Constitutional Convention

expectationlost

RangeR wrote: »

Couldn't think of another place top post this and couldn't see another thread on the subject.

Anyone willing to say if they are one of the 66? I'm starting to hear a little chatter on the media airwaves over the past while.

how important were the public submissions to the process? did you/members read them?

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

never heard this before constitutional convention member says she got selected because friend who'd done surveys on her before asked her (and) because she fit demographic criteria https://www.rte.ie/radio1/liveline/programmes/2013/0219/368568-tuesday-19th-february-2013/?clipid=1003529#1003529 24m
https://www.constitution.ie/Documents/ListOfMembers.pdf

https://www.kildarestreet.com/sendebates/?id=2012-07-12.290.0&s=constitutional+convention+motion

so its supposed demographically spread, the random part is in the address chosen within areas
https://www.constitution.ie/Documents/BehaviourAndAttitudes.pdf


if they are supposed to start at randomly slected address how did they manage to end up at this friends house (multiple times)

but with this new abortion issue, if some B&A surveyor knew a persons attitude to social issues because she surveyed them before that, I don't think you could really call it random

so this is what happened at the constitutional convention, discussing citziens assembly there http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=99987410

the person who spoke in February was referred to as Louise from D12 https://www.rte.ie/radio1/liveline/programmes/2013/0219/368568-tuesday-19th-february-2013/ I can't find a Louise in the membership lists
https://web.archive.org/web/20130822085755/https://www.constitution.ie/Documents/ListOfMembers.pdf

A Yvonne went on RTE 's Liveline during April 2013 rte.ie/radio1/livelin… and Joe Duffy described her as the only person to speak publically about the Constitutional Convention.

There is Yvonne X Dublin 12 who on the list and other things she said match https://web.archive.org/web/20130822085755/https://www.constitution.ie/Documents/ListOfMembers.pdf

RangeR

expectationlost wrote: »

how important were the public submissions to the process? did you/members read them?

Sorry, I thought I answered this a long time ago.

All submissions were delivered to all active members. They were very important to get a balanced view of each side of the argument, and sometimes very detailed. However, the bulk of a few of the reports were covered in the verbal submissions each weekend.

I didn't read all the reports prior to the weekend but copies were made available on site too. Members would also discuss the merits of each side of the argument on our down time [brekky, lunch, dinner etc].

Some I tried to read, in the interest of fairness, but I'm not a religious person at all and I find it exceptionally hard to read a religiously biased report with non nonsensical [in my opinion] arguments.

expectationlost

Finbar's Intervention
Author: Bastian Berbner First Published: Süddeutsche Zeitung Magazin, Germany, 2018-05-25 http://www.truestoryaward.org/story/51

That day, as on any other workday, Finbarr drives his van 110 kilometers over the rolling green hills and narrow stone bridges around the small, southern Irish city of Macroom, making stops at 540 mailboxes in total. After delivering the last of the day’s packages and letters, he breaks for a coffee on his way home. He’s sitting alone at a table, when a woman enters the café.

He knows her, but then, he knows almost everyone here. O’Brien is a good mailman. Not the kind to snoop in people’s postcards. Rather, he’s the kind of mailman people are eager to share their news with. The kind they tell where the spare key is hidden, in case they’re out. O’Brien knows whose car is whose here, who is sick with what, where the kids have gone to study, and what brand of food the dogs get.

As for the woman who enters the café that day, he knows that her name is Caroline, and that she works for a polling institute, or something. She comes over to his table. Finbarr, she says, would you be interested in going to Dublin one weekend a month for about a year, to consult on a new constitution for Ireland?

The rules of selection required a recruiter to start at a randomly selected house. https://web.archive.org/web/20130822085229/https://www.constitution.ie/Documents/BehaviourAndAttitudes.pdf It could be that the cafe is the random address it doesn't say it it excludes business address's (but it might) but she didn't just go to a random person (or the owner) but somebody who as the articles says she knew the name of, what else did she know about him, his political views?

Further down the articles says

Chris Lyons is 26 in autumn of 2012 when a friend’s mother, who works at a polling company, emails him and asks: Would you like to be part of this?

THIS IS NOT HOW THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION MEMBERS WERE TO BE RECRUITED

Recruiting for this assembly was very hard but that's no reason to break the rules. I wish I could recommend citizens assemblies but the recruitment standards are woeful

RangeR

expectationlost wrote: »

*stuff you said*

Nice piece. I didn't know it existed. Thanks.