFC/Lansdowne)
Aaron Coleman(U20/Belvedere/DUFC)

Scrumhalf
Rob Gilsenan(U20/St. Michaels/UCD)
Will Reilly(U20/Portlaoise RFC/MU Barnhall)

Outhalf
Tim Corkery(U20/Kilkenny RFC/UCD)
Harry Colbert(U20/Gonzaga/DUFC)
Charlie Tector(U19/Kilkenny/Lansdowne)

Centre
Jamie Osborne(U20/Naas RFC/Naas)
Marcus Kiely(U20/Newbridge/Naas)
Karl Martin(U19/Boyne RFC/Old Belvedere)

Back Three
Chris Cosgrave(U20/St. Michaels/UCD)
Matthew McGettrick(U20/Terenure/Terenure)
Josh O'Connor(U20/Wexford RFC/UCD)
Shane Mallon(U19/Longford RFC-Roscrea/UCD)

Dubinusa

There's not many from Blackrock? Are they poor this year? I see There's a few from tho clubs mentioned. Is Boyle from Gorey related to Boyle from Connacht?

bayern

Dubinusa wrote: »

There's not many from Blackrock? Are they poor this year? I see There's a few from tho clubs mentioned. Is Boyle from Gorey related to Boyle from Connacht?

haven't listed anyone currently in school.

Both Mark and Paul Boyle are from Gorey and are brothers.

The Lost Sheep

Dubinusa wrote: »

There's not many from Blackrock? Are they poor this year? I see There's a few from tho clubs mentioned. Is Boyle from Gorey related to Boyle from Connacht?

Boyles are brothers.

How many more would you expect from Blackrock and none listed are in school this year

Dubinusa

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Boyles are brothers.

How many more would you expect from Blackrock and none listed are in school this year

Blackrock is usually the best school team?

arsebiscuits1

Dubinusa wrote: »

Blackrock is usually the best school team?

Historically yes.

In recent years less so.

Especially not with the metric of producing Leinster players. Have been significantly eclipsed by Michaels.

Lost Ormond

Dubinusa wrote: »

Blackrock is usually the best school team?

Maybe historically but not necessarily this year or in recent times. Lot more schools and then you have clubs also producing more than they have ever before


Marcus Hanan signed his official Leinster Academy contract today

https://www.facebook.com/clanerugby/

Lost Ormond

Cian Tracey has a piece tomorrow in Indo about Limerick rugby and development of players.
Headline is if Limerick hurling is damaging munster rugby.

Will be an interesting read.

FrannoFan

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Historically yes.

In recent years less so.

Especially not with the metric of producing Leinster players. Have been significantly eclipsed by Michaels.

Looking at academy and A team a good few likely to come through again soon.

bayern

Where are the top tier athletes gone in Leinster?

Leinster have not produced a top tier athletic prospect in the outside backs(6'2+) in quite some time, they all seem to fit quite the same profile athletically, looking at the young-ish backs in the leinster squad,

Hugo Keenan - 6'1
Jimmy O'Brien - 6'0
Jordan Larmour - 5'10
Tommy O'Brien - 6'0
Michael Silvester - 6'0
Liam Turner - 5'9
Niall Comerford - 6'0
Max O'Reilly - 6'1
Andrew Smith - 6'0

Some of those stats may be a bit inflated too, that group covers players between 24 and 20. All these players have came through the schools system too.

Looks like this issue has been identified somewhat but it was clear as day against Ulster A that Leinster were lacking top athletes, where have they gone in schools rugby?

sydthebeat

whats the definition of a top athlete outside back??

over 6' 2" and can run 100m in under 12 seconds?

the obvious answer is that Adam Byrne hasnt really worked out.
he has all the attributes but been bedevilled by injury.

Barry Daly is another who would fit that bill but injury called a halt to that.

you could argue Conor o brien fits that bill as well as he played a bit of wing / full back in his development and is very athletic at 6' 3" and fast.

realhorrorshow

Jordan Larmour is a top class athlete.

bayern

sydthebeat wrote: »

whats the definition of a top athlete outside back??

over 6' 2" and can run 100m in under 12 seconds?

the obvious answer is that Adam Byrne hasnt really worked out.
he has all the attributes but been bedevilled by injury.

Barry Daly is another who would fit that bill but injury called a halt to that.

you could argue Conor o brien fits that bill as well as he played a bit of wing / full back in his development and is very athletic at 6' 3" and fast.

COB isn't athetic enough to play wing or fullback at pro level. So doesn't fit what I'm looking for.

Been quite a few years since Byrne and Daly came through system.

bayern

realhorrorshow wrote: »

Jordan Larmour is a top class athlete.

Doesn't fit criteria I'm looking for as he is well below 6ft.

theVersatile

Didn't know tall people had to exclusively join the schools...

The two best back prospects in Leinster at the moment, two clubs players, are both over 6'2 (Jamie Osborne and Karl Martin). I don't think there's any dearth of height or natural athleticism in Leinster (mind a declaration of "natural athlete" based on height alone is silly in its own right. Genetic specimen, maybe, but we know well genetic specimens don't automatically make great rugby players).