The Academies

opinionatedfan

Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »

Compared to the last couple of years would only six new additions not be a surprisingly small group? Or will there be a couple more late additions after the JWC?

possibly, depends on who goes to the JWC.

Almost all of Leinster's players who might be involved with u20 squad are now in the academy:

Peter Dooley(1), Ed Byrne(2), Brian Byrne(2), Gavin Thornbury(2), Dan Leavy(2), Josh Van Der Flier(2), Luke McGrath(3), Steve Crosbie(1), Tom Daly(1), Adam Byrne(1).

All of these are in contention for a JWC spot and will be in the academy system next season.

jamiedav2011

Is this official?

Good to see SCM being kept on.

opinionatedfan

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Is this official?

Good to see SCM being kept on.

nothing officially announced yet, could be awhile.

jamiedav2011

Also, is it unusual for Dardis to go straight from school into academy, or based on age more so?

Quint2010

opinionatedfan wrote: »

no need to apologize, the confusion caused by Molony/Moloney is frequent.

good news on SCM, he missed a lot of time with that illness.

3 schools products and 3 youths products.

Peter Dooley(LH Prop/Youth-Offaly)
Ross Molony(Lock/St.Michaels-Dublin)
Steve Crosbie(Outhalf/St.Gerrards-Dublin)
Tom Daly(Centre/Youth-Carlow)
Adam Byrne(Wing/Youth-Kildare)
Billy Dardis(Fullback/Terenure-Kildare)

Is Gerrards not in Wicklow no? Brilliant for Dardis-the only u18 there. Hope he lives up to his potential. Byrne is an outstanding prospect too.

opinionatedfan

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Also, is it unusual for Dardis to go straight from school into academy, or based on age more so?

Not that unusual, Leavy went straight from under 18 schools to academy last year and Luke McGrath the year before.

Also last year Thornbury and the Byrne twins went from under 19 schools to academy last year.

Its a lot more rare for a player who has two years eligibility at under 20 level to go straight into the academy(McGrath, Leavy, Dardis) than a player who only has one(Thornbury,Byrne twins)

Tox56

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Also, is it unusual for Dardis to go straight from school into academy, or based on age more so?

Several did last year, the best usually do. Leavy, McGrath, Conway, Macken all have in recent years, pretty sure Heaslip and Kearney did too. Leavy in particular was very young

opinionatedfan

Quint2010 wrote: »

Is Gerrards not in Wicklow no? Brilliant for Dardis-the only u18 there. Hope he lives up to his potential. Byrne is an outstanding prospect too.

Gerrard's is outside Bray just across the Dublin border with Wicklow, but Crosbie is from Leopardstown.

opinionatedfan

This year there was:

1 under 18: Dardis
3 under 19: Dooley, Molony, Byrne
2 under 20: Crosbie, Daly

Contrast to last year:
1 under 18: Leavy
4 under 19: Thornbury, Byrne, Byrne, Van Der Flier
3 under 20: Beirne, Conan, Marsh

lurtz

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

Also, is it unusual for Dardis to go straight from school into academy, or based on age more so?

not really,last year thornbury,leavy and bryan and ed byrne all went in straight. Luke mcgrath the year before that. Andrew conway skipped the academy entirely and went straight into the senior squad

jamiedav2011

Tox56 wrote: »

Several did last year, the best usually do. Leavy, McGrath, Conway, Macken all have in recent years, pretty sure Heaslip and Kearney did too. Leavy in particular was very young

In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher/Brewer/Ringrose etc didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels? Brewer is finished this June isn't he?

opinionatedfan

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher/Brewer/Ringrose etc didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels? Brewer is finished this June isn't he?

Don't think Kelleher or Ringrose are good enough, Brewer is interesting case.

Probably destined for the sub-academy and see if he sticks at 12 or 8.

Tox56

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels?

Mentioned it before but not convinced by him at all. Good physical specimen but not the best rugby brain and not one for passing. Even in good games at school level you can see his limitations, can't see him being physically exceptional enough to make up for them past school

lurtz

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher/Brewer/Ringrose etc didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels? Brewer is finished this June isn't he?

I suppose it wasnt felt that they were good enough yet,that a year or two in the sub academy structure might be more beneficial. The academy players are decided by Joe Schmidt,colllie mcentee and girvan dempsey.

Liveforrugby

jamiedav2011 wrote: »

In that case, is there any reason why Cian Kelleher/Brewer/Ringrose etc didn't make it? Just players at different physical levels? Brewer is finished this June isn't he?

brewer kelleher overated, ringrose is just an average joe who can kick, hasn't played representative yet. Anyone know how he got along at the trials?

Moloney the roscrea 7 should have got a contract

Hype710

lurtz wrote: »

not really,last year thornbury,leavy and bryan and ed byrne all went in straight. Luke mcgrath the year before that. Andrew conway skipped the academy entirely and went straight into the senior squad

Conway had a year in the academy before signing a full contract. Luke Fitzgerald was the last to skip the academy.

irishbucsfan

Yeah Conway was in the academy I'm pretty sure.

Only two I know to skip in recent years in Ireland were Fitygerald and Butler.

opinionatedfan

Leinster Academy next year:

LH Prop
James Tracy(3)
Ed Byrne(2)
Peter Dooley(1)
Hooker
David Doyle(3)
Bryan Byrne(2)
TH Prop
Tadhg Furlong(3)
Second row
Tadhg Beirne(2)
Gavin Thornbury(2)
Ross Molony(1)
Backrow
Conor Gilsenan(3)
Dan Leavy(2)
Josh Van Der Flier(2)
Jack Conan(2)
Scrumhalf
Luke McGrath(3)
Outhalf
Cathal Marsh(2)
Steve Crosbie(1)
Centre
Jordan Coghlan(3)
Colm O'Shea(3)
Tom Daly(1)
Back Three
Sam Coghlan-Murray(3)
Andrew Boyle(3)
Adam Byrne(1)
Billy Dardis(1)

FellasFellas

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Leinster Academy next year:

LH Prop
James Tracy(3)
Ed Byrne(2)
Peter Dooley(1)
Hooker
David Doyle(3)
Bryan Byrne(2)
TH Prop
Tadhg Furlong(3)
Second row
Tadhg Beirne(2)
Gavin Thornbury(2)
Ross Molony(1)
Backrow
Conor Gilsenan(3)
Dan Leavy(2)
Josh Van Der Flier(2)
Jack Conan(2)
Scrumhalf
Luke McGrath(3)
Outhalf
Cathal Marsh(2)
Steve Crosbie(1)
Centre
Jordan Coghlan(3)
Colm O'Shea(3)
Tom Daly(1)
Back Three
Sam Coghlan-Murray(3)
Andrew Boyle(3)
Adam Byrne(1)
Billy Dardis(1)

Looks like we'll be needing a scrumhalf fairly soon.

ormond lad

Good to see 3 youths players join the Leinster academy. With the work being put into the youths system that number will only keep on going up
Usually is end of May/June before Munster announce their academy. Will be interesting to see how many Munster add considering there is only 3 in final year this season

Tox56

ormond lad wrote: »

Good to see 3 youths players join the Leinster academy. With the work being put into the youths system that number will only keep on going up
Usually is end of May/June before Munster announce their academy. Will be interesting to see how many Munster add considering there is only 3 in final year this season

Leinster U18 clubs team looked good this year too, maybe more to come

opinionatedfan

5 youth products in total in the academy.

10 players from Dublin(Boyle(21), Coghlan(20), Crosbie(20), Doyle(22), Leavy(18), Marsh(20), McGrath(19), Molony(18), O'Shea(22), Thornbury(19))
5 players from Kildare(Beirne(20), Byrne(18), Dardis(17-18), SCM(21), Tracy(22))
3 players from Carlow(Byrne(19), Byrne(19), Daly(19))
2 players from Wicklow(Conan(20), JVDF(19))
1 player from Wexford(Furlong(20))
1 player from Offaly(Dooley(18))
1 player from Westmeath(Gilsenan(20))

shuffol

Would Moloneys absence be due to there already been a number of backrows, specifically opensides already in the academy, you'd imagine other provinces would be looking at him.

opinionatedfan

shuffol wrote: »

Would Moloneys absence be due to there already been a number of backrows, specifically opensides already in the academy, you'd imagine other provinces would be looking at him.

yeah, seems like the most obvious thing to me. Very talented kid but we have tons of backrows in the academy and he is still pretty young.

Maybe a year in the sub-academy and then in. Depends where he ends up going to college.

CGD

shuffol wrote: »

Would Moloneys absence be due to there already been a number of backrows, specifically opensides already in the academy, you'd imagine other provinces would be looking at him.

Yeah plenty of very good proven backrows in Leinster at the moment. If he develops well next season he is likely to get in next year when contract situation with other backrows will be more clear

schools rugby

opinionatedfan wrote: »

no need to apologize, the confusion caused by Molony/Moloney is frequent.

good news on SCM, he missed a lot of time with that illness.

3 schools products and 3 youths products.

Peter Dooley(LH Prop/Youth-Offaly)
Ross Molony(Lock/St.Michaels-Dublin)
Steve Crosbie(Outhalf/St.Gerrards-Dublin)
Tom Daly(Centre/Youth-Carlow)
Adam Byrne(Wing/Youth-Kildare)
Billy Dardis(Fullback/Terenure-Kildare)

Dardis and Molony are the only two schools ?

opinionatedfan

schools rugby wrote: »

Dardis and Molony are the only two schools ?

Crosbie is a schools product.

schools rugby

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Crosbie is a schools product.

When did he leave school?

FellasFellas

schools rugby wrote: »

When did he leave school?

2011.

opinionatedfan

schools rugby wrote: »

When did he leave school?

2011.

Creeby

schools rugby wrote: »

When did he leave school?

2011.

Hagz

schools rugby wrote: »

When did he leave school?

2011.

Tox56

schools rugby wrote: »

When did he leave school?

1982

.ak

Tox56 wrote: »

1982

Nuh-uh, as the posters above said it's clearly 2012.

ormond lad

Dolphin RFC tweeted a few hours ago that Darren O Shea and John Madigan have been added to Munster academy

opinionatedfan

ormond lad wrote: »

Dolphin RFC tweeted a few hours ago that Darren O Shea and John Madigan have been added to Munster academy

both are second rows right?

Madigan being under-20 next year, not sure about O'Shea.

ormond lad

opinionatedfan wrote: »

both are second rows right?

Madigan being under-20 next year, not sure about O'Shea.

Yes both are second rows. O Shea is same age group as JJ Hanrahan. ie 92

opinionatedfan

ormond lad wrote: »

Yes both are second rows. O Shea is same age group as JJ Hanrahan. ie 92

Pretty old to be going into the academy, what's his story?

Obviously second rows develop later so it's not necessarily a bad thing.

shuffol

Munster like their 2nd rows, that'll be 4 in the academy next year. There's 3 in there atm but think Hayes is in his final year.

ormond lad

opinionatedfan wrote: »

Pretty old to be going into the academy, what's his story?

Obviously second rows develop later so it's not necessarily a bad thing.

Not that old. Philly Donnellan from Nenagh was 23 at end of last season when he joined the academy.
No idea what Darren o Shea's story is. He played underage for various munster sides. just kept on playing AIL after school. He is from Crosshaven origianlly and played youths with them before going into dolphin when in college i imagine

opinionatedfan

thanks, would be pretty surprising if Sean McCarthy didn't make the academy aswell right?

Also what height would you put either O'Shea or Madigan at?

backgreen

opinionatedfan wrote: »

thanks, would be pretty surprising if Sean McCarthy didn't make the academy aswell right?

Also what height would you put either O'Shea or Madigan at?[/QUOTE
McCarthy is about 6' 4'' have't seen madigan for a few years

opinionatedfan

backgreen wrote: »

opinionatedfan wrote: »

thanks, would be pretty surprising if Sean McCarthy didn't make the academy aswell right?

Also what height would you put either O'Shea or Madigan at?

McCarthy is about 6' 4'' have't seen madigan for a few years

McCarthy is listed at 6'6 here.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/squads/ireland_u20.php?player=110511&includeref=dynamic

lurtz

Madigan is very tall these days I hear,6'6 or so

Stanza2

Madigan is about 6'7" a great talent, was an Irish youth player last year. He has a great future in the game.

backgreen

opinionatedfan wrote: »

McCarthy is listed at 6'6 here.

http://www.irishrugby.ie/squads/ireland_u20.php?player=110511&includeref=dynamic

maybe on his tip/toes

backgreen

niall horan also in academy

opinionatedfan

backgreen wrote: »

niall horan also in academy

new outside centre?

BallHandling Hooker

FellasFellas wrote: »

Looks like we'll be needing a scrumhalf fairly soon.

There doesn't "need" to be a -player in each position.

I assume someone like Charlie Rock or the Ireland 18s captain Nick McCarthy will get a academy place in the next year or two anyway

CIARAN_BOYLE

BallHandling Hooker wrote: »

There doesn't "need" to be a -player in each position.

I assume someone like Charlie Rock or the Ireland 18s captain Nick McCarthy will get a academy place in the next year or two anyway

If we don't make a signing at SH in a couple of years we will just have Cooney and McGrath which is fine since I have hope for the both of them to come through. That said we should be looking at someone to enter the academy (either for 2013/2014 or 2014/2015) so that someone with a bit of development will be coming through as 3rd choice when Reddan/Boss retire.