Premier League Draft Match 6: Bounty Hunter v Blatter

Blatter

This match will decide a place in the QFs and will last for 48 hours, in which time the participants will need to outline their team, basic strategy, and strategy against their opponent.

Also, the voting will take place during this 48 hour period. There will be a poll but only votes with answers developed in a post will be taken into consideration. This development doesn't have to be paragraphs long, even a single sentence is fine. But don't vote until the competitors have had a chance to outline their teams.

Blatter

My Team:




In goal I have a quality keeper who is a very good shot stopper and has excellent distribution. He will help start many attacks more swiftly and accurately than most other keepers.

My two central defenders are not household names but Hangeland and Distin are very reliable and have been for years. I think my two fullbacks, Assou-Ekotto and Richards, are two of the better ones in the league. They are relatively reliable defensively and are very good going forward. They will provide a great source of width.

Makélélé is without doubt one of the best DMs of all time and will be crucial to my team. He will largely nullify any AM he will come up against in the draft and will also provide great cover to my fullbacks who will get forward more as a result. He also has a magnificent first touch and control, which is vital when it comes to receiving the ball in tight spaces and starting attacks. Beside him will be Rosický, who is a tidy player and will get the ball forward to the others as well as putting a shift in defensively.

Ahead of the CMs are Oscar, Cazorla and Nasri who will all interchange which will cause a lot of confusion to any defence. They will link up with Assou-Ekotto and Richards and provide great service to Adebayor.

Adebayor himself will be much more than just a goalscorer in this team. He will make plenty of diagonal runs which will drag CBs out of position which will in turn create space for Oscar, Cazorla and Nasri to exploit.

Best of luck to Bounty Hunter, I will post more when he outlines his strategy.

Bounty Hunter

Blatter

Firstly good luck and thanks to Blatter for running this draft. I prepared an answer when the draw was made not knowing when I'd have time to do one up and now as I see this posted up I have a free hour in work so sorry about the length of this one, but its masking my bordem in work.

Team Bounty Hunter

My Team

Strong shot stopper in goals in the form of Habsi who has a strong CB pairing in front of him. Dont think anyone will argue with the quality of Paul McGrath at CB and although some might play down Luiz's ability he is good enough to start as ahead of 2 of Cahill, Terry & Ivanovic in CB for Chelsea almost everyweek. His team mate who has really impressed me anytime I've seen him Azilicueta to his right, who can get forward and defend equally well. While on the other side I have a set piece specialist who will also be able to swing a good ball into the box for my CFs who can also hold his own defensively.

Then in CM I have 2 players who will give me a lot of defensive stability and hopefully possession. Firstly the premier league champions new CM recruit who at only the age of 21 will bring some real youthful energy to the side. Alongside him then is the Powerhouse known as Tiote, a man i'd argue would get his game for Man Utd, Chelsea or Arsenal if he played for them atm. These two will provide the base (and as said hopefully the possesion) to start attacks and there are few better to get things moving on that front than Paul Scholes in AM and despite his advancing years and especially with 2 defensive minded midfielders ready to do the dogs body work for him.

In attack then I have one of the better (if i do say so myself) or atleast most potent attacking trio's in the draft with Costa Rican captain and the man who has settled into life at Fulham where he is now showing some very good form Bryan Ruiz. He really couldnt be any more suited to the WF position outlined in my side and could interchange with his opposite WF and cause havoc for Blatter's defense. That second WF is a little known player called Luis Suarez. Liverpools best player, a truely world class star, a goal getter and creater and a nightmare for opposing defenders as well as being one of the most on form players in the Prem. Then completing the trio is a man who would be most easily described as simply a goalscorer. 6 goals in 9 (Prem only) appearances this season shows just how dangerous he can be in front of goal and with Suarez, Ruiz and Scholes creating chances you can be sure he real be a real threat for Blatter's defense.

.....................Vs.....................

Player by Player

Dzeko > Adebayor - Struggling for game time thus far at Spurs but I would admit he's still a quality player and was great value when picked but I'd give Dzeko the nod here and would think most would prefer have him in their side than Blatter's man.

Suarez > Oscar - Suarez is one of the best and most on form players in the premiership , Oscar is good but still developing into his potential and would be far more suited to an AMC position.

Ruiz > Nasri- Fully settled in the Prem Ruiz has hit form at Fulham and imo would be far more suited to playing in a front 3 than Nasri especially in one of the WF positions He would also bring more of a goal threat.

Scholes < Cazorla - Scholes is a genius but given his advanced years the nod would go to Cazorla here unfortunately, a great player but hopefully one who might struggle against my defensive minded CMs

Tiote < Makelele - Tiote is great, a real ball winner in CM but tbh few can compare with Makelele who essentially recreated the DM role in modern english football so although Tiote will do a great job in my side I again have to aknowledge the quality in Blatter's pick.

Rodwell > Rosicky - This one could be argued but given Rosicky's fitness or lack there of for a number of seasons now his current ability is very questionable while Rodwell is A quality young player who will alongside Tiote give my midfield a great defensive base to start attacks from.

Azilicueta > Richards - According to his teammate and countryman Juan Mata, "He is a strong running right-back who has pace as well, so I think he is already a complete player".He has worked his way into the Chelsea side now following his 7 or 8mil move from Marseille and although I rate Micah Richards highly (not quite equally if im fully honest) him being out injured for the next 4 months def gives my boy the edge in a tight RB contest

Luiz = Hangeland - Some people have issues with Luiz but when he is good he is very good and imo far superior to Hangeland whom I do rate. However he has been prone to the odd error in his career and errors can be costly so the more reliable Hangaland would do enough for many to be atleast considerd an equally good player. If the CBs were compared to the other CBs on the teamsheets it could be argued it would be two wins for team BH

McGrath > Distin - No arguement here I hope, Distin is still good even in his advancing years but McGrath was Godlike at times and the Prems former PFA player of the year will be my leader in defense while Distin may struggle with players like Dzeko & Suarez

R.Taylor < A.Ekotto - Both good attacking fullbacks which Taylor showed as he kept Santon out of the side after converting to left back last season but if im honest I would have picked Ekotto if he was still available so he gets the win.

Al Habsi < Vorm - I rate Al Habsi highly but think most would give Vorm the edge here even though most perhaps would also think there isnt a big gap in ability.

BH > Blatter 6/4 with 1 = (though I am biased of course)

Attack vs Defense:

Me in attack: Assou Ekotto & Richards are good full backs but with blatter having a fairly narrow side they will be expected to get forward a lot and could be left exposed to attacks from Suarez & Ruiz. Those being given space will make things more difficult for Hangeland & Distin and with a real Goalscorer like Dzeko they could struggle to keep them out and I would expect goals. Makelele could drop deeper to help out but the more he does the more space Paul Scholes would be afforded to pull the strings centrally.

Blatter in attack: Nasri & Oscar are quality attacking players but are more suited to an AMC birth and if they drift centrally they would bring Tiote & Rodwell into play who along with my FBs would give them a very hard time. They could also congest the midfield and get in Cazorla's way which wouldnt help the little spaniard who would already have to deal with the Tiote/Rodwell combo. a lack of width could also allow my FBs more offense but in dealing with defense i'll move onto Blatters CF whom again later in the picks I thought was a good selection but he could struggle against McGrath especially when you then also throw Luiz into the mix.

Midfield: The mids are set out pretty similarily, both consisting of 3 men with one (Cazorla/Scholes) more responsible on the attacking side of the game. Blatter has however decided to go for a more traditional (not sure if thats the right term) CM in Rosicky partnering his DM. This makes a lot of sense but with the key to your team being your AM trio so does having a more defensive minded CM for me and honestly I think the selection of Rosicky who is never fit may prove costly because although I rate him I have no idea what his current ability is atm after so many injuries and absences from Prem football.

Overall: I think the loser of this match could have gotten a few matches under their belt with a different draw but im hoping ill progress because two similar teams will meet here but yours imo will be a bit narrower which will potentially a) allow Suarez & Ruiz space as your FB are forced forward to try and provide offensive width b) give my FBs more license to roam forward with your threat coming more through the centre than the wings, or c) Play into the setup of my midfield with the added defensive presence of Tiote/Rodwell helping against a congested AMC area. These factors will allow Paul McGrath & Luis Suarez to lead my boys to victory.

Blatter

Don't have much time now, just correcting one thing you said BH, will write more a bit later.

Azilicueta > Richards - According to his teammate and countryman Juan Mata, "He is a strong running right-back who has pace as well, so I think he is already a complete player".He has worked his way into the Chelsea side now following his 7 or 8mil move from Marseille and although I rate Micah Richards highly (not quite equally if im fully honest) him being out injured for the next 4 months def gives my boy the edge in a tight RB contest

This isn't the case, he should be back very soon. A few media outlets at the start were reporting 4 months but Mancini dismissed that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20183846

Mancini said: "I read three months but I don't know why. One month, maximum.
"It is not bad. He put only two stitches in his knee. For this reason, maybe four weeks."

Turtyturd

Blatter for me, although just about.

Two things stand out for me about Bounty Hunter's team. The first is Luiz who always looks prone to a lapse in concentration over 90 minutes. And secondly, any midfield with Tiote and Scholes in it leaves the team at risk of finishing with 9 men, and even if both stay on the pitch Scholes will be a passenger for the final 30 minutes.

eagle eye

Blatter

Rosicky, Assout-Ekotto and Richards have all been out injured a lot over the last 12 months. For this reason I have to go for Bounty Hunter because he will be playing against two very slow centre backs for a lot of this game and he will score a lot in that time. The link(Rosicky) between Blatter's front four and midfield will also miss most of the game

Blatter

Just a few things here while I have the time.

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Dzeko > Adebayor - Struggling for game time thus far at Spurs but I would admit he's still a quality player and was great value when picked but I'd give Dzeko the nod here and would think most would prefer have him in their side than Blatter's man.

I think this is a bit closer than you say. Adebayor had just come back from injury, that's mainly the reason Defoe was played ahead of him. Indeed both of them were fit for the City game, and only Adebayor started, and played really well in that game. Dzeko for me still struggles when he starts games. He's brilliant at coming off the bench and nabbing a goal but has been a disappointing starter for the majority of his time at City IMO.

Suarez > Oscar - Suarez is one of the best and most on form players in the premiership , Oscar is good but still developing into his potential and would be far more suited to an AMC position.

Ok, Suarez is class but I think it's worth noting that he's been performing so well this season at Liverpool in a central role, not inside left. I have no doubt he can play that position effectively, but as influential as he is centrally? I really don't know.

Ruiz > Nasri- Fully settled in the Prem Ruiz has hit form at Fulham and imo would be far more suited to playing in a front 3 than Nasri especially in one of the WF positions He would also bring more of a goal threat.

Not really sure about this. Nasri is positioned RW on my team but he'll effectively drift around, and he's shown plenty of times in the past that e can be effective at this and come up with crucial goals. I agree that Ruiz is a quality player.

Scholes < Cazorla - Scholes is a genius but given his advanced years the nod would go to Cazorla here unfortunately, a great player but hopefully one who might struggle against my defensive minded CMs

As already mentioned, there is serious question marks over Scholes' ability to last the 90 mins and stay on the pitch. I take your point he'll have less defensive work to do with Rodwell and Tiote behind him, but I'm still not sure if he has the legs to play the AM role effectively. It's a position he hasn't played in years.

Tiote < Makelele - Tiote is great, a real ball winner in CM but tbh few can compare with Makelele who essentially recreated the DM role in modern english football so although Tiote will do a great job in my side I again have to aknowledge the quality in Blatter's pick.

Tiote is good but I've always thought he was a bit overrated if I'm honest. I'm on record saying that a few times when he was suggested in the United thread. I think he lacks any sort of finesse with his play, although I do acknowledge he adds good steel to the midfield.

Rodwell > Rosicky - This one could be argued but given Rosicky's fitness or lack there of for a number of seasons now his current ability is very questionable while Rodwell is A quality young player who will alongside Tiote give my midfield a great defensive base to start attacks from.

I think this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Rosicky has played a lot more games than Rodwell over the past 8 months or so. Rodwell has been absolutely plagued with injury and also hasn't impressed at City yet. Rosicky has had his fair share of injuries but he's shown time and time again that he comes back to an acceptable level. In fact he was one of Arsenal's better players after Xmas last season IMO.

Azilicueta > Richards - According to his teammate and countryman Juan Mata, "He is a strong running right-back who has pace as well, so I think he is already a complete player".He has worked his way into the Chelsea side now following his 7 or 8mil move from Marseille and although I rate Micah Richards highly (not quite equally if im fully honest) him being out injured for the next 4 months def gives my boy the edge in a tight RB contest

As mentioned already, Richards is actually back soon. Azilicueta is only a newcomer that hasn't played an awful lot yet so it's hard for me to judge his ability properly. From what I've seen I'd agree that he's solid defensively but he hasn't impressed be at all going forward if I'm honest.

Luiz = Hangeland - Some people have issues with Luiz but when he is good he is very good and imo far superior to Hangeland whom I do rate. However he has been prone to the odd error in his career and errors can be costly so the more reliable Hangaland would do enough for many to be atleast considerd an equally good player. If the CBs were compared to the other CBs on the teamsheets it could be argued it would be two wins for team BH

I agree that Luiz has excellent ability but as already said, he definitely has a mistake or two in him every game. He's a player that brings quality to your side at the back but at the same time is a loose cannon. Nothing else to be said really!

McGrath > Distin - No arguement here I hope, Distin is still good even in his advancing years but McGrath was Godlike at times and the Prems former PFA player of the year will be my leader in defense while Distin may struggle with players like Dzeko & Suarez

Agree with most of this although I'd argue that Dzeko is the type of striker that Distin wouldn't struggle with. Dzeko lacks pace and his physical style would suit Distin who is very strong IMO. McGrath obv adds undoubted quality to your side.

R.Taylor < A.Ekotto - Both good attacking fullbacks which Taylor showed as he kept Santon out of the side after converting to left back last season but if im honest I would have picked Ekotto if he was still available so he gets the win.

Agree

Al Habsi < Vorm - I rate Al Habsi highly but think most would give Vorm the edge here even though most perhaps would also think there isnt a big gap in ability.

Agree

Blatter

eagle eye wrote: »

Rosicky, Assout-Ekotto and Richards have all been out injured a lot over the last 12 months. For this reason I have to go for Bounty Hunter because he will be playing against two very slow centre backs for a lot of this game and he will score a lot in that time. The link(Rosicky) between Blatter's front four and midfield will also miss most of the game

IMO you're putting far too much emphasis on players that were injured, especially ones that haven't suffered serious injuries that would raise reasonable question marks over their current ability.

If Assou-Ekotto and Richards in particular were fit, they'd walk into most PL sides this weekend. You talk as if they don't exist on my team because they've been out injured a bit. That's a bit silly IMO. By all means let it affect your judgement to some degree, but I think you're going overboard on it.

Also, I don't understand how you'd think Rosicky would be ineffective in his position on my team. He's beside Makelele, who will cover a huge amount of ground defensively which will allow Rosicky more freedom to link up and create with the others.

Liam O

Blatter. It's close but Blatter has more players who will play well on the front foot and be able to push on if things aren't going their way imo.

eagle eye

Blatter

Blatter wrote: »

IMO you're putting far too much emphasis on players that were injured, especially ones that haven't suffered serious injuries that would raise reasonable question marks over their current ability.

If Assou-Ekotto and Richards in particular were fit, they'd walk into most PL sides this weekend. You talk as if they don't exist on my team because they've been out injured a bit. That's a bit silly IMO. By all means let it affect your judgement to some degree, but I think you're going overboard on it.

Also, I don't understand how you'd think Rosicky would be ineffective in his position on my team. He's beside Makelele, who will cover a huge amount of ground defensively which will allow Rosicky more freedom to link up and create with the others.

Rosicky has 27 starts in two and a half seasons, put that down to one game and he lasts approximately 25-30 minutes in this game. The fact that he has not played a game this season means he might not even last that long.

Richards has 42 starts over the last two and a half seasons with only 3 this season and for me that means he doesn't make half time in this game.

BAE has not played since the 1st of September which for me means his currently ability is very poor.

I don't think I am going overboard at all, I think I am being fair. Picking players who have a serious injury history has to count against them. Picking players who have hardly played at all this season has to count against them.

bucketybuck

Far too many question marks over Bounty Hunters side for me. Will Suarez continue his good form pushed out to the left? Will Rodwell have any impact whatsoever? Which Paul Scholes will turn up, the legend or the 39 year old who can't hack the pace any more? Will Dzeko last the game? Will Luiz drop a clanger?

Blatters side is much more balanced. Defensively very sound, and while you might question whether Oscar, Cazorla and Nasri could step on each others toes, at the same time you have to admit they could potentially be fantastic together in a Barca style no fixed position line up.

Blatter for me.

Bounty Hunter

Blatter

I'm not going to quote everything you say here and respond as that would get tiresome for all but one rebuttle of some things makes sense.

Blatter wrote: »

I think this is a bit closer than you say. Adebayor had just come back from injury.... Dzeko for me still struggles when he starts games. He's brilliant at coming off the bench and nabbing a goal but has been a disappointing starter for the majority of his time at City IMO.

yeah I know I selectively used the ... there but I couldnt help think this bit plays into the injury/current ability arguement of eagle eyes as atm even Adebayor's current ability is below what it could be due to recent injury.

On the Dzeko point though, pointing out his puper sub status if anything only serves to highlight his impressive stats. 6 goals in 9 prem games before today is impressive enough before you consider the fact that he didnt start the majority of those games and although I have highlighted that side of his game he isnt just a goalscorer, today he started for City who benched Aguero and has already got an assist.

Not really sure about this. Nasri is positioned RW on my team but he'll effectively drift around...

Well thats kinda the thing, Oscar wont be a fixed LW either and id imagine both would drift around and your AMC area would end up quite congested and play into the fact that I have both Rodwell and Tiote in there.

Rosicky has had his fair share of injuries but he's shown time and time again that he comes back to an acceptable level. In fact he was one of Arsenal's better players after Xmas last season IMO...

Rosicky is 32 now and as EE pointed out he has not really played much in not just one but in a number of seasons. I like him as a player but I couldnt bring myself to pick him as I think his injuries are an all to mighty cloud hanging over him, especially when people try to consider his current ability.

As mentioned already, Richards is actually back soon. Azilicueta is only a newcomer that hasn't played an awful lot yet so it's hard for me to judge his ability properly. From what I've seen I'd agree that he's solid defensively but he hasn't impressed be at all going forward if I'm honest.

Although this is the Prem draft id assume his form that lead to him getting a move to Chelsea would be worth considering when deciding his current ability and anytime I've seen him play he seems all round solid. Not Roberto Carlos going forward or anything but he will not be a weakness in anyway imo

I agree that Luiz has excellent ability but as already said, he definitely has a mistake or two in him every game. He's a player that brings quality to your side at the back but at the same time is a loose cannon. Nothing else to be said really!

I'd honestly take Luiz over either of your CBs (though I would say that), he gets a lot more stick than he deserves imo (he is constantly picked ahead of Cahill for example) and with Paul McGrath by his side it would be a very strong CB pairing. McGrath/Luiz should def be considered a stronger pairing than Distin/Hangaland imo

Blatter wrote: »

IMO you're putting far too much emphasis on players that were injured, especially ones that haven't suffered serious injuries that would raise reasonable question marks over their current ability.

If Assou-Ekotto and Richards in particular were fit, they'd walk into most PL sides this weekend. You talk as if they don't exist on my team because they've been out injured a bit. That's a bit silly IMO. By all means let it affect your judgement to some degree, but I think you're going overboard on it.

Also, I don't understand how you'd think Rosicky would be ineffective in his position on my team. He's beside Makelele, who will cover a huge amount of ground defensively which will allow Rosicky more freedom to link up and create with the others.

I guess EE elaborated on this in his response and tbh I dont think id even go as far as equating injuries etc into players only lasting half the game or whatever but I guess the fact that it isnt just one or 2 players does highlight this in your side

Ares

Blatter

I'll give this one to BH. Blatter's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. Too many attack minded players and none of them noted workers. Cazorla, Oscar and Nasri will all drift infield while not protecting the midfield two and the full backs.

Blatter would be left defending with players and that's too little against players of the quality of Suarez, Dzeko and Ruiz.

BH wins this one I feel. I particularly think the Azpilicueta pick was a great one.

Blatter

eagle eye wrote: »

Rosicky has 27 starts in two and a half seasons, put that down to one game and he lasts approximately 25-30 minutes in this game. The fact that he has not played a game this season means he might not even last that long.

Richards has 42 starts over the last two and a half seasons with only 3 this season and for me that means he doesn't make half time in this game.

BAE has not played since the 1st of September which for me means his currently ability is very poor.

I don't think I am going overboard at all, I think I am being fair. Picking players who have a serious injury history has to count against them. Picking players who have hardly played at all this season has to count against them.

I think that's pretty ridiculous. He's already completed 90 mins more than once this season so I don't know why you'd judge him as not being able to on account of the last two and a half years.

Ares wrote: »

I'll give this one to BH. Blatter's greatest strength is also his greatest weakness. Too many attack minded players and none of them noted workers. Cazorla, Oscar and Nasri will all drift infield while not protecting the midfield two and the full backs.

Blatter would be left defending with players and that's too little against players of the quality of Suarez, Dzeko and Ruiz.

BH wins this one I feel. I particularly think the Azpilicueta pick was a great one.

And you think Suarez and Ruiz will give more protection to BH's fullbacks? They like to drift in too, they ain't gonna stay out wide for the 90 mins, and if they did, they'd be nowhere near their best. Drifting in centrally is a huge part of their game.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

I'll give it to blatter as I like his front four. Plus makelele.

Bounty Hunter

Blatter

not been too many votes really, be they for or against me fein, few hours left though...

Chucky the tree

Blatter just about nicks it for me. Very tough to call though. Bounty Hunter loses for me in that his best player(suaez) is playing out of position as his midfield is a bit to weak with Scholes in their.

IncognitoMan

Blatter for me. I feel his front 4 will be able to do more damage

PerrinV2

I been watching the draft with interest,kinda wished I'd taken part.
Anyway I really like the look of Blatter midfield(apart from Rosicky who I don't think has played that well for 2 or 3 seasons now so he's a definate weak link in that midfield for me).
With Makelele he's drafted the best midfielders to have played in the premiership,the perfect player in this formation to allow oscar,carzola and nasri freedom of the park.
And for me the idea of this trio linking up is a mouth watering prospect which I think will be too much for Bounty defence to handle.
Defence and keeper I think are solid with no1 really outstanding standing out.
And Bounty's, I dunno I Al Habsi and especially Luiz had dangermouse written all over it for me,Al Habsi while a good shot stopper I think he's prone to the odd mistake(I think he let in an easy goal 2 weekends ago) and Luiz personally I just think he's awful,he postioning seems terrible,dwells to long on the ball bit of headless chicken for me.
Suarez might cause problems but I think blatters defence will be able to handle ruiz and dzeko and shure ya can always tell makelele to keep and eye an suarez,that shud keep him quiet.
Agains the clock here so can't talk on half the players.
Blatter ftw

eagle eye

Blatter

The current ability part of it doesn't seem to matter and those who took it seriously are paying the price I think. For me that ruins the whole thing as those who took it seriously have paid a big price while those who just took well known players regardless of injury are getting the votes.

Blatter

Commiserations BH.

eagle eye wrote: »

The current ability part of it doesn't seem to matter and those who took it seriously are paying the price I think. For me that ruins the whole thing as those who took it seriously have paid a big price while those who just took well known players regardless of injury are getting the votes.

I think you're definition of ''current ability'' is just far too narrow tbh.

Would you honestly pick somebody like Ba over say Aguero just because he was having a better season than him at the time?

As I said at the very start, it's up to the individual as to how exactly they want to define current ability. I couldn't have made it any clearer.

Bounty Hunter

Blatter

congrats blatter, no shame in losing to your men, one of the better line-ups in the draft imo and although I thought i'd get a few more votes I can understand your teams appeal. Cheers for organising this this time.

Donnielighto

eagle eye wrote: »

Rosicky has 27 starts in two and a half seasons, put that down to one game and he lasts approximately 25-30 minutes in this game. The fact that he has not played a game this season means he might not even last that long.

Richards has 42 starts over the last two and a half seasons with only 3 this season and for me that means he doesn't make half time in this game.

BAE has not played since the 1st of September which for me means his currently ability is very poor.

I don't think I am going overboard at all, I think I am being fair. Picking players who have a serious injury history has to count against them. Picking players who have hardly played at all this season has to count against them.

thats a ridiculous way of thinking about it. going by your method there would be no players on the pitch in the 88th minute. The draft assumes players are fit and playing at their current ability or most recent if they are drafted, discounting form differences.

death1234567

Blatter for me, david luiz = Lose.