I have a Wii U - General Discussion.

Wright

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Stop stop

You are just making it worse for yourself.

When you are stuck in a hole, stop digging!

There is no substitute for playing the game on original hardware.
And as for playing ROMs on a PC and thinking a modern display makes it all better, and you talk about "better resolution"?
They are supposed to be played at the resolution they are developed for.
By running them through a emulator you just blow the pixels up and see them instead on a LCD monitor, nasty...

This is not really true for 3D games.

Also, pixels are generally perfectly visible on most of the hardware you listed. I don't mind pixels blown up on a large HDTV; quite a nice look. As long as the individual pixels are sharp, and theres no reason they wouldnt be.

CiDeRmAn

A CRT based display does a lot of work smoothing the image, along with the scanlines, features an LCD display just can't match.

Just buy the original console,, an RGB cable and a cheap Sony Trinitron, off you go to happy land.

Wright

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

A CRT based display does a lot of work smoothing the image,

Is this what retrogamers aspire to? News to me. I kinda want to retain the pixelated look, I like it.

(When its intentional and not cause Nintendo is just being cheap. F@♡* 3DS' ppi)

Retr0gamer

CRT tech is far better than LCD technology. LCDs, even modern ones have very poor colour and blacks compared to CRT. They only won out because they are cheaper, smaller and less power hungry. Everything will look better on a CRT especially retro games (wish I had gotten my hands on one of those rare HD CRT screens when they were around.

Also the pixelated look is a total fallacy. Old games never looked pixelated, that's just a result of people playing emulators or digital releases on LCD screens with no scan lines. The scan lines create an antialiasing effect meaning games, even if low res look smooth and not blocky. Games never looked blocky like indie games seem to think they do.

As for emulation, emulation is not very accurate (with exceptions like BSNES that emulate to near transistor level but they require a crazy powerful PC to run). Unless it's something like the ports that M2 who are specialists then emulation is just 'good enough' that most people won't notice and far from accurate. Also you can't emulate the scanline look of a CRT, BSNES can be run in super high resolution with shaders that an emulate scan lines quite well but most emulators use something like super eagle smoothing that does fake antialiasing but also destroys detail in the sprites and ultimately looks a bit crap.

Wright

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Also the pixelated look is a total fallacy. Old games never looked pixelated, that's just a result of people playing emulators or digital releases on LCD screens with no scan lines. The scan lines create an antialiasing effect meaning games, even if low res look smooth and not blocky. Games never looked blocky like indie games seem to think they do.

Nah, I can see pixels perfectly well on consoles like the NES and the Gameboy. I'd have to look again at newer platforms. Fallacy or no, people generally like the look. Makes for a nice change to 4XMSAA on everything; its deliberate, there's artistic choice put into it, rather than simply being a limitation of the hardware. There's a beautiful 'shorthand' to it.

I'm aware that enthusiasts can be quite... demanding with what they game retro on, I've seen several eh... in depth threads on the likes of Neogaf but I'm fine with nice big blocky retro on an IPS. I'm sure there's ghosting or something that would be a dealbreaker for some when it comes to IPS, but it looks fine to me. If you can't see the pixels in retro games chances are you can't spot panel weaknesses either.

Retr0gamer

The Gameboy is a LCD screen so pixels are very easy to make out but a NES on a CRT is very different.

Now I'm not saying everyone needs to go out and only play old games on original hardware with a CRT, I've to play my old consoles on a LCD due to the space in the room I currently live in but really that pixelated look really isn't what people were seeing back in the day but false nostalgia due to emulation on LCD monitors.

HG101 did a good article on it and I'm stealing a picture of theirs.

Pac Man as people see him now:



How he actually looked on a CRT (bad image quality, he'd look a lot better aliased in real life):



It's kind of like how college girls see the 80's these days, all pink and neon seen through the eyes of flash dance.



How people actually dressed in the 80's:



I was in Japan recently and one of the most glorious things I saw were all those old arcade classics on Egret cabinets with their massive almost flat CRT's with scanlines. The games just looked gorgeous on them.

CiDeRmAn

You misunderstand, these games were designed to be played on a CRT, at a time when they were developed on development kits that displayed on CRT monitors.
An LCD is a poor poor substitute and only makes the games look dreadful.
RGB only on a good quality TV set.
Original hardware, it's a necessary thing, as well as original controllers.
Zelda Link to the Past should only be played on a SNES.

Wright

Yeah gimme that first pacman over the second any day. Personal preference I suppose. Similarly, I wouldn't run Mario Galaxy on Dolphin at 480p, whether Nintendo feels thats the 'way its meant to be seen'or not. Crank that bad boy up to 1080p I do.

I just finished up 14 months in Japan. It's good for that stuff alright. Found one of those CRT's with a SNES built into it on Craigslist but it was too pricey and the pillock had painted a rainbow on its outer casing, would've needed re-spraying, wasn't worth it. Lots of little gems floating around though.

Allyall

I saw this after reading the comments from Retr0gamer and CiDeRmAn
It must be one of the better articles on the subject..
(To explain it)
http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/456719-best-crt-retro-games/

Needless to say I attempted to look for a Sony FD Trinitron WEGA KD-34XBR960

I had no intentions of buying one, just wanted to see their price. I didn't even think that it would be near impossible to buy one..

Retr0gamer

There's people throwing those Sony Monitors out and giving them away for free these days.

CastorTroy

Devil's Third online multiplayer to be released F2P on PC
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-07-21-nintendo-published-devils-third-is-coming-to-pc

cloud493

CastorTroy wrote: »

Devil's Third online multiplayer to be released F2P on PC
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-07-21-nintendo-published-devils-third-is-coming-to-pc

That sounds like the metaphorical nail in the coffin of any chance of this game being decent.

sligeach

Allyall wrote: »

I saw this after reading the comments from Retr0gamer and CiDeRmAn
It must be one of the better articles on the subject..
(To explain it)
http://www.tested.com/tech/gaming/456719-best-crt-retro-games/

Needless to say I attempted to look for a Sony FD Trinitron WEGA KD-34XBR960

I had no intentions of buying one, just wanted to see their price. I didn't even think that it would be near impossible to buy one..

I sold mine about a year ago. It was a great TV. But it was just way too big, took up a massive amount of space and weighed a tonne. Got about €40. I think it was worth more. May buy one again in the future if I've more space. I used it for all my retro gaming right up to and including the Wii.

Machismo Fan

Yoshi's Woolly World has a freaking amazing soundtrack. This track in particular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK6L5i4vtj8

Wright

Where's the cheapest place online to get physical Wii U games in Europe? Even in Smyths they seem pretty expensive... and I can't find Wind Waker anywhere.

sligeach

Wright wrote: »

Where's the cheapest place online to get physical Wii U games in Europe? Even in Smyths they seem pretty expensive... and I can't find Wind Waker anywhere.

WOWHD used to be great. Now their prices have gone up and their selection is greatly reduced.

http://www.ie.wowhd.com/games/Nintendo-Wii-U-7432379

Keep an eye on HotUKDeals for bargains.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/tag/wii-u?mforwarded=true

johnpatrick81

Wind Waker physical copy new is notoriously hard to get cheap. I ended up getting it relatively cheap on eBay new from Australia. I still haven't tried it, do Australian region games work on an Irish Wii U?

Also, must mention, I got my Wii U in December, along with a Pro Controller. I remember you guys mentioning the incredible battery life of said controller. Granted I only use it for Mario Kart mainly, but we're 7 months down the line and I have yet to recharge it..........does it run on nuclear power?!?!? That's incredible!

Tipsy McSwagger

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Wind Waker physical copy new is notoriously hard to get cheap. I ended up getting it relatively cheap on eBay new from Australia. I still haven't tried it, do Australian region games work on an Irish Wii U?

Also, must mention, I got my Wii U in December, along with a Pro Controller. I remember you guys mentioning the incredible battery life of said controller. Granted I only use it for Mario Kart mainly, but we're 7 months down the line and I have yet to recharge it..........does it run on nuclear power?!?!? That's incredible!

I've recharged mine once. It's an amazing achievement compared to the battery life of the PS4 controller which is around 6-8 hours.

Wright

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Wind Waker physical copy new is notoriously hard to get cheap. I ended up getting it relatively cheap on eBay new from Australia. I still haven't tried it, do Australian region games work on an Irish Wii U?

Also, must mention, I got my Wii U in December, along with a Pro Controller. I remember you guys mentioning the incredible battery life of said controller. Granted I only use it for Mario Kart mainly, but we're 7 months down the line and I have yet to recharge it..........does it run on nuclear power?!?!? That's incredible!

Aus is PAL so you should be ok.

Looks like I'll have to spring for the collectors edition... oh dear :P

CiDeRmAn

I'm still trying to find a reasonably priced copy of Wii Sports Club.
Didn't get a large print run it seems and it's fairly expensive

sligeach

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I'm still trying to find a reasonably priced copy of Wii Sports Club.
Didn't get a large print run it seems and it's fairly expensive

It's not very good though and the servers are terrible with hardly anybody online. To have it for collection purposes I'd understand but to play? No thanks. It's practically the same as Wii Sports, just with a lick of HD paint.

cloud493

sligeach wrote: »

It's not very good though and the servers are terrible with hardly anybody online. To have it for collection purposes I'd understand but to play? No thanks. It's practically the same as Wii Sports, just with a lick of HD paint.

This is the person that owns a virtual boy.

Banjo

is it any good for local play, and does the HD lick of paint make any significant improvement over Sports and Sports Resort on the Wii? I'd want it mainly for local play of Tennis and Bowling, but I have the original 2.

Wright

cloud493 wrote: »

This is the person that owns a virtual boy.

I'd love to own a Virtual Boy. I don't think there's any relevancy between VB and servers either; I don't remember there being a whole lot of online options on the Virtual Boy.

cloud493

Wright wrote: »

I'd love to own a Virtual Boy. I don't think there's any relevancy between VB and servers either; I don't remember there being a whole lot of online options on the Virtual Boy.

I mean he would buy some... interesting purchases :pac:

_Godot_

I've got my Wii U set up and I'm loving it. I've been playing Wind Waker and trying out some Wii games on the gamepad and it's brilliant that I can play when someone else is using the tv.

Gizmo55

Got Splatoon today. I've no idea why I didn't get it before now. It's brilliant, can't stop playing it.

CiDeRmAn

Wright wrote: »

I'd love to own a Virtual Boy. I don't think there's any relevancy between VB and servers either; I don't remember there being a whole lot of online options on the Virtual Boy.

I prefer physical releases and the golf game is quite clever.
Same for the VB, though in its case it's Mario Tennis!

Ace Attorney

=

New devils third video. Multiplayer footage is a 2.36 mins in. Looks intresting.

Allyall

Right.

This is a bit embarrassing.
Three days ago my Wii U gamepad charger packed in. Stopped working. No more juice. Zip. Nada. Killed by the fall of a tree.

I muttered utterances under my breath about how dare nintendo attach such a shoddily made product and ship it with theirs.
I looked up alternative models, where to buy them etc. (I Looked a lot further than those).
And I googled "Wii U gamepad charger problems" - and found it to be a 'well known' issue.
:o:o:o:o:o

This morning I woke up, feeling a little bored and sick of other consoles atm.
Thinking what to do.. one word popped into my head..

"FUSE"

A part of me was really kind of hoping that wasn't the problem, as that really is basic stuff.. It should have been the first thing I checked...

It was.

The Fuse in the Gamepad Charger is a 3A. It will blow quicker than a 10A or 13A for example, but that is to protect the sacred gamepad.
I have a 10A in at the minute, just to charge it (I'm hoping that there will be no power surges or faults until it is charged), and I am getting a 3A to put in it today.
I'm going to buy a few, as I'd imagine these go quite easily.

Sorry for the Long post.

TL:DR

If your Wii U Gamepad Charger died or Changed a Fleeting World for an Immortal Rest - It may be the Fuse.
Check that first.