Too many marathons very bad for you!

TRR

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Maybe the thread should have been titled too many 5ks/10ks very bad for you.

Only if you can't run either under 40 minutes

rom

I agree too many marathon's are bad for you. Sure we all knew that.

dtipp

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2012/1204/1224327433310.html

RandyMann

I wonder can this relate to sprinters also? I mean high intensive/100% effort sessions, are they as damaging even if they are of short duration?

TFBubendorfer

RandyMann wrote: »

I wonder can this relate to sprinters also? I mean high intensive/100% effort sessions, are they as damaging even if they are of short duration?

The average Joe won't do much sprint training, therefore it won't make the same headlines.

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Oh, you meant if it's actually damaging? Needs some scientific research!

RandyMann

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

The average Joe won't do much sprint training, therefore it won't make the same headlines.

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Oh, you meant if it's actually damaging? Needs some scientific research!

Felt damaging tonight anyways...:)

mithril

It's not only participation in "extreme" endurance activities though that is targeted in the report.
The level of exercise that is suggested as optimal is very low.
40 minutes, 3 or 4 times a week, at about 10 KM/H.
Once you cross this threshold, the benefits of exercise on the cardiac function start to reverse and running at a high volume or intensity produces a health outcome similar to that of a sedentary individual.
So jogging good, running bad is what the report seems to be indicating.

theboyblunder

http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/29/15/1800.full

This one says we're grand

SnappyDresser

theboyblunder wrote: »

http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/29/15/1800.full

This one says we're grand

I think you are saying the above tongue in cheek.
I read it that if one was say someone who started to run marathons to improve general health perhaps after years of poor lifestyle that running marathons may make the situation worse.
The years of abuse will not get better due to running.
Many people over 50 who are running should also be on statins.

TFBubendorfer

i008787 wrote: »

Many people over 50 who are running should also be on statins.

:eek: I hope you're kidding.

SnappyDresser

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

:eek: I hope you're kidding.

Unfortunately not. Running has marginal impact on elevated cholesterol levels. Many runners assume that they never need to get it checked but find out later in life they have had high cholesterol all during their running lives :P
Personally have been on them for over 15years along with fish oil. Running only helps very modestly unfortunately. Its no panacea.

Krusty_Clown

i008787 wrote: »

Many people over 50 who are running should also be on statins.

Your post is worded in a manner that would seem to make a connection between high cholestrol and running, where I assume you did not mean to. What you probably meant to say was:

Many people over 50 should also be on statins. Some of them may be runners.

TFBubendorfer

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Your post is worded in a manner that would seem to make a connection between high cholestrol and running

Yes, that's exactly how I read it.
Krusty's alternative explanation makes a lot more sense to me.

SnappyDresser

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

Yes, that's exactly how I read it.
Krusty's alternative explanation makes a lot more sense to me.

Yes of course your right. My wording was a little unclear.

PaulieC

it's all bad news...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6U728AZnV0

rom

cambo_gueno wrote: »

it's all bad news...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6U728AZnV0

This is the guy who wrote the original paper from the OP.

TRR

cambo_gueno wrote: »

it's all bad news...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6U728AZnV0

Jesus I want to punch this guy, hard in the face. His style wrecks my head

PaulieC

TRR wrote: »

Jesus I want to punch this guy, hard in the face. His style wrecks my head

Yes, I took an immediate dislike to him. So smug.

rom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkGMY63FF3Q

SnappyDresser

cambo_gueno wrote: »

Yes, I took an immediate dislike to him. So smug.

Dont shoot the messenger. He knows what he is talking about. Its a BIG eye opener. Simply put 60mins 2/3 times a week. Marathons equal scarring. I think we should watch the video a few times as the message seems clear to me:)

PaulieC

i008787 wrote: »

Dont shoot the messenger. He knows what he is talking about. Its a BIG eye opener. Simply put 60mins 2/3 times a week. Marathons equal scarring. I think we should watch the video a few times as the message seems clear to me:)

Well he's not really the messenger, he's talking about his own research. In any case, I don't believe or disbelieve him. There is far too much conflicting information out there that I'd prefer to go my own way. I know one for definite though, whether I run fast, sow or not at all I will die at some stage

dna_leri

i008787 wrote: »

Unfortunately not. Running has marginal impact on elevated cholesterol levels. Many runners assume that they never need to get it checked but find out later in life they have had high cholesterol all during their running lives :P
Personally have been on them for over 15years along with fish oil. Running only helps very modestly unfortunately. Its no panacea.

Neither fish oil nor statins are a panacea either.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/panacea

and looking at some of the side effects of statins, I think I'd prefer to run a marathon.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/statin-side-effects/MY00205

SnappyDresser

All medicines carry a risk but if one has high cholesterol often it needs a statin regardless of whether one has good diet and exercises. Funny thing is the newest statin the so called gorilla statin rosuvastatin works on even 1mg dose [30% ldl reduction]. A truly amazing statin.

dna_leri

i008787 wrote: »

All medicines carry a risk but if one has high cholesterol often it needs a statin regardless of whether one has good diet and exercises. Funny thing is the newest statin the so called gorilla statin rosuvastatin works on even 1mg dose [30% ldl reduction]. A truly amazing statin.

ok, I thought you were encouraging the use of statins in runners and O-50's, if not then the original statement becomes:

Many people over 50 may be on statins. Some of them may be runners.

dev123

Has ray lanigan seen this thread? Someone better give him a call!!!

ciaranmac

rom wrote: »

This is the guy who wrote the original paper from the OP.

And his research didn't extend as far as the fact that Pheidippides didn't collapse dead at the emperor's throne, because Athens was a republic. I stopped watching at that point...

(There are a few versions of that story, one has him running 40km and dying, another has him running 250km in a day and a half and not dying.)

TRR

ciaranmac wrote: »

And his research didn't extend as far as the fact that Pheidippides didn't collapse dead at the emperor's throne, because Athens was a republic. I stopped watching at that point...

(There are a few versions of that story, one has him running 40km and dying, another has him running 250km in a day and a half and not dying.)

Yes watched a documentary on the BBC before and they said that Pheidippides may not have collapsed dead at the end of that run as there is mention of him in subsequent writings etc.

ultraman1

ciaranmac wrote: »

(There are a few versions of that story, one has him running 40km and dying, another has him running 250km in a day and a half and not dying.)

accordin to garminicus it was 235k,but polarisisemus disputes this and reckons it was more like 39km,and as it was a commercial war and not permitted by the spartan athlethics assoc , it dosent count

Pherekydes

ciaranmac wrote: »

(There are a few versions of that story, one has him running 40km and dying, another has him running 250km in a day and a half and not dying.)

He definitely died.

pgmcpq

Pherekydes wrote: »

He definitely died.

Don't think so. He's been spotted doing a tempo session in Vagas recently where he works as a bike messenger.

dna_leri

Good article here: http://impruvism.com/athletes-heart-1/

Athlete’s Heart: Why Bigger is Not Always Better, or Worse
What doesn’t kill you does not always make you stronger.
But it doesn’t necessarily make you weaker, either.
At least when it comes to exercise and your heart.
Most data indicates that in the short-term, exercise doesn’t cause heart damage, even if it makes your heart a little tired.
However, this doesn’t tell us how it affects your heart in the long-term.
In this article, we’ll look at one of the last stages of the cardiotoxicity cycle — how exercise changes your heart over time, and how these changes affect your health.