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02-12-2012 9:46pm#1
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"engineer" on its own isn't a protected term in Ireland (/muttermutterOughttobefeckssakemuttermutter) - the protected term is "Chartered Engineer" (in the UK or elsewhere, the terms are sometimes different: here's the list of what terms and where in the EU they're protected). So basicly, you can use the term if you want, nobody's going to stop you around here.Stainless_Steel wrote: »Off topic: is the term engineer correct here?
However, in quite a lot of places, "Engineer" is a protected term, so you'd want to keep that in mind. Some folks get a bit snarky about people without engineering degrees calling themselves engineers (something about spending decades in training and qualification and practice only to find that the guy fixing the coffee machine is using the same job title). Thing is, in Ireland at least, almost nobody in the software industry seems to have even heard of the Chartered Engineer qualification, never mind recognising it or seeking it out (when was the last time you saw a job ad that said you had to have a CEng in software engineering? And when was the last time you saw one that said you had to have a BA level degree?). Which really is a bit of a failing on the part of Engineers Ireland, to be brutal about it (the lack of recognition more than the lack of requiring it as mandatory, which wouldn't be appropriate (yet)).
All that aside, there's an entirely seperate debate about what exactly "software engineering" itself actually is. And I think that one could run to a few more pages of hair-splitting, which is what happened last time (and the time before that, and the time before that, and ... oh, just hit search
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So nicely done, one question, two cans of worms opened 0 -
"engineer" on its own isn't a protected term in Ireland (/muttermutterOughttobefeckssakemuttermutter) - the protected term is "Chartered Engineer" (in the UK or elsewhere, the terms are sometimes different: here's the list of what terms and where in the EU they're protected). So basicly, you can use the term if you want, nobody's going to stop you around here.
However, in quite a lot of places, "Engineer" is a protected term, so you'd want to keep that in mind. Some folks get a bit snarky about people without engineering degrees calling themselves engineers (something about spending decades in training and qualification and practice only to find that the guy fixing the coffee machine is using the same job title). Thing is, in Ireland at least, almost nobody in the software industry seems to have even heard of the Chartered Engineer qualification, never mind recognising it or seeking it out (when was the last time you saw a job ad that said you had to have a CEng in software engineering? And when was the last time you saw one that said you had to have a BA level degree?). Which really is a bit of a failing on the part of Engineers Ireland, to be brutal about it (the lack of recognition more than the lack of requiring it as mandatory, which wouldn't be appropriate (yet)).
All that aside, there's an entirely seperate debate about what exactly "software engineering" itself actually is. And I think that one could run to a few more pages of hair-splitting, which is what happened last time (and the time before that, and the time before that, and ... oh, just hit search).
So nicely done, one question, two cans of worms opened
LOL sorry for taking the thread OT and opening the can!
I'm an engineer myself, a washing machine engineer. Just kidding - mechanical engineer.
I think you're right about it being the fault of Engineers Ireland.
BUT I'm not trying to be on my high horse - I don't mind software developers calling themselves engineers. I do development professionaly (hobby turned serious) and appreciate the thought process and intellect required to develop software.0 -
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