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Spiritual

MaxSteele wrote: »

Yes, aggressive, repeat offending, refusal to rehabilitate, anti-social vermin.

As in people who adopt that tone when engaging with someone they might not agree with?

MaxSteele

Spiritual wrote: »

As in people who adopt that tone when engaging with someone they might not agree with?

No just anti-social filth.

9959

MaxSteele wrote: »

Yes, aggressive, repeat offending, refusal to rehabilitate, anti-social vermin.

Next you'll be recommending extermination, after all they're only 'vermin'.

MaxSteele

9959 wrote: »

Next you'll be recommending extermination, after all they're only 'vermin'.

Okay then. I'll compromise and refer to them as "humans" to spare any more offense.

Extermination ? It would save money, air, space, I could go on.

Spiritual

MaxSteele wrote: »

Okay then. I'll compromise and refer to them as "humans" to spare any more offense.

Extermination ? It would save money, air, space, I could go on.

You could go on but would you kindly desist from doing so. It is clear where you would like this thread to head but it would be better if the adults were left to discuss it.

Pottler

The French already tried this with "District 13", all it did was give David Belle some cool kips to jump and run in. Ok, maybe not in real life, but we all know how life imitates art, and in fairness, it was a dumb idea in art, and it's a dumb idea in real life. Ghettos never really end well..

MaxSteele

Spiritual wrote: »

You could go on but would you kindly desist from doing so. It is clear where you would like this thread to head but it would be better if the adults were left to discuss it.

It would be better If people would realize that life sentences for repeat offenders is a better solution, Instead of tap dancing around poor scumbag rights and investing more wastes of money in what we've already deduced.

dttq

Did some right wing loonies just grab control in Holland, could have sworn that along with Sweden, they were the most liberal nation in Europe. This is like something you'd expect from the US Republican party, and not the liberal Dutch.

MaxSteele

Right, maybe I'm swinging too hard at extermination and ghetto prisons too much.

But Is someone going to suggest a viable alternative to a Scumtown ?

Our man in Havana

House them on ships moored off the coast or on the uninhabited islands.

Spiritual

dttq wrote: »

Did some right wing loonies just grab control in Holland, could have sworn that along with Sweden, they were the most liberal nation in Europe. This is like something you'd expect from the US Republican party, and not the liberal Dutch.

The proposal has come from left wing party if my info is correct. Having spent time in Holland, I think the liberal view is a bit swayed by the attitude to hash. I found that a lot of people I spoke with would be very much right leaning on most topics.

Though I don't think they are that far off centre.

dttq

peadar76 wrote: »

good idea. an island of the coast would be perfect

Bah humbug, can't we just throw those scummy working class ruffians into the workhouses. To hell with all that liberal pinko compassion and tackling the underlying problems that cause crime in poorer communities. Workhouses......prisons.......isolated communities......get tough....rabble rabble rabble

Madam_X

On the surface it seems like a solution not without merit - keep making life utter hell for your neighbours - the majority of people in your community - and you'll face being moved to a crappy "colony" of a place. Threat is enough, terrorism of neighbours ends. But of course it's not an ideal world - the threat won't be a deterrant for many, they'll get moved out to those marginalised projects, and more problems will be created out there, including their children being affected if not taken into care.

limklad

There is advantages and disadvantages to this solution.

On the positive side: It would be great to rid of troublesome neighbours who breach the peace causing unwanted stress in additional to our stressful lives, looking for work to pay the bills, food, etc.

The negative side: It could create a bigger monster in the future creating a much bigger problem. Some of these people are most likely abused by others and ASB themselves to punish their victims, Or worst innocent victims by ruthless sneaky devious neighbours could use this by constantly calling the council to complain about unwanted good neighbours to rid of them from the area could abuse this process.

ASB by the very young and the very old and ther families could potentially be re-house here.
It could be the Guantánamo of Holland. Where they are effectly prisioners are been watch in minimal inhumane conditions.

There are already several small-scale trial projects in the Netherlands, including in Amsterdam, where 10 shipping container homes have been set aside for offenders, under 24-hour supervision from social workers and police

They did try this in the 19th Century and they just created gettos for the lawless to trive (Drenthe and Overijssel, outside Amsterdam). They are again just push their problem farther into the future to create a bigger problem and the city officals are back repeating their mistakes I am afraid.

I am at a loss to figure out what is the solution. We cannot shoot them, We cannot put them into Medical induce comas, the usual punishment in the past will not work as they will always be new ones to replace them to fill the vacuum. We seen that here in the evolution of criminal gangs here over the decades where when there is a vacuum, then worst people trive in it and become more ruthless, who orginally starts off in their youth in ASB.

Some may have underline conditions from early childhood such as abuse by others, ignored as unwanted by family or by the state/city agencies. It easy to blame others for our own actions, even I recieve abuse from early childhood, I still have to decide how I treat others. The problem is they have not recieve the right type of love, they only recieve the abusive type.

It could simply be that Greed and power with no concept of consequences of thir hurtful actions or simply just lack of empthy or both could be the main problem.
People who suffer from narcissism, physopaths, Serial killers, racism are all guilty of ASB at some time of their lives.
In 2003 the Anti-Social Behaviour Act in the UK have the following list which are considered Anti-Social.

• Substance misuse such as glue sniffing
• Drinking alcohol on the streets
• Problems related to animals such as not properly restraining animals in public places
• Begging
• Prostitution related activity such as curb crawling and loitering
• Abandoned vehicles that may or may not be stolen
• Vehicle nuisance such as "cruises" – revving car engines, racing, wheel spinning and horn sounding.
• Noise coming from business or industry
• Noise coming from alarms
• Noise coming from pubs and clubs
• Environmental damage such as graffiti and littering
• Inappropriate use of fireworks
• Inappropriate use of public space such as disputes among neighbours, rowdy or inconsiderate behaviour
• General drunken behaviour (which is rowdy or inconsiderate)
• Hoax calls to the emergency services
• Pubs or clubs serving alcohol after hours
• Malicious communication
• Hate incidents where abuse involves race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, age or disability
• Firearms incidents such as use of an imitation weapon.

The Noise from Alarms especially house alarms would put many in my Area into the ASBO list from the UK point of view.

So combine The Amsterdam solution with the UK Anti-Social Behaviour Act here to the mid west region, then they will be building a new city getho similiar to the size of Limerick city to house all these ASB people. It would be far bigger when the Celtic Tiger was booming.

limklad

Our man in Havana wrote: »

House them on ships moored off the coast or on the uninhabited islands.

The uninhabited island was called Spike Island in Cork Harbour, unfortuentely they shut it down.

woodoo

Its a great idea, hem the scum into one area and have them monitored 24 hrs a day. It will free up neighborhoods for ordinary people to live in peace. It would most likely have th4 desired effect and people would modify their behaviour. I hope it goes ahead.