The elephant in the room thread.

macplaxton

Sam Russell wrote: »

If he had done the reshell in the UK

*If*

carchaeologist

2cv wrote: »

Authenticity of the Irish Motor Industry?

OK, we should divide classic cars up into 6 different categories so:

Category 1: Cars that were built in Ireland and originally registered here
Category 2: Cars that were built outside of Ireland and registered here from new
Category 3: Cars that were first registered outside of Ireland but were imported before 1987 and therefore have the old style registration plates
Category 4: Cars that were brought in and had original irish plates put on (so called ringers)
Category 5: Cars that were brought in and registered on year plates (78-C-...)
Category 6: Cars that were brought in and registered on ZV plates

Category 7: Cars on the 5 Digit ZV system
Category 8: Cars on the new high number year import numbers.

Sam Russell

carchaeologist wrote: »

Category 7: Cars on the 5 Digit ZV system
Category 8: Cars on the new high number year import numbers.

Category 9: Swimmers
Category 10: Cloned cars

carchaeologist

Sam Russell wrote: »

Category 9: Swimmers
Category 10: Cloned cars

Same thing really, and covered by Catagory 4.

2cv

Oh I didn't know we were creating a different category for the 5 digit ZV system :-)

So here's what we have so far:

Category 1: Cars that were built in Ireland and originally registered here
Category 2: Cars that were built outside of Ireland and registered here from new
Category 3: Cars that were first registered outside of Ireland but were imported before 1987 and therefore have the old style registration plates
Category 4: Cars that were brought in and had original irish plates put on (so called ringers)
Category 5: Cars that were brought in and registered on year plates (78-C-...)
Category 6: Cars that were brought in and registered on ZV plates
Category 7: Cars on the 5 Digit ZV system
Category 8: Cars on the new high number year import numbers.

That's a lot of different shows and that's a lot of looking down on someone else's registration plates.... err car

Here's an idea.... Why don't we create one classic car scene, where people admire and enjoy classic cars rather than registration plates.

Another idea.... For those who are seriously hung up about registration plates, why don't you collect plates and hang them on the wall in your garage?

carchaeologist

2cv wrote: »

Another idea.... For those who are seriously hung up about registration plates, why don't you collect plates and hang them on the wall in your garage?

I do! Along with badges, handbooks and the actual cars. It's a real problem. And here's no AA for caraholics. :-(

quattro777

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5721-ZH-OLD-PLATE-/300831159506?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item460aef34d2

Sam Russell

quattro777 wrote: »

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5721-ZH-OLD-PLATE-/300831159506?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item460aef34d2

That is a very big elephant!

kasper

Sam Russell wrote: »

That is a very big elephant!

so anyone importing a black 1.6 escort is sorted but the fact the reg number is advertised it cant be done very discreetly

corktina

lets hope customs read it

Capri

There's a new wally born every minute :D

Bearcat

Capri wrote: »

There's a new wally born every minute :D

Agree, what a tool..... Someone in revenue should bid for it!

carchaeologist

quattro777 wrote: »

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5721-ZH-OLD-PLATE-/300831159506?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item460aef34d2

In fairness to the guy it's sound of him to throw in the plates ready made too. Good value there.

Capri

FOR SALE. A SET OF PLATES AND THE TAX BOOK FOR THIS CAR.IRISH CAR 5721 ZH, MK 1 ESCORT. THIS SALE IS FOR PLATES AND TAX BOOK ONLY. THANK YOU

Plates alone probably worth €30 - small point, WHERE'S THE CHASSIS PLATE ??? :eek:

Thinkingaboutit

I don't understand the reg nonsense. I like my Wolseley 16/60, it's piss easy to work on (mostly), and it's comfortable, and in decent condition. I did get a black 4 digit ZV number, but I also have an old bike with the blue and white EU plate, and apart from my not liking the EU (which matters sfa), I'm not bothered. It doesn't drive differently, nor is working on it harder or easier. There are some cars, that patently are ringers, and that's pathetic. Mine would be a bad ringer, as it has a long-ish UK service history and the UK plates in the boot.

quattro777

He's back with another.....:rolleyes:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OPEL-MANTA-PLATES-NZR-260-/300833889886?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item460b18de5e

carchaeologist

He's getting better, RF change of ownership included this time! Convenient!

Capri

carchaeologist wrote: »

He's getting better, RF change of ownership included this time! Convenient!

THIS SALE IS FOR TAX BOOK FOR A MANTA B. 1977/ NZR 206/ IRISH CAR, INCLUDED IS RF200 CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP SINED. THE MANTA IN THE PHOTO IS A 400REP OF DOT IRELAND AND WILL BE FOR SALE JAN OR FEB. THANKS FOR LOOKING

Hard to know what he's doing - is he selling the log book for the 400 , or is he selling the whole car, or is he trying to sell car and plate seperate

corktina

think I'll bid and then go insisting on getting the car that he has signed the form to say the ownership is transferred to me

oceanman

Bearcat wrote: »

Agree, what a tool..... Someone in revenue should bid for it!

if revene did catch up with him and take him through the courts, he probably wouldnt get more than a slap on the wrist. its not like he's trying to sell a stolen car ect, in fact if he is the rightfull owner of the logbook then im not sure if he is even doing anything illegal !

kev1.3s

oceanman wrote: »

if revene did catch up with him and take him through the courts, he probably wouldnt get more than a slap on the wrist. its not like he's trying to sell a stolen car ect, in fact if he is the rightfull owner of the logbook then im not sure if he is even doing anything illegal !

You see he isn't the rightful owner of the log book the department of transport is and when a car is scrapped as we can only assume that car is is then he is legally obliged to return the log book to shannon so he would in my opinion be breaking 2 if not more laws.

salysol

quattro777 wrote: »

He's back with another.....:rolleyes:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OPEL-MANTA-PLATES-NZR-260-/300833889886?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item460b18de5e

I'm sure some of you have bought a classic vehicle and mislaid the tax book or never had it to start with ?
Well around 6 years ago i bought a 1964 Norton Electra to restore the previous owner couldn't find the book nor was there a reg plate on the bike,
So i took the chassis no into the tax office and asked if there was any way of matching the chassis no to a reg,i was told to sit down and they would do a search.
Less than half an hour later one of the senior officials came up to me and said this is your lucky day, we managed to get the reg belonging to this bike and it's not stolen so they issued the replacement book there and then, when i looked at the reg it was a uk reg i said there must be some mistake, he said no the bike had been taxed here on that reg.
Anyway he was very helpful,so much so that he said in the event you lose or can't get a book just take a decleration form to a commissioner of oaths to verify who you are and we will issue a replacement book in your name.

My point if you had a particular vehicle that you wanted to put an Irish reg on and you spotted an ad with a tax book for sale and the no on display for €100 €150 why would anyone pay that when for €20 you can get it your self ? either way you are breaking the law.
From what i have heard over the years from a few enthusiasts there is a legitimate way of transferring an old Irish reg , for a substantial fee, as i've never needed to do it i'm at a loss of how to, but i'm sure some one on here might know .

carchaeologist

Well, I have been told that on more than one occasion even now it's possible to legitimately transfer an old number still, yet iv never seen hard evidence to verify that fact.
In saying that there's a Sierra pickup that iv seen running a 1981 Kerry ****IN number, yet it still shows on Cartell as a Sierra 1.8TD, a vehicle that was not introduced here untill the late 80s, if not the early 1990s at the very least. This one is a real puzzle as its definatly done post 87, when the free for all 'legitimate transfers' of ancient numbers supposedly ceased?
Even the standard Sierra was not a current model in Ireland until 1983 so therefore cold not have ever had an IN plate.

68deville

Here is an interesting one!in the 90s i imported a 4x4 from japan and a friend of mine in cork in the trade had a customer for it,registered it 96 C xxxxx,sale never happened and he got it deregistered from the 96 C and a few months later i sold it to a lad from Kilkenny and i registered it 96 KK,
maybe this was commonplace but first and last time i heard of it being done.

Silvera

Interesting stories.

I know it was possible to get a reg transfer from a scrapped vehicle onto a car up until c.1987. Example - 'GTI 205' was transferred from a scrapped 1965 Morris Minor to a 1984 Peugeot 205 GTi back in the mid-1980's - I was told this by the owner himself, George Frayne of Fraynes Peugeot Garage (Naas), many year ago. To my knowledge this practice is no longer possible.

With regard to current reg plates, to my knowledge only the Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB) are allowed to de-register and re-register vehicles which they seize and sell on.
Having said that, if the CAB are allowed to do so then there must be legislation in place to allow for 'de-registration' of a vehicle?!

MrFoxman360

Silvera wrote: »

Having said that, if the CAB are allowed to do so then there must be legislation in place to allow for 'de-registration' of a vehicle?!

I know my local tractor dealership did that with a new tractor that was registered, and for some reason was not required, so it was de registered and then registered again a few months later. (after the new year conviently enough :rolleyes:) That was about 3 years ago

Edit: actually no, that was 2006 -2007, doesn't time fly?

68deville

A neighbour of mine long deceased could barely manage to get her Fiesta to mass,attrocious driver but had a relative in the local authority licencing department and issued her with ever licence available at the time!!u name it
she had the licence for it!my point being that if you knew;) somebody in the right place no doubt it helped!thats Ireland for ya:D:D

kev1.3s

Not the same I know but a similar story I was told today by a man who said that he bought a new car in Nov 1980 and got a favorable deal as it was approaching the end of the year and for the next two months drove around with" for reg" displayed as the vehicle was awaiting registration and subsequently received a 1981 reg, also said that in December of that year he drove the car to Manchester and due to the lack of official plates didn't care too much about parking restrictions and he received a parking ticket with the number plate space on it filled out as the aforementioned for reg!
He reckons that Manchester council have spent the last 30 years or so looking for Reg ha ha.

corktina

kev1.3s wrote: »

Not the same I know but a similar story I was told today by a man who said that he bought a new car in Nov 1980 and got a favorable deal as it was approaching the end of the year and for the next two months drove around with" for reg" displayed as the vehicle was awaiting registration and subsequently received a 1981 reg, also said that in December of that year he drove the car to Manchester and due to the lack of official plates didn't care too much about parking restrictions and he received a parking ticket with the number plate space on it filled out as the aforementioned for reg!
He reckons that Manchester council have spent the last 30 years or so looking for Reg ha ha.

Reg Holdsworth no doubt!

We bought an Opel Kadett new in 1988 and did the same 89C8426...everyone did that then

carchaeologist

I came across an Anglia a few years back, so rotten that I took the entire rear panel to get the plate, when I drilled off the rivets and lifted the plate 'For Reg' was written underneath in chalk. Amazing how it survived the 40 years.