prime time cut my dole .

2 stroke

mikemac1 wrote: »

Marks & Spencers?

No. Guess again.

snubbleste

2 stroke wrote: »

...
I was in a shop recently that had a 'shop local' campaign sticker on the door and till. There were no irish made goods in the shop.

It was a shop in your locality as opposed to a big shopping centre or online.

mikemac1

You're like Biggins

Vague references and never just giving the information

What shop in Ireland sells no Irish products at all?

2 stroke

mikemac1 wrote: »

You're like Biggins

O God no. I'll try to change, therapy, anything.

mikemac1 wrote: »

What shop in Ireland sells no Irish products at all?

Try walking into a few clothes or shoe shops and asking to see only irish goods.

CRM Ireland

Sin City wrote: »

Seriously, stereotype much?

A few points

First off its not your money, its the states money.

Second

Unhealthy food is cheaper than good food hence weight gain amognst the poor.

Third

Most people dont want to be on the dole, your example was one person. Give a job to someone else and they would probably bite your hand off for it. Slagging people off for being on the dole is just childish. If you think its a cushy life being on the dole then by all means go on the dole, Im sure someone else would only be too happy to take your job while you lead the good life at the tax payers expence.

Forth point , There arent enough jobs in the state for everyone in the state so your go look for a job reference is a moot point

Lastly if you feel aggrieved on how your tax money is spent than by all means stop paying tax instead of bitching on the boards, or are you just happy to be a keyboard warrior on here and complain and moan to anyone who will listen


Grow up ffs


PS the whole Im not into to reporting people to the welfare but I do tell everyone on here how the same people are screwing the system. If you think people on the dole are cheating the state, and you out of money then do the country a favour and report them, but you better be dam sure you have all your facts straight when reporting and not just relying on heresay

Where does the state get its money from? Its my money.

Weight gain is because people are consuming more calories than they burn. Sitting playing computer games late into the night, getting up just in time for Jeremy Kyle and then sitting on computers/smartphones posting on boards defending their begging doesnt burn a lot of calories. Its just a mathematical equation. McDonalds isnt a cheap source of food, its actually quite expensive. Education is provided for free in this country, so there is no excuse for not knowing about nutrition. Im not being entirely serious on this particular point, extreme stereotyping actually, however when you have visited tens of thousands of people on the dole in their home like I have, you may be in a better position to pass judgement.

Why should I give up my job? Im not a beggar. I dont expect other people to work to support me. Id only accept benefit as an absolute last resort if I had no other alternative. I would do ANY, and I mean any job out there. Id be on the shore picking whelks, Id be fishing, Id be growing my own vegetables, Id be out knocking on doors seeing if anyone needing any paid work doing. Id be on every website, Id walk into businesses/garages, farms asking if they had paid work going. I tell you what, I can guarantee you Id have found a job that would allow me to support myself in 1 week. We are extremely intelligent beings, we have this thing called initiative and we have the ability to do amazing things, if only we had the motivation to do it. The easy route to the welfare stifles that initiative. I even feel sorry for people who are long-term unemployed because there often rather broken, having given up all hope. Thats why I gave that particular person a chance. It might sound like Im being inhumane in my posts about this, but its actually just a mixture of anger and frustration thats built up over a long period of my life, well before I came to Ireland. This is a problem which is in the UK also.

Put it this way, if there was no welfare, all the long term unemployed would be doing something to support themselves. Probably breaking into my house....:eek: JOKE! I think its a joke....

Im fully entitled to come on Boards and express my opinion on the welfare state and its systematic abuse. Telling me to break the law and not pay tax is stupid. Oh and something else to consider with all the anger at small business owners, is that a huge amount of them are self-employed and have no right to collect any welfare money if their business shuts down. The staff they employ are entitled to benefits, but the owners of the business, despite them paying potentially vast sums of tax over the years, get nothing. Tell me, is that fair?

Why is it that when people choose to comment on my post, they elect to ignore that I CLEARLY stated my issue was with the long-term unemployed, the individuals who choose not to work because they dont feel it worth there while. There are thousands of people claiming for years who have contributed nothing at all to it. I was not referring to people who have been working, and through some misfortune find themselves unemployed and need help in the interim period. This was all very clear in my post and I shouldnt really have to say it again, but obviously I do.

Sin City

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Where does the state get its money from? Its my money.

You and you alone pay for the dole is it?
No, when your tax has been collected, it stops being your money

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Weight gain is because people are consuming more calories than they burn. Sitting playing computer games late into the night, getting up just in time for Jeremy Kyle and then sitting on computers/smartphones posting on boards defending their begging doesnt burn a lot of calories. Its just a mathematical equation. McDonalds isnt a cheap source of food, its actually quite expensive. Education is provided for free in this country, so there is no excuse for not knowing about nutrition.

Do you know how much say a bag of apples cost?
Its about 4 quid, a happy meal is about the same. People know about nutrition, but some cannot afford to buy all healthy food. (You dont seem to be able to grasp this concept)

Im not being entirely serious on this particular point, extreme stereotyping actually, however when you have visited tens of thousands of people on the dole in their home like I have, you may be in a better position to pass judgement.

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Why should I give up my job? Im not a beggar. I dont expect other people to work to support me. Id only accept benefit as an absolute last resort if I had no other alternative. I would do ANY, and I mean any job out there. Id be on the shore picking whelks, Id be fishing, Id be growing my own vegetables, Id be out knocking on doors seeing if anyone needing any paid work doing. Id be on every website, Id walk into businesses/garages, farms asking if they had paid work going. I tell you what, I can guarantee you Id have found a job that would allow me to support myself in 1 week. We are extremely intelligent beings, we have this thing called initiative and we have the ability to do amazing things, if only we had the motivation to do it. The easy route to the welfare stifles that initiative. I even feel sorry for people who are long-term unemployed because there often rather broken, having given up all hope. Thats why I gave that particular person a chance. It might sound like Im being inhumane in my posts about this, but its actually just a mixture of anger and frustration thats built up over a long period of my life, well before I came to Ireland. This is a problem which is in the UK also.

Again you do not that there is a lack of jobs at the moment. No matter how much you knock on doors you probably wont change that fact. No matter how much effort you put in has no bearing on job creation. You cant work a job that doesnt exist. Simple logic

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Put it this way, if there was no welfare, all the long term unemployed would be doing something to support themselves. Probably breaking into my house....:eek: JOKE! I think its a joke....

If people are desperate enough there is a strong possibility of that happening. Again you cannt work in a job that dosnt exist.

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Im fully entitled to come on Boards and express my opinion on the welfare state and its systematic abuse. Telling me to break the law and not pay tax is stupid. Oh and something else to consider with all the anger at small business owners, is that a huge amount of them are self-employed and have no right to collect any welfare money if their business shuts down. The staff they employ are entitled to benefits, but the owners of the business, despite them paying potentially vast sums of tax over the years, get nothing. Tell me, is that fair?

Yes your entitled to complain, but why not do something constructive about it instead of just abusing those on here who cannot find employment to support them and their family. Telling everyone that the state should make people ashamed and belittle them for being on the dole is childish.

Self employed people who loose their jobs should be entitled to the dole, yes thats true . You should lobby the government about that.

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Why is it that when people choose to comment on my post, they elect to ignore that I CLEARLY stated my issue was with the long-term unemployed, the individuals who choose not to work because they dont feel it worth there while. There are thousands of people claiming for years who have contributed nothing at all to it. I was not referring to people who have been working, and through some misfortune find themselves unemployed and need help in the interim period. This was all very clear in my post and I shouldnt really have to say it again, but obviously I do.

Define long term unemployed?
Six months?

A year

Two years?

What about recent graduates who educated themselves but never worked and now find themselves on the dole?

Should they be abused also?

If this recession continues should everyone doles stop because there isnt enough work to go around?

CRM Ireland

2 years. Thats long-term. I dont care what you or anyone else posts about there being no work anywhere. Youre talking utter ****e. There are jobs. Its a fact.

I dont need to lobby the Goverment about welfare because I will always have a job. The same as I did when I came here. I started a job with an Irish employer and thought to myself "bah they dont have a clue what they are doing" and then created my own job. I have a great life and in actual fact, this recession makes my job easier and easier, so on a purely selfish note, long may it continue, and long may the retailers reduce their prices to encourage spending because Ive got plenty of money to spend and now my money is going further and further despite all the leeches.

Why dont you get other users posts and then try and twist their words to suit your own end. I dont care what your opinions are, because the second you start typing bollocks as you have done here several times, I lose interest in replying to you.

If I was a graduate and couldnt find a job, Id move somewhere I could find one, the same as all the other Europeans who have made their way here to Ireland. I actually specifically came to Ireland BECAUSE there is a recession.

Sin City

CRM Ireland wrote: »

2 years. Thats long-term. I dont care what you or anyone else posts about there being no work anywhere. Youre talking utter ****e. There are jobs. Its a fact.

Please provide a list of jobs for everyone on the dole. Cmon, lets get this country working. As you say there is a job for every single person on this island

CRM Ireland wrote: »

I dont need to lobby the Goverment about welfare because I will always have a job. The same as I did when I came here. I started a job with an Irish employer and thought to myself "bah they dont have a clue what they are doing" and then created my own job. I have a great life and in actual fact, this recession makes my job easier and easier, so on a purely selfish note, long may it continue, and long may the retailers reduce their prices to encourage spending because Ive got plenty of money to spend and now my money is going further and further despite all the leeches.

So what exactly are you complaining about?


Why dont you get other users posts and then try and twist their words to suit your own end. I dont care what your opinions are, because the second you start typing bollocks as you have done here several times, I lose interest in replying to you.

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And yet you still reply
Kindly show me where I have been wrong

CRM Ireland wrote: »

If I was a graduate and couldnt find a job, Id move somewhere I could find one, the same as all the other Europeans who have made their way here to Ireland. I actually specifically came to Ireland BECAUSE there is a recession.

Very hard to pay a mortgage while your abroad, or are you to pay both mortagate and flat while you look for a job abroad and God help you if you have a family too.

Please stop verbal diarrhea

Gummy Panda

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Im fully entitled to come on Boards and express my opinion on the welfare state and its systematic abuse.

Do you actually represent views of CRM Ireland?

joydivision

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Do you actually represent views of CRM Ireland?

Awh this is beautiful . Small company man expressing the views of the spokesperson .
Ive no sympathy for small business anymore . Go sell up and get a job in Tesco why dont ye .

CRM Ireland

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Do you actually represent views of CRM Ireland?

Its my company, so yes.

If someone bought a house they cannot afford, thats their own fault. There was some amount of greed during the boom and people spent spent spent. Doesnt take a degree in economics to understand it was the wrong thing to do.

There are probably not that many new graduates that bought a home and are stuck here. Where would they have got the money from if they were students?

Leaving this country to find employment elsewhere is the sensible thing to do. They could of course stay and just claim dole and moan about how tough things are and get themselves caught in a depressing spiral, sucking the will out of them. The problem is that there are so many people in Ireland now who have lost their way, who believe their own ****e about there being no jobs. If enough of you post the same pish you will start to think its actually true.

The reason we see so many eastern europeans in public facing jobs is because they didnt sit on their computers crying like little bitches about there being no jobs, they actually went out, and despite the prejudices of some employers, found themselves a job. Instead of bemoaning about all the foreigners in work "stealing" all the jobs you Irish thought you were too good to do a few years back, you should take a leaf out of their book and apply some effort into finding a job.

The amount of massive new houses built all around the country is amazing. 5-6 bedroom houses with 2 people living in them. Several cars in the drive, gas guzzlers which are off the road as they are too expensive to run. All of this are signs of people who are living way beyond their means and who didnt budget sensibly when things were good. Now when the bubble has burst, as it was fairly clear would happen, they struggle to heat their homes and pay the bills. It can be summed up in one word. GREED!

Bannasidhe

CRM Ireland wrote: »

2 years. Thats long-term. I dont care what you or anyone else posts about there being no work anywhere. Youre talking utter ****e. There are jobs. Its a fact.

I dont need to lobby the Goverment about welfare because I will always have a job. The same as I did when I came here. I started a job with an Irish employer and thought to myself "bah they dont have a clue what they are doing" and then created my own job. I have a great life and in actual fact, this recession makes my job easier and easier, so on a purely selfish note, long may it continue, and long may the retailers reduce their prices to encourage spending because Ive got plenty of money to spend and now my money is going further and further despite all the leeches.

Why dont you get other users posts and then try and twist their words to suit your own end. I dont care what your opinions are, because the second you start typing bollocks as you have done here several times, I lose interest in replying to you.

If I was a graduate and couldnt find a job, Id move somewhere I could find one, the same as all the other Europeans who have made their way here to Ireland. I actually specifically came to Ireland BECAUSE there is a recession.

How long exactly have you been here since you seem to be under the impression that your money is all that is keeping unemployed people?

Has it occurred to you that, conservative estimate, over 300,000 of those people currently claiming SW also paid taxes and PRSI?

Of course - if you don't like it how your taxes are used you do have the option to leave.

Maggie 2

Listening to a chat on Clare Byrne's show today, someone was asking for people who borrowed stamp duty with their mortgage to be exempt from household charge! Who the feck borrowed stamp duty? If they did, they deserve everything they get! By the time they pay it back, they'll have paid for it numerous times over!

CRM Ireland

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How long exactly have you been here since you seem to be under the impression that your money is all that is keeping unemployed people?

Has it occurred to you that, conservative estimate, over 300,000 of those people currently claiming SW also paid taxes and PRSI?

Of course - if you don't like it how your taxes are used you do have the option to leave.

Im glad they have paid. They contributed. Again, youre not reading or grasping the point I made. In case any other posters have eyesight issues I will make it a little more clear.

LONG-TERM UNEMPLOYED NOT LOOKING FOR WORK


There we go. I see things need to be spelled out really nice and simple for people to understand what Ive been talking about. Not once have I been talking about the people who are trying to find work, actually out there actively looking for a job. You know, doing EVERYTHING they can to find a way to support themselves. I have every sympathy in my heart for them and its an awful situation to be in and thats the kind of people I have no hesitation in helping when I contribute with my taxes.

As for the previous poster who said I could leave, why would I leave Ireland when Im contributing a lot of money and making a lot of money for myself and my family? If I were to leave, there would be several people joining the dole queue as they would have no job. Not the brightest post you made there.

juan.kerr

Who knew Prime Time had the ability to cut someones dole. Maybe Miriam isn't so bad afterall.

Sin City

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Im glad they have paid. They contributed. Again, youre not reading or grasping the point I made. In case any other posters have eyesight issues I will make it a little more clear.

LONG-TERM UNEMPLOYED NOT LOOKING FOR WORK


There we go. I see things need to be spelled out really nice and simple for people to understand what Ive been talking about. Not once have I been talking about the people who are trying to find work, actually out there actively looking for a job. You know, doing EVERYTHING they can to find a way to support themselves. I have every sympathy in my heart for them and its an awful situation to be in and thats the kind of people I have no hesitation in helping when I contribute with my taxes.

As for the previous poster who said I could leave, why would I leave Ireland when Im contributing a lot of money and making a lot of money for myself and my family? If I were to leave, there would be several people joining the dole queue as they would have no job. Not the brightest post you made there.

Do you have the exact figures for LONG-TERM UNEMPLOYED NOT LOOKING FOR WORK?



Now out of all those who are unemployed how much are are not looking?

CRM Ireland

Sin City wrote: »

Do you have the exact figures for LONG-TERM UNEMPLOYED NOT LOOKING FOR WORK?



Now out of all those who are unemployed how much are are not looking?

I dont need to have any figures. Id say a fair few have been posting in this thread!

Ive met them myself. Ive asked them "When did you last work?" "When did you last apply for a job?" and Im met with words like "Ive never worked" or "years and years ago when I first left school" or "no point in applying for a job Ive got no skills/experience" or "why apply when there are hundreds applying for the same job" or "Im Irish, Id need an eastern european passport to get a job."

Its much easier just to trot their fattening arses to the PO every week and claim that welfare cheque.

Cavehill Red

CRM Ireland wrote: »

I dont need to have any figures.

Actually, if you're going to make offensive allegations, then yes, you do need to back them up with something resembling facts.

Madam_X

It's my money (along with that of thousands and thousands of others) also that is being taxed to pay for the dole - and I'm fine with it. An individual going on about "their" money (nobody else's) paying for the dole is simply showing how selfish they are and how they have a problem with helping people who need it, because they're not getting anything back.

Not good for business to post such attitudes to Boards under your company's name either.

It's sickening that a few people take advantage of the welfare system, but I'm not going to let them overshadow the vast majority, who need it and would love to work if they could (and whose taxes when they were working also funded it).

CRM Ireland

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Actually, if you're going to make offensive allegations, then yes, you do need to back them up with something resembling facts.

No, actually I dont.

I wasnt making any accusations. Im reporting the facts.

Where are you getting any of your facts from? I meet these people daily. I ask them daily. Do you?

ToddyDoody

Nitpicking but would prefer if cut my dole was replaced with reduced my social welfare payment

CRM Ireland

Madam_X wrote: »

It's my money (along with that of thousands and thousands of others) also that is being taxed to pay for the dole - and I'm fine with it. An individual going on about "their" money (nobody else's) paying for the dole is simply showing how selfish they are and how they have a problem with helping people who need it, because they're not getting anything back.

Not good for business to post such attitudes to Boards under your company's name either.

It's sickening that a few people take advantage of the welfare system, but I'm not going to let them overshadow the vast majority, who need it and would love to work if they could (and whose taxes when they were working also funded it).

I already said Im more than happy to contribute if it means helping out others who are struggling. Not looking for a job is not someone who is struggling, its someone who is not looking for a job and I deem them unworthy of my help.

Giving welfare to people who dont look for a job is charity. I dont believe in charity. People need to help themselves a bit more.

If I could opt to not pay any taxes and in return, not receive any welfare, Id take that up in a heartbeat. Im not calling the police, requiring the social services, the courts or anything like that, so Id rather not have to pay for the dregs of this sorry excuse of a society who constantly require these services.

If I did find myself requiring those services, Id have paid some form of insurance, or simply paid for it myself. Is there actually anything wrong with being selfish? We are all conditioned to believe in this society concept....like sheep we give give give while the gap between the rich and the poor is increasing. Government after Government we are being fed lies and half truths, all the while we are struggling to get by. We complain and moan about things, but it goes on and on and nothing really gets done about it.

I look forward to the day when some form of revolution takes place, when the Irish people stand proud once more, just like you did against the British and decide your own fate.

Posting under my companies name is irrelevant. It wont affect it at all. I voice my opinions to these people very directly. I dont post things on here that I wouldnt say to anyone to their face. I have very strong opinions and I dont feel ashamed of that. Posters often hold back what they post because of fear of being ganged up on, or being banned. I dont worry about that. Im not writing anything that breaches any rules, and just having this debate is providing me with the viewpoint from the other side, to balance out my opinion.

I always wish that posters would tell me something new, something that I didnt realise, because then Im more informed.

cloud493

But how do you know you won't need the services tax pay for at some point? Then you'd be taking charity.

Sin City

CRM Ireland wrote: »

No, actually I dont.

I wasnt making any accusations. Im reporting the facts.

Where are you getting any of your facts from? I meet these people daily. I ask them daily. Do you?

Facts are backed up by evidence
Asking a few people when they worked is not facts and not representitive to those on the dole

Either back your 'facts' up or stop talking sh*te

CRM Ireland

Sin City wrote: »

Facts are backed up by evidence
Asking a few people when they worked is not facts and not representitive to those on the dole

Either back your 'facts' up or stop talking sh*te

I can post what I like. I dont need you to tell me what and when to post. So take your own advice.

I never said I asked a "few" people. I said I speak to people every single day. Ive spoken to literally tens of thousands of people in the last 11 years doing what I do. Its part of my job to ask about peoples finances.

So Im speaking from what I have heard. Not from studies or some other sources which have other agendas.

Sin City

CRM Ireland wrote: »

I can post what I like. I dont need you to tell me what and when to post. So take your own advice.

I never said I asked a "few" people. I said I speak to people every single day. Ive spoken to literally tens of thousands of people in the last 11 years doing what I do. Its part of my job to ask about peoples finances.

So Im speaking from what I have heard. Not from studies or some other sources which have other agendas.

Yes you can post what you like, but when you start making accusations and declare them facst then you should back up your claims. Saying you asked people isnt backing up facts.

Heresay is not admissible

Bannasidhe

CRM Ireland wrote: »

Im glad they have paid. They contributed. Again, youre not reading or grasping the point I made. In case any other posters have eyesight issues I will make it a little more clear.

LONG-TERM UNEMPLOYED NOT LOOKING FOR WORK


There we go. I see things need to be spelled out really nice and simple for people to understand what Ive been talking about. Not once have I been talking about the people who are trying to find work, actually out there actively looking for a job. You know, doing EVERYTHING they can to find a way to support themselves. I have every sympathy in my heart for them and its an awful situation to be in and thats the kind of people I have no hesitation in helping when I contribute with my taxes.

As for the previous poster who said I could leave, why would I leave Ireland when Im contributing a lot of money and making a lot of money for myself and my family? If I were to leave, there would be several people joining the dole queue as they would have no job. Not the brightest post you made there.

If that is the tone your company adopts during it's seminars I suspect your job is not as secure as you seem to believe.

We are in the 5th year of a recession with unemployment figures that despite messaging via jobbridge and other such schemes is stubbornly high. This means that there are people who lost their jobs 3/4/5 years ago but have been unable to secure full time employment.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE LONG-TERM EMPLOYED YOU ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE. Many of whom will have decades of taxes and PRSI contributions paid.

Madam_X

Madam_X wrote: »

An individual going on about "their" money (nobody else's) paying for the dole is simply showing how selfish they are and how they have a problem with helping people who need it, because they're not getting anything back.

Maybe they have a problem with the principle of it while they'd be happy to donate the same to charities if left to it themselves.

Although CRM ireland says he doesn't like that either, so I don't argue for him

Bannasidhe wrote: »

If that is the tone your company adopts during it's seminars I suspect your job is not as secure as you seem to believe.

We are in the 5th year of a recession with unemployment figures that despite messaging via jobbridge and other such schemes is stubbornly high. This means that there are people who lost their jobs 3/4/5 years ago but have been unable to secure full time employment.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE LONG-TERM EMPLOYED YOU ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE. Many of whom will have decades of taxes and PRSI contributions paid.

He's judging long term unemployed who aren't looking for work.
Not saying that all long term unemployed aren't looking for work.


edit: Okay maybe he is judging them all

CRM Ireland

3/4/5 years without a job? If you are physically and mentally able to work and have not found one after 5 years. You should be ashamed of yourself. Id take the dole money right off them. They would get nothing, not a bean. I bet you they would be working within a month.

5 years! OMG what a shower of cretins.

CRM Ireland

CRM Ireland wrote: »

5 years! OMG what a shower of cretins.

Good lord

Sin City

CRM Ireland wrote: »

3/4/5 years without a job? If you are physically and mentally able to work and have not found one after 5 years. You should be ashamed of yourself. Id take the dole money right off them. They would get nothing, not a bean. I bet you they would be working within a month.

5 years! OMG what a shower of cretins.

You dont seem to realise that there isnt enough jobs out there for everyone.
You dont seem to be able to grasp this very simple concept

Now matter how much you moan here about it, the fact the we have a shortage of jobs wont change, so come down off your high horse.

Coles

Sin City wrote: »

Do you know how much say a bag of apples cost?
Its about 4 quid, a happy meal is about the same. People know about nutrition, but some cannot afford to buy all healthy food. (You dont seem to be able to grasp this concept)

Oh dear God. Have you ever bought apples? How come you don't know the price of them? I reckon you could get 40 apples for €4 if you had a bit of cop on... But stick to the happy meals...

cloud493

If the work isn't there, how can they work?

Bannasidhe

bluewolf wrote: »

Maybe they have a problem with the principle of it while they'd be happy to donate the same to charities if left to it themselves.

Although CRM ireland says he doesn't like that either, so I don't argue for him




He's not judging long term unemployed.
He's judging long term unemployed who aren't looking for work.
Not saying that all long term unemployed aren't looking for work.

His comment about fat arses going to the PO would pretty much sum up his opinion IMHO.

He is judging blue - he is taking conversations with a few (unless he wants to say he has spoken to 300,000 + people) and extrapolating from that to make unqualified statement long-term unemployed people as not wanting to work ignoring the fact that there are very very few jobs out there. Everyone can't work in Tesco...

He also stated he moved to Ireland because of the recession but also said he has been paying taxes here for 11 years -. Facts just arn't adding up and that makes me suspicious, especially when someone is on their soapbox.

Sin City

Coles wrote: »

Oh dear God. Have you ever bought apples? How come you don't know the price of them? I reckon you could get 40 apples for €4 if you had a bit of cop on... But stick to the happy meals...

I bought apples today in tescos. they were 3.80e

Bannasidhe

Bannasidhe wrote: »

His comment about fat arses going to the PO would pretty much sum up his opinion IMHO.

He is judging blue - he is taking conversations with a few (unless he wants to say he has spoken to 300,000 + people) and extrapolating from that to make unqualified statement long-term unemployed people as not wanting to work ignoring the fact that there are very very few jobs out there. Everyone can't work in Tesco...

He also stated he moved to Ireland because of the recession but also said he has been paying taxes here for 11 years -. Facts just arn't adding up and that makes me suspicious, especially when someone is on their soapbox.

Yeah, you'll see my edit

Bannasidhe

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah, you'll see my edit

Saw it.

Cretin indeed.

Coles

Sin City wrote: »

I bought apples today in tescos. they were 3.80e

:rolleyes: I've a job for you. Go here, the Dublin Fruit Market, and buy apples (and other fruit/veg too) and sell them outside Tesco. Simples. You might even be able to create a business around it if you can sort out a shop or van, and if you put a bit of effort into it. Of course then you'll have to pay taxes to support the scroungers...

Coles

cloud493 wrote: »

If the work isn't there, how can they work?

By making work. Seeing opportunities and grasping them. Getting up off their asses and going for it.

cloud493

Which you need money for. An entrepreneur needs capital.

CRM Ireland

Bannasidhe wrote: »

His comment about fat arses going to the PO would pretty much sum up his opinion IMHO.

He is judging blue - he is taking conversations with a few (unless he wants to say he has spoken to 300,000 + people) and extrapolating from that to make unqualified statement long-term unemployed people as not wanting to work ignoring the fact that there are very very few jobs out there. Everyone can't work in Tesco...

He also stated he moved to Ireland because of the recession but also said he has been paying taxes here for 11 years -. Facts just arn't adding up and that makes me suspicious, especially when someone is on their soapbox.

Ive not been paying taxes here for 11 years. I came here 2 years ago. However Im doing the exact same job here as I was doing before, I just moved countries to take advantage of the recession. The excuses made by those not looking for work is the same in the UK as it is here.

I fail to see how so many posters cannot grasp Im talking about people NOT looking for work. Seriously, what is wrong with you all? How many more times must it be said before you understand, its basic English.

If you dont see Im talking about those not looking for a job, then dont bother replying because your points will be invalid to my statement.

However, based on the last post about people searching for a job for 5 years without success....well I have to say they cannot be looking all that hard, or are being so selective over what they do.

In the UK when you go in to sign every fortnight for jobseekers allowance, you have to provide a written report detailing exactly what is is that you did to try and find a job. You must list papers read, websites visited, interviews arranged, jobs applied for, notice boards read, shops enquired to about available positions that may be unadvertised. Im not saying that will solve the problem, but it will encourage people to actually go and look. I dont know how it works in Ireland, but from what I have been told you dont have to prove anything when you claim your money each week.

When you visit the job centre in the UK when you sign on, if they feel like you have not made enough of an effort to find a job, they will go through the computer system and actually apply there and then with you. They will call potential employers and arrange an interview time, they will put you on the phone to speak to them, right there and then. If you think you will get away with "Im not doing that kind of job" you will find your attempt to sign on for JSA will be stopped right there and then and your money will be stopped.

flutered

CRM Ireland wrote: »

3/4/5 years without a job? If you are physically and mentally able to work and have not found one after 5 years. You should be ashamed of yourself. Id take the dole money right off them. They would get nothing, not a bean. I bet you they would be working within a month.

5 years! OMG what a shower of cretins.

can you please post a list of the jobs that you know are advailable for the long term unembloyed
also please post a list of the jobs that are advailable to all the unemployed,
i am reading this and other posts about the unemployed not advailing of employment vacencys, most of the posts as regards the unemployed are not very nice, also please remember that there is a large amount of unemployed people who cannot recieve the dole as their other halfs earn more that 400 merkles each week, these people cannot find employment.

Sin City

Coles wrote: »

:rolleyes: I've a job for you. Go here, the Dublin Fruit Market, and buy apples (and other fruit/veg too) and sell them outside Tesco. Simples. You might even be able to create a business around it if you can sort out a shop or van, and if you put a bit of effort into it. Of course then you'll have to pay taxes to support the scroungers...

Good to know, but the 20 quid petrol money would defeat the purpose.
I know what you are saying but here is my retort, is someone who is hungry (say dinner time) pay 2 euro for some apples or a bag of chips from the chipper. Apples may be the healthier option but Id say the chips would fill you up more

Coles

cloud493 wrote: »

Which you need money for. An entrepreneur needs capital.

No. An entrepreneur needs a good idea and determination. There is also plenty of State support for people to set up businesses and if your idea is good it will attract investment. People just need to let go of the entitlement mentality and get control over their lives again. Make a go of it.

Sin City

Bannasidhe wrote: »

His comment about fat arses going to the PO would pretty much sum up his opinion IMHO.

He is judging blue - he is taking conversations with a few (unless he wants to say he has spoken to 300,000 + people) and extrapolating from that to make unqualified statement long-term unemployed people as not wanting to work ignoring the fact that there are very very few jobs out there. Everyone can't work in Tesco...

He also stated he moved to Ireland because of the recession but also said he has been paying taxes here for 11 years -. Facts just arn't adding up and that makes me suspicious, especially when someone is on their soapbox.

I think we have established that this guy doesnt do facts., He prefers to rely on the grapevine or they few people he has talked to.

Cavehill Red

CRM Ireland wrote: »

No, actually I dont.

I wasnt making any accusations. Im reporting the facts.

Where are you getting any of your facts from? I meet these people daily. I ask them daily. Do you?

Show me your "facts" then. Not your anecdotes, or your stories, but your actual, provable facts please.

Coles

Sin City wrote: »

Good to know, but the 20 quid petrol money would defeat the purpose.
I know what you are saying but here is my retort, is someone who is hungry (say dinner time) pay 2 euro for some apples or a bag of chips from the chipper. Apples may be the healthier option but Id say the chips would fill you up more

SO go to the Asian market and get a 10kg bag of basmati rice for €14. It would take a family more than a month to eat through that! And it's food that can be prepared in hundreds of ways. Delicious every time.

We can knock things back and forth like this all evening, and while I understand how difficult it is to be living on a shoestring budget, the main point I'm trying to make is that we have to get control back on our own lives again. Existing on a handout is not living.

flutered

crm ireland, since you are so good at finding work and making money, could you please contact the troikas rep ml. noonan

Sin City

Coles wrote: »

SO go to the Asian market and get a 10kg bag of basmati rice for €14. It would take a family more than a month to eat through that! And it's food that can be prepared in hundreds of ways. Delicious every time.

We can knock things back and forth like this all evening, and while I understand how difficult it is to be living on a shoestring budget, the main point I'm trying to make is that we have to get control back on our own lives again. Existing on a handout is not living.

I agree existing.on the.dole.is not living. no one wants to just exist. Unfortunatly thats the sad reality. some people can only exist at the moment

CRM Ireland

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Show me your "facts" then. Not your anecdotes, or your stories, but your actual, provable facts please.

Im posting my opinion based on the conversations Ive had with hundreds of Irish people about this very subject. How many of you have had about 10 seperate conversations about this every week day for 2 years?

So I will consider that my information is very accurate. Its directly from my own conversations and therefor I knew them to be facts. Obviously I cannot prove to any of you that Ive had these conversations, but I dont have to prove anything to you. Im telling you what they are and you can take it at face value, or you can doubt it and think Im making it up. I dont care if you dont believe me, thats your own problem. If you want to pretend that there is no problem then keep on pretending. It wont make the problem go away.

There are so many millions of ways in which someone can improve their living conditions. Even making an effort to try and break the cycle of unemployment by doing some voluntary work and getting yourself out there and enrolled actively in the community can allow yourself to uncover many opportunities you'd never have discovered whilst sat feeding your face with chips in front of Jeremy Kyle trying to make yourself feel better by not being quite as bad as the 'tards on the show.

5 years, 5 years....Im trying to imagine what that must be like. Thats 1825 days without work, sitting in the house with no real purpose in life....that would break me. To me, living like that would be like a prison sentence. I actually think I would be so utterly depressed and feeling sorry for myself, that if I was given an interview somehow, Id either not have the will to interest the employer, or Im be so desperate as to scare the employer off.

Are there any voluntary schemes in Ireland that people can participate in that doesnt affect their ability to claim welfare? The pattern of dependency must be broken somehow, just in the same way that we expect drug users to break their patterns of behavior.