Student dies from fatal stabbing

Duggy747

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Irish Times wrote:

Two men were stabbed, one of them fatally, in the early hours of Saturday morning after they had, gardaí believe, become involved in an earlier fight with two youths aged 16 and 19.

The dead man, aged 22, was from Germany and had been studying media studies. He was stabbed in the abdomen and suffered a severed artery in the attack outside the apartment where he was living in the Rialto area of Dublin’s south inner city.

They were on the balcony with a number of other people when two local teenagers walked past on the street below.

Detectives believe words were exchanged between the teenagers and the men on the balcony.

At that point at least two men from the party in the apartment made their way downstairs and became involved in an altercation on the street with the teenagers.

A fight broke out, the 2 scummers left the scene and came back later. This time, presumably, packing blades on them which resulted in a young guy dead.

What a waste.




MOD NOTE: This thread has been revived as the people involved have been sentenced. The thread was merged with a newer one and those new posts start at #109.

General Relativity

You accidently the whole thread.

Damn - Ninja edit.

Richard Hillman

2 month suspended sentenced as they came from a troubled back round and were drunk. Plus we need more "facilitiieeeees" in knackeragua

Aciiiiiiiiiiid

Duggy747 wrote: »

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A fight broke out, the 2 scummers left the scene and came back later. This time, presumably, packing blades on them which resulted in a young guy dead.

What a waste.

Yes that's what happened, what's to discuss?

Fr_Dougal

RIP

NegativeCreep

Aciiiiiiiiiiid wrote: »

Yes that's what happened, what's to discuss?

Nothing if you dont want to. Thats the beauty of boards. You dont actually have to post.

Tony Soprano.

Aciiiiiiiiiiid wrote: »

Yes that's what happened, what's to discuss?

The murder? What are you trying to say, exactly?

Duggy747

Aciiiiiiiiiiid wrote: »

I have no interest in this thread but I'll post in it, anyways...............

Indeed.

daRobot

Very sad loss of life. RIP

Aciiiiiiiiiiid

Tony Soprano. wrote: »

The murder? What are you trying to say, exactly?

nobody is going to argue that this wasn't a horrible tragedy and the murderer an absolutely disgusting human being. Don't see the point of this thread.also there will inevitably be a court case and discussing the events could affect the case outcome. Worst case scenario the case is thrown out.

fonecrusher1

The perpatrators are two walking tumours. These things are not human. A violent sub species of filth.

Namlub

Aciiiiiiiiiiid wrote: »

nobody is going to argue that this wasn't a horrible tragedy and the murderer an absolutely disgusting human being. Don't see the point of this thread.also there will inevitably be a court case and discussing the events could affect the case outcome. Worst case scenario the case is thrown out.

You might be getting ahead of yourself slightly here...

Monty Burnz

It's quite depressing that it is:

1. Quite possible that they will not be jailed for murder
2. Even if they are, they will be out by the time they are 30-odd.

I'm sorry but going away and arming yourself and then plunging a knife repeatedly into somebody until they die does not merit 12 years (or whatever a life sentence is these days) in jail. Can anybody seriously argue that our criminal justice system is fair and effective?

Ray Palmer

Anybody else notice the people went out of their apartment to confront the stabers.
They were adults and at at least one of the perpetrator was a child.
Shouldn't of happened but there was at least mutual aggression. It wasn't just random

Gordon Gecko

bring back hanging!

Yakult

Should be a life sentence for this murder. But will prob be manslaughter and 13 years or what ever the judge feels "appropriate"..

13spanner

I know common sense isn't awfully common among these type of people, but how could either of them have not stopped for just a second and thought what exactly is stabbing this lad going to achieve?

Such an tragic waste...

conorhal

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

bring back hanging!

We don't favour capital punishment, so no. Unless you mean hanging them by the balls outside the fourcourts, in which case, very much yes!

Death and Taxes

From reading the reports in the papers it is not obvious to me me who brought the knife. Could it be, I mean is it possible that the two men who left the apartment to confront the two lads brought a knife with them.
All I'm saying is nobody has even been charged and yet the OP and others have decided for themselves what happened and who was to blame.
Me..I think I'll wait till we have some facts before I grab my pitchfork and join the baying mob!

Motivator

WileyCoyote wrote: »

From reading the reports in the papers it is not obvious to me me who brought the knife. Could it be, I mean is it possible that the two men who left the apartment to confront the two lads brought a knife with them.
All I'm saying is nobody has even been charged and yet the OP and others have decided for themselves what happened and who was to blame.
Me..I think I'll wait till we have some facts before I grab my pitchfork and join the baying mob!

No the guards said the 2 rats were refused entry to a party & came back later on with knives. The 2 lads that were stabbed were taunted & came down to get rid of the 2 rats. 2 rats didn't like being told what to do & stabbed the 2 lads.

2 rats should be drowned. Then their families & friends should be rounded up & burned in a big fire. The only way to stop all this **** with these vermen is to attack the source. Castrate all inner city Dublin **** & put a lock & key on their rat faced, skag head girlfriends.

I HATE THEM ALL.

mod: banned.

anncoates

Motivator wrote: »

2 rats should be drowned. Then their families & friends should be rounded up & burned in a big fire. The only way to stop all this **** with these vermen is to attack the source. Castrate all inner city Dublin **** & put a lock & key on their rat faced, skag head girlfriends.

I HATE THEM ALL.

Did one of those nasty boys with a tracksuit make you cry before?

Death and Taxes

Motivator wrote: »

No the guards said the 2 rats were refused entry to a party & came back later on with knives. The 2 lads that were stabbed were taunted & came down to get rid of the 2 rats. 2 rats didn't like being told what to do & stabbed the 2 lads.

2 rats should be drowned. Then their families & friends should be rounded up & burned in a big fire. The only way to stop all this **** with these vermen is to attack the source. Castrate all inner city Dublin **** & put a lock & key on their rat faced, skag head girlfriends.

I HATE THEM ALL.

What you claim to have happened is not in any report I have heard or seen, please provide a link to your evidence.
Your post is generally just extremely offensive and insulting rubbish.

kylith

Rule 1 of living in that area is: You do not piss off the locals.

Death and Taxes

kylith wrote: »

Rule 1 of living in that area is: You do not piss off the locals.

Oh thats right tar a whole community with the same brush. Well done!

admiralofthefleet

kylith wrote: »

Rule 1 of living in that area is: You do not piss off the locals.

i had to have meetings with a bloke that was doing something for my wedding that lived on st. anthonys road. he warned me not come after dark and never leave the car outside. when i got to the street i couldnt believe how rough it was and laughed at the fact that people slag the northside when a place like that street exists on the south of the city
a bloke i used to work with from a decent part of rialto nearly puked when i told him i had an appointment on that street

kylith

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Oh thats right tar a whole community with the same brush. Well done!

I live not far from where this stabbing occurred. In my experience over the last decade I have found that you will be grand around there, as long as you don't piss off the wrong people. And since you never know who the wrong people to piss off are, you're better off not pissing off anyone.

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

i had to have meetings with a bloke that was doing something for my wedding that lived on st. anthonys road. he warned me not come after dark and never leave the car outside. when i got to the street i couldnt believe how rough it was and laughed at the fact that people slag the northside when a place like that street exists on the south of the city
a bloke i used to work with from a decent part of rialto nearly puked when i told him i had an appointment on that street

Yeah, I don't walk down that street, and I'm not surprised that you were advised not to leave the car there.

Ed Winchester

Yakult wrote: »

Should be a life sentence for this murder. But will prob be manslaughter and 13 years or what ever the judge feels "appropriate"..

If they went off and got a lethal weapon, returned to the scene and used it to kill someone, it's hard to see how they will be done for anything other than murder.

But nothing would surprise me with our justice system.

Monty Burnz

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

i had to have meetings with a bloke that was doing something for my wedding that lived on st. anthonys road. he warned me not come after dark and never leave the car outside. when i got to the street i couldnt believe how rough it was and laughed at the fact that people slag the northside when a place like that street exists on the south of the city
a bloke i used to work with from a decent part of rialto nearly puked when i told him i had an appointment on that street

Some nice houses down there, slightly let down by some of the residents. What part of your upbringing would make you think it was a good idea to give the Google Car the finger?

I wonder are there genetic reasons for these morons ending up at the bottom of the pile? Serious question, although perhaps dangerously close to eugenics.

anncoates

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What part of your upbringing would make you think it was a good idea to give the Google Car the finger?
.

I think I recall the odd Google Maps mooner from other more salubrious parts of the city, in fairness. .

Monty Burnz

anncoates wrote: »

I think I recall the odd Google Maps mooner from other more salubrious parts of the city, in fairness. .

I think there's a difference - mooning is (usually) a joke, giving the finger is just mindless aggression/spite.

thiarfearr

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's quite depressing that it is:

1. Quite possible that they will not be jailed for murder
2. Even if they are, they will be out by the time they are 30-odd.

I'm sorry but going away and arming yourself and then plunging a knife repeatedly into somebody until they die does not merit 12 years (or whatever a life sentence is these days) in jail. Can anybody seriously argue that our criminal justice system is fair and effective?

Its clearly not, look at any local paper and you'll see the same the same scumbags up in court every week, running up 50+ convictions yet still free to go out and run up more.
This man in Donegal somehow has 465 convictions ffs
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/10/23/co-donegal-man-has-465-criminal-convictions-court-hears/

Then you've beasts like Larry Murphy free after only 12? years, despite showing no remorse, attending no counselling and in all liklihood still a threat.

anncoates

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think there's a difference - mooning is (usually) a joke, giving the finger is just mindless aggression/spite.

I think I#d prefer a finger gesture than having to see some zany student cunt flashing his flabby white arse at me.

Monty Burnz

anncoates wrote: »

I think I#d prefer a finger gesture than having to see some zany student cunt flashing his flabby white arse at me.

I wouldn't be too keen on either of them, but only one would give me the impression some scum would happily knife me.

fullstop

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I wouldn't be too keen on either of them, but only one would give me the impression some scum would happily knife me.

Bit of a jump from giving the middle finger to stabbing someone, think about it for a minute.

Monty Burnz

fullstop wrote: »

Bit of a jump from giving the middle finger to stabbing someone, think about it for a minute.

:rolleyes:

CuriousG

The justice system in this country is exactly the opposite of just that - not justified at all.

Only in Ireland can you get *a very unfair sentence for not taxing garlic, while people like this get away lighter (which does happen) thanks to 'their backgrounds'.

I don't care what anyone says, your background is not a legitimate excuse for how you act. Everyone has free will.

Death and Taxes

CuriousG wrote: »

The justice system in this country is exactly the opposite of just that - not justified at all.

Only in Ireland can you get half a life sentence for not taxing garlic, while people like this get away lighter (which does happen) thanks to 'their backgrounds'.

I don't care what anyone says, your background is not a legitimate excuse for how you act. Everyone has free will.

A life sentence in Ireland is in fact life, however on average you can expect to get temporary relase with strict conditions after 17 years, though many Life sentence prisoners have served over 25 years and a few have served over 30 years.
No right thinking person would excuse a crime because of the perpetrators backround, however it can and often does help explain how the come to be involved in crime.
6 years is NOT half a life sentence, check facts then post.

CuriousG

WileyCoyote wrote: »

No right thinking person would excuse a crime because of the perpetrators backround, however it can and often does help explain how the come to be involved in crime.

6 years is NOT half a life sentence, check facts then post.

It may explain how they came to be involved, but it is not an excuse by a long shot. There are some extremely decent people that grow up in what people would call 'rougher' areas, what is the excuse for the small few that decide to use it as an excuse? They are the people I am referring to. Ie; pretty literally a get out of jail free card to some extent, that they came from a bad place and so that is the cause of their problems, which does happen a lot.

You're right, I was just generalising, fixed.

smurgen

this case is absolutley horrific! What sort of people can make such a flippant decision at the drop of a hat as to just murder someone?

Monty Burnz

CuriousG wrote: »

Only in Ireland can you get *a very unfair sentence for not taxing garlic, while people like this get away lighter (which does happen) thanks to 'their backgrounds'.

To be fair, that 'garlic man' stole €1,600,000 from the state. Funny how people rail against white collar crime and demand we 'jail the bankers', and when one guy is actually caught and punished it's considered unfair...

CuriousG

Monty Burnz wrote: »

To be fair, that 'garlic man' stole €1,600,000 from the state. Funny how people rail against white collar crime and demand we 'jail the bankers', and when one guy is actually caught and punished it's considered unfair...

I was just using that as a comparison to the seriousness of it though, yeah he stole money, it is still a crime, but he actually paid it back, and a human life is worth a lot more than garlic tax in my opinion. Sentences should reflect that is all I am saying.

smurgen

Yakult wrote: »

Should be a life sentence for this murder. But will prob be manslaughter and 13 years or what ever the judge feels "appropriate"..

if you should take a life you should have your life taken,simple as. These guys should be locked up until the day they are take out in a box. I have plenty of friends who have and had horrific lives and haven't turned out like animals like these guys.I have zero sympathy for them. People need to understand that some decisions have irreversible consequences and the law should reflect the sererity of their crimes in their sentences. If locking them up costs too much then the cost of locking someone up should be reduced. If this means jailing someone in medieval style prisons then so be it.

anncoates

Monty Burnz wrote: »

but only one would give me the impression some scum would happily knife me.

That's a little bit of a jump in association.

A hysterical Rake's Progress scenario even.

saiint

so who provoked who? no doubth a knife shouldnt be used over a confrontation

Monty Burnz

anncoates wrote: »

That's a little bit of a jump in association.

A hysterical Rake's Progress scenario even.

Jeesus Christ, you really have to spell everything out here, don't you?

One implies aggression, the other doesn't.

Can everyone follow that or will I have to break it down a bit more?

Latchy

kylith wrote: »

Rule 1 of living in that area is: You do not piss off the locals.

There is pissing somebody off and there is PISSING somebody off but if that's how the rules work in that area that god help the good % of people who have to live and work there .


I recently traveled over from England to visit my mother who was a patient in St James Hospital and after the visit at 8.pm , I walked up to the Rialto end of the hospital to catch the 17 bus .I wasn't long standing at the shelter when 4 lads of around 15 years of age approached and proceeded to jump up and in ' kung foo style ' , continually kick the bus shelter and create a general air of menace which made myself and two other people standing there feel very uncomfortable indeed ...which is precisely what they had in mind . After 10 minutes of this , I got so fed up that I jumped on the next city centre bus just to get away from this bunch of brain dead's .

smurgen wrote: »

this case is absolutley horrific! What sort of people can make such a flippant decision at the drop of a hat as to just murder someone?

That's what's so shocking ,that somebody at the drop of a hat take a life so causally .

Ray Palmer

A 16 year old child, don't forget.
Probably didn't think it was result in death to carry a knife. A 23 man should not have gone down and confronted them once let alone twice

Much worse was the story where an elder brother let is 16 brother take a knife out from the kitchen. That resulted in death also. Coolock UCI if I recall. Brother should have been charged.

Monty Burnz

Ray Palmer wrote: »

A 16 year old child, don't forget.
Probably didn't think it was result in death to carry a knife. A 23 man should not have gone down and confronted them once let alone twice

A 7 year old would know that you can kill people by stabbing them. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

.jacksparrow.

Ray Palmer wrote: »

A 16 year old child, don't forget.
Probably didn't think it was result in death to carry a knife. A 23 man should not have gone down and confronted them once let alone twice

Much worse was the story where an elder brother let is 16 brother take a knife out from the kitchen. That resulted in death also. Coolock UCI if I recall. Brother should have been charged.

That was an horrendous crime.the poor lad had only recovered from cancer,and was walking home from the cinema with his girlfriend,when this absolute scumbag stabbed him to death and left him to bleed to death in front of his girlfriend.

It angers me even writing it.

grey_so_what

My heart goes out to the poor lad, his friend and their Mam and Dads.........

It is nearly Christmas and they have lost a son....and another boy with stab wounds.

RIP and heartfelt sadness.

Fighting Irish

Duggy747 wrote: »

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A fight broke out, the 2 scummers left the scene and came back later. This time, presumably, packing blades on them which resulted in a young guy dead.

What a waste.

They went out and confronted unknown scumbags, it's a pity he died but it's a possibility when you act stupid