Intel killing off the desktop

kaimera

linky

jist of it, no seperate cpu/mobo.

Not the way to go for enthusiasts.

The most direct effect is that of Broadwell, the 14nm successor to next year’s Haswell CPU, will essentially shut out the enthusiast. Motherboards will still be available, but the CPUs that come with them will be soldered down. I

zenno

Mobo's will still be available, but the CPU's that come with them will be soldered down.

Blasphemy I say.

kaimera

start buying up cpus/mobos now.

be worth a pretty penny down the line if intel follows thru!

Procrastastudy

kaimera wrote: »

start buying up cpus/mobos now.

be worth a pretty penny down the line if intel follows thru!

No it wont - they will devalue - and who cares anyway. Look at the suggested builds - Same Mobo, Same CPU (2500K or 3570K) in almost every instance. Cuts cost to the consumer the only people it will negatively effect are people who buy high end mobos and skip on the CPU to upgrade later - a small minority of people.

Just my 2cents

Serephucus

SemiAccurate bull**** as usual. Typical shocker title to reel people in, twisting the overall article to make it sound more sensational. If you have a look at the source, it's only low-end and mainstream parts this applies to. It could well mean that the 4570/4770K (or whatever) will be soldered, and that we'll have to move to 4930Ks, but there will still be a stand-alone CPU / motherboard market.

ShadowHearth

Serephucus wrote: »

SemiAccurate bull**** as usual. Typical shocker title to reel people in, twisting the overall article to make it sound more sensational. If you have a look at the source, it's only low-end and mainstream parts this applies to. It could well mean that the 4570/4770K (or whatever) will be soldered, and that we'll have to move to 4930Ks, but there will still be a stand-alone CPU / motherboard market.

That's what I though too, and I did not even read article yet. It would make sence in low/mid range, but no way intel will shift itself in a foot with highish end stuff. Even if they would do, it would give AMD a fighting chance and a small break, while intel would pull themselfs out of ****.

marco_polo

Serephucus wrote: »

SemiAccurate bull**** as usual. Typical shocker title to reel people in, twisting the overall article to make it sound more sensational. If you have a look at the source, it's only low-end and mainstream parts this applies to. It could well mean that the 4570/4770K (or whatever) will be soldered, and that we'll have to move to 4930Ks, but there will still be a stand-alone CPU / motherboard market.

Semi Accurate, Never has a website name been more apt.

cherryghost

Will never happen, would be a lose-lose situation for Intel and board manufacturers, and then extend to all other component manufacturers.

Beez

Dell/HP/Lenovo etc would not let that happen

Donny5

Beez wrote: »

Dell/HP/Lenovo etc would not let that happen

Why not? If it drives costs down, then why wouldn't they be in favour of it? After all, end-users upgrading their CPUs down the line is disadvantageous to the OEMs.

Procrastastudy

Beez wrote: »

Dell/HP/Lenovo etc would not let that happen

Exactly the people that would want it. Lower component and production costs.

JackieChan

Is this not full circle back to the way it used to be up to 20 years ago. i'm pretty sure i have an old x86 machine that had the cpu soldered to the board.

NTMK

JackieChan wrote: »

Is this not full circle back to the way it used to be up to 20 years ago. i'm pretty sure i have an old x86 machine that had the cpu soldered to the board.

it won't happen too many processor types will mean mobo manufacturers will have to release 6+ mobo variations of each mobo they release manufactures atm just buy a crap load of sockets and chipsets and let the end user decide what cpu

there's also completion laws in the eu that will kick that to touch

kippy

Donny5 wrote: »

Why not? If it drives costs down, then why wouldn't they be in favour of it? After all, end-users upgrading their CPUs down the line is disadvantageous to the OEMs.

Indeed, and the vast majority of PC users NEVER change their CPU unless it is down to a faulty CPU and that's a relatively small percentage.
Once it pushes costs down for the business or individual user it'll work.

Beez

Donny5 wrote: »

Why not? If it drives costs down, then why wouldn't they be in favour of it? After all, end-users upgrading their CPUs down the line is disadvantageous to the OEMs.

Procrastastudy wrote: »

Exactly the people that would want it. Lower component and production costs.

They would have to stock a wider range of boards instead of having the one type for a model and fitting and ordering CPU's as they need them. What makes you think it will make lower production cost for HP/Dell etc? It would be a headache for these companys.

People buying them type of PC generally dont upgrade the CPU also.

Donny5

Beez wrote: »

They would have to stock a wider range of boards instead of having the one type for a model and fitting and ordering CPU's as they need them. What makes you think it will make lower production cost for HP/Dell etc? It would be a headache for these companys.

People buying them type of PC generally dont upgrade the CPU also.

They just won't offer as many options. Dell don't care if their selection narrows - neither do their customers. With firmware-locked CPUs, they can still offer the stepped performance range that their pricing model prefers.

Andy!!

Misleading thread title that doesn't seem to add up to it's contents...

Beez wrote: »

Dell/HP/Lenovo etc would not let that happen

And how would they stop them exactly.

TBH I think this is a decent move. Less risk really. No more bent pins or EMPing a processor with the static shock loaded in your index finger

We'd still be selecting the part by how good the processor is primarily, and then judging if the mobo has what we need, like amount of DIMM slots etc. And hopefully that's the case.

Not a big deal.

Cuddlesworth

This isn't go to happen outside of the low end cheap chips. I say that after supporting a large enterprise, board replacements were a constant over the years as they include any number of possible faults(charing circuit, network card etc). Add the cost of removing a soldered cpu to the replacement of a board and you will begin to see huge repair costs. Not applicable unless the chip is in a very low price point.

Beez

So your mobo is out of warranty, it dies. You can no longer buy a cheap second hand motherboard and transfer your CPU. Well it wont happen to high end so its nothing to worry about really, for enthusiasts anyway.

Oh and dont be so naive to think that large PC manufacturers dont have a massive say/influence on Intels designs.

Donny5

Beez wrote: »

Oh and dont be so naive to think that large PC manufacturers dont have a massive say/influence on Intels designs.

No-one's saying that they don't have influence - what we're saying is that there's no reason that they would oppose this and lots of reasons that they'd support this. And in the long term, convergence is the future. SoCs will eventually take over from traditional modular desktops for the the biggest sectors of the market - business and consumer.