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The elephant in the room thread.

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    #92
    Capri
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    corktina wrote: »
    Reg Holdsworth no doubt!

    We bought an Opel Kadett new in 1988 and did the same 89C8426...everyone did that then

    Bit like the Polish driver Prawo Jazdy that got tickets here - Prawo Jazdy is Polish for 'driver Licence' - thick culchie Gardai :p

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/4732923/Prawo-Jazdy-Identity-of-Irelands-most-notorious-driver-uncovered.html


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    corktina wrote: »

    Reg Holdsworth no doubt!

    We bought an Opel Kadett new in 1988 and did the same 89C8426...everyone did that then

    Me too - I even had a 'proper' plate made up with For Reg on it. Rode my bike from...Sept ? ....to Jan to get - or try to - 80 G 1. Drat. Missed it by 1, and ended up with 80 G 2......

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    John Larkin
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    galwaytt wrote: »
    Me too - I even had a 'proper' plate made up with For Reg on it. Rode my bike from...Sept ? ....to Jan to get - or try to - 80 G 1. Drat. Missed it by 1, and ended up with 80 G 2......

    Are you saying that you bought a 1980 bike in September 1986 and then waited for the new registration system to come in on the 1st of January 1987?


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    galwaytt wrote: »
    Me too - I even had a 'proper' plate made up with For Reg on it. Rode my bike from...Sept ? ....to Jan to get - or try to - 80 G 1. Drat. Missed it by 1, and ended up with 80 G 2......

    Wasn't unusual to see a car driving round from Oct to Jan with for reg on it. Made a fair old difference when you sold it a few years down the road. It was after all a year newer. Also around that time many garage owners stuck a garage plate on the window and drove a new car. I once bought a car from such a garage it had 10k miles on it but still had not been registered as a new car.:D;) Times have certainly changed.


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    I still see on occasion a new car being driven around with for instance "the new corolla" on the number plate! Presumably out on test drive but still it can't be legal can it?


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    kev1.3s wrote: »
    I still see on occasion a new car being driven around with for instance "the new corolla" on the number plate! Presumably out on test drive but still it can't be legal can it?

    Unless they have trade plates in the window.


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    shawnee wrote: »
    ...I once bought a car from such a garage it had 10k miles on it but still had not been registered as a new car.:D;) Times have certainly changed.

    The big difference between then and now is that, back then (before 1992), a new car being driven on 'For Reg', or trade plates, already had the tax paid (excise duty on import), whereas the VRT which replaced excise duty (so the government could get around the EU single market rules), means that Revenue don't get their pound of flesh unless a car is registered, so dealers will not (can not?) give you the keys unless the VRT is paid, and the plates attached.


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    Muckie
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    corktina wrote: »
    I've a keen interest in history...I like to learn the why and wherefore of things....if you go to an Irish car show, you learn the history of motoring ...





    IN THE UK!

    Agree with what you saying, but the sad fact is alot of Irish cars weren't minded.

    Became "ditch fillers, gate blockers" by Irish Farmers, when you ask about them, they would like a small fortune for them....


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    galwaytt
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    John Larkin wrote: »

    Are you saying that you bought a 1980 bike in September 1986 and then waited for the new registration system to come in on the 1st of January 1987?

    Lol no !
    I bought an '80 bike, an import, in Sept 86, and waited til the new reg system came in in Jan 87.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    Capri
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    Muckie wrote: »
    Agree with what you saying, but the sad fact is alot of Irish cars weren't minded.

    Became "ditch fillers, gate blockers" by Irish Farmers, when you ask about them, they would like a small fortune for them....

    The 'scrappage' scare/plot got a lot of good cars off the road - people were scared by the Govt/SIMI into thinking their good cars would fail the NCT so they panicked like the sheep the Irish public are and put themselves into debt for ****boxes.

    Luckily the few that weren't panicked can now get a decent few bob for their 'gate fillers - they deserve it for not falling for the Govt/SIMI scare :rolleyes:


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    corktina
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    interesting scandal in the UK...could easily happen here...

    http://www.buysellcortina.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/54077-spot-the-differance/page__pid__476001#entry476001


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    You need to be registered to see the thread - what's the summary?


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    corktina
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    register, it's free and a great cortina site...too complicated to summarize! Involves cloning and insurance fraud.


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    MrFoxman360
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    corktina wrote: »
    register, it's free and a great cortina site...too complicated to summarize! Involves cloning and insurance fraud.

    Surely you could just copy and paste the story, save everyone the bother of having to register

    (I am already a member but the link still doesnt work anyway :confused: )


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    jetfiremuck
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    ciarancapri wrote: »
    Actually he has, as he is now using Discovery II bodies on the vintage chassis's he imports. The body mounts are the same.

    No there not. The Disco 2 has a longer chassis and body than the Disco1. While the 100" wheelbase of the Classic range rover and disco 1 up to the disco 2 are the same, I cant see a pre 80 chassis fitting a Disco 2 body.


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    corktina
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    link works for me...lots of pictures

    Posted Yesterday, 08:30 PM
    .Ford Escort RS 2000 Tarmac Spec rally car
    Reg: YWE 21T

    From West Midlands

    ...Stolen by thieves from the home address who went to considerably lengths to take this particular car!

    If you can help please contact the Police.
    ................. YWE 21T

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    :............... MPY 568P

    http://www.classic-a...2000-31967.aspx

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    Posted Yesterday, 08:34 PM
    interesting read on the escort site.....got a bit boring tho obviously the same car
    and the insurance company now know the truth ....whoops someones in trouble
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    Posted Yesterday, 08:37 PM
    danb, on 11 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:
    interesting read on the escort site.....got a bit boring tho obviously the same car
    and the insurance company now know the truth ....whoops someones in trouble


    yep Dan with us anal lot how do they think they could get away with it
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    Posted Yesterday, 08:37 PM
    Interesting. I'm not on the Escort site so what's the general gist on there?
    Click here tp see my '71 1.6 saloon
    Or here for my '83 2.8i Capri
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    Posted Yesterday, 10:28 PM
    Scumbags

    Looks like its registered for a historic rally with the sponser sunstrip and door squares. Same as I used to fit for escort rally cars so hope it doesn't go or itl not be a nice car any more. Be covered in gravel rash
    Never judge a Cortina by its rust!!




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    #6 the-ford-cortina.com

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    Posted Yesterday, 11:14 PM
    SPOT THE DIFFERANCE

    gearstick

    no panel in front of the gearstick in second car


    needs police forensic examination though - hopefully stolen car owner has some paint left over -- no 2 mixes of paint are ever exactly the same
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    Posted Yesterday, 11:24 PM
    TIBBs my brain might be slow but

    it had the p plate bk in 2010 and then probably it was nicked and put on t plate and now again its been nicked ??
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    Posted Today, 01:00 AM
    From what I'm reading, I think someone insured 'their' RS2000 using pics from another persons car, cleverly disguised with their own reg matching 'their' V5. They then claim the insurance for the theft except that in this case the classic car peeps have helped the insurance industry find it's a fraud.

    Apparently the actual owner of the car is a bit upset that people think he's involved in the scam.

    That's supposing what I've read is correct though.

    It has highlighted a potential area of fraud too...

    You own your nice classic motor.
    You buy a log book off a well known auction site for a motor very similar.
    You claim your motor is stolen.
    You change the spec of your motor to match your newly acquired log book.
    You pocket the insurance money and continue to drive your motor with a new paint job and plates.
    Click here tp see my '71 1.6 saloon
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    Posted Today, 08:08 AM
    .........................................( This was copied from old school ford ) This may be whats happend ?


    At a guess here's how the scam (if that's what it is) may have worked let's say YWE21T is the actual car

    and MPY568P is a set of tags and logbook bought from ebay, the original MPY568P being scrapped years ago.

    Two guys at different address's but within a reasonable distance from each other (100 mile radius) work together they buy YWE21T and the tags/logbook from ebay for MPY568P.

    They insure both (at seperate addresses in different names with different companies). They grind off or weld over the chassis number on the inner wing. Then Man A takes YWE21T to a local test station for a MOT then gets a tax disc for it. Then they change the tags & number plates over from YWE21T to MPY568P. Man B then takes it for an MOT in his area and gets a tax disc for it. MPY568P is then stored at Man B's garage.

    YWE21T is reported stolen from Man A's garage (after they damage the door and break some windows). MPY568P then appears for sale as a genuine car. So they get the insurance pay out for YWE21T and they get MPY568P to sell on.

    The person who buys MPY568P loses £26,995 (if the scam is discovered) as does the insurance company (who then increase our premiums).
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    Posted Today, 09:04 AM
    the car is for sale at the moment dave cant copy your link you put on here for it in off topic
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    Posted Today, 09:18 AM
    Ah yes thats the sort of thing - I was presuming from the first post that the stolen car had been rung and up for sale.

    A similar scam from years ago

    These brothers were selling cars with twinned IDs , THEY WOULD KEEP SPARE KEYS - take the car back during the night and switch the car rapidly back to its REAL ID thus being able to safely have possesion of the car and the stolen one vanished into thin air. a lot harder to do these days with HPI checks etc.
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    #108
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    Jesus, thats scary stuff, remember a few years back with Jap imported

    cars arriving with two keys, dodgy importer sells on the car with one.

    Then a few weeks/months later comes to drive away the car in the middle of the night.

    Hard to trust anyone.


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    68deville wrote: »
    Here is an interesting one!in the 90s i imported a 4x4 from japan and a friend of mine in cork in the trade had a customer for it,registered it 96 C xxxxx,sale never happened and he got it deregistered from the 96 C and a few months later i sold it to a lad from Kilkenny and i registered it 96 KK,
    maybe this was commonplace but first and last time i heard of it being done.

    It is possible to change the registration once motor tax hasn't been paid.

    A friend of mine was looking for a new s class back in 2000, none of the dealers in dublin couldn't get one for him but he managed to find a KY registered s class in tralee where the original sale had fallen through.

    The dealer was able to de-register the car and re-redister it with a D reg, apparently if motor tax is paid this route is blocked


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    kuro2k wrote: »
    It is possible to change the registration once motor tax hasn't been paid.

    A friend of mine was looking for a new s class back in 2000, none of the dealers in dublin couldn't get one for him but he managed to find a KY registered s class in tralee where the original sale had fallen through.

    The dealer was able to de-register the car and re-redister it with a D reg, apparently if motor tax is paid this route is blocked

    Interesting.


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    mountai
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    Marlin Berlinetta -- For sale on DD --- Doesnt look like a 1979 Granada (Beige) to me !!!!


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    http://www.adverts.ie/motorbike-parts-accessories/old-brown-logbook-triumph/3366966


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    Carazy wrote: »
    http://www.adverts.ie/motorbike-parts-accessories/old-brown-logbook-triumph/3366966

    TZT 47 log book advertised

    I see the first owner was in Ballinspittle where the moving statues came from. :rolleyes:


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    hopefully the Revenue find it too!


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    Genuine land rover reshells/rebodies do exist and I've a pain in my @rse from trying to defend the one I built/preserved in a nut shell it is 1978 range rover two door chassis and running gear and had both a fourtrak and a defender engine in it defender when imported,with a 1984 registered 1983(Feb) build body and interior and a 3.5 v8 and 3 speed auto of indeterminate origin.I posted pics only the other day on pics of your classic there's also a video on you tube.A consequence of all this @rsing around is the last time I checked on the cartells etc. Its still listed as a vouge TDI something the revenue did cos they didn't know what to describe it as on the docs. At this stage I'm an expert at identifying year specific details of range rovers and I can honestly say that about quarter of them are genuine if anybody Want's lessons just ask me ,early 4 doors like mine are the big victim in all of this they are just gone,don't even get me started on the discovery on vintage chassis bit.why all this pain ,simple I have no money and this thing hasn't cost me much more than time.I normally describe it as a 1983 car to spare the explanations/history lesson.Apologies for text posted from a phone.


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    Sorry lost start of above thread should have read along the lines of "A classic example of all of the above Range Rovers"


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    the running gear and body/interior have no bearing on it. If it's a 1978 chassis , then that's what it is still. It's the ones that claim to have Vintage chassis' but in reality are modern vehicles ringed behind a vintage taxbook that are the Elephant here.


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    adunis
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    corktina wrote: »
    the running gear and body/interior have no bearing on it. If it's a 1978 chassis , then that's what it is still. It's the ones that claim to have Vintage chassis' but in reality are modern vehicles ringed behind a vintage taxbook that are the Elephant here.
    What can I say personally I hope some day they crush all the ringers unfortunately anything built before and after 1980 is a potential ringer those of seperate chassis construction are even more likely to be.I personally think a classic should be based on how many of a particular thing are left the truly awful will be completely gone regardless and even if they ain't they prrob deserve the title by default.


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    adunis wrote: »
    What can I say personally I hope some day they crush all the ringers unfortunately anything built before and after 1980 is a potential ringer those of seperate chassis construction are even more likely to be.I personally think a classic should be based on how many of a particular thing are left the truly awful will be completely gone regardless and even if they ain't they prrob deserve the title by default.
    P.s. there's a good chance I'll be at crossbarry today children dependant if you want to say hello I'll be there with a big blue v8 house brick !!!!!!!


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    adunis wrote: »
    Genuine land rover reshells/rebodies do exist and I've a pain in my @rse from trying to defend the one I built/preserved in a nut shell it is 1978 range rover two door chassis and running gear and had both a fourtrak and a defender engine in it defender when imported,with a 1984 registered 1983(Feb) build body and interior and a 3.5 v8 and 3 speed auto of indeterminate origin.I posted pics only the other day on pics of your classic there's also a video on you tube.A consequence of all this @rsing around is the last time I checked on the cartells etc. Its still listed as a vouge TDI something the revenue did cos they didn't know what to describe it as on the docs. At this stage I'm an expert at identifying year specific details of range rovers and I can honestly say that about quarter of them are genuine if anybody Want's lessons just ask me ,early 4 doors like mine are the big victim in all of this they are just gone,don't even get me started on the discovery on vintage chassis bit.why all this pain ,simple I have no money and this thing hasn't cost me much more than time.I normally describe it as a 1983 car to spare the explanations/history lesson.Apologies for text posted from a phone.

    Was it difficult to do the changeover?

    So its straight forward tochange an up to 95 range rover classic and discovery 1 to 97 to a pre 80 range rover chassis is the way to go Isnt the rear shock placement is a clue as to the chassis year?


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    adunis
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    jetfiremuck wrote: »
    Was it difficult to do the changeover?

    So its straight forward tochange an up to 95 range rover classic and discovery 1 to 97 to a pre 80 range rover chassis is the way to go Isnt the rear shock placement is a clue as to the chassis year?

    Nuts and bolts/hot spanner grinder ,piece of pi55,but why ?,weld the body up and don't bastardise it,here's a news flash a 1983 range rover is just as nice as a 1994 one,if your really pushed put a 5 speed manual and anti roll bars which will lose you your staggered shocks/early axle and people won't believe its old ,also v8 will do 18 mpg all day long if you don't live in town put it on gas its will be the monetary equivalent of 24ish mpg,diesel 30 mpg at best how much are you gonna use it ?


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