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So, Boards.ie has a bigot/sectarian Moderator now?

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    #32
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I don't see why he should be hounded for stating his political opinions, is it a crime to be a Unionist?

    In my view the only comment that could be perceived as being bigoted in the true sense of the word was the one about driving Catholics off their land, which I think he said in the heat of the moment. There was plenty of vitriolic abuse flying around the thread by that stage and a lot of people made silly comments.


    Just to be clear.

    I have no issue with anyone nailing their colours to the mast and stating their political persuasions or opinions. (as pointed out in my op)

    I do however have a problem with someone (especially a mod) being openly and brazenly bigoted on a public forum.

    Like I said previously had he made derogatory comments against an ethnic minority, or a certain race their may well have be uproar on the site, in our not so distant past, it just so happens that members of the catholic community living in the north were considered
    an 'ethnic minority' and indeed are still regarded as such by some sections of the community in the north.

    I'm far from a trouble maker on this site, indeed this is the first time I've ever felt the need to post in feedback, but I was personally offended by the remarks made in tonights thread.

    I just felt the need to point it out.


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    #33
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I'm far from a trouble maker on this site, indeed this is the first time I've ever felt the need to post in feedback, but I was personally offended by the remarks made in tonights thread.

    I just felt the need to point it out.



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    #34
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Okay, we get it. You were annoyed/upset/offended/whatever over what you read that was posted by a mod.

    Did you report them? If so, are you happy with the outcome? If yes, what's the point of the thread? If no, what outcome would you like?
    If you didn't report the, why not?

    I get that you're trying to say it's been dealt with less harshly but to me it just seemed like him and the others were getting a bit too emotional in the argument and were told not to post again. I don't see the problem with that resolution. Cards were given when needed and also, more importantly, by telling them not to post again it's preventing them from posting anything else in that thread which'll cause problems.


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    #35
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Okay, we get it. You were annoyed/upset/offended/whatever over what you read that was posted by a mod.

    Did you report them? If so, are you happy with the outcome? If yes, what's the point of the thread? If no, what outcome would you like?
    If you didn't report the, why not?

    I get that you're trying to say it's been dealt with less harshly but to me it just seemed like him and the others were getting a bit too emotional in the argument and were told not to post again. I don't see the problem with that resolution. Cards were given when needed and also, more importantly, by telling them not to post again it's preventing them from posting anything else in that thread which'll cause problems.


    Do you condone the comments made?


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    #36
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Do you condone the comments made?

    That's neither here nor there. I'm just trying to find out what the purpose of the thread is since it really does sound like you're complaining for the sake of saying "I'm annoyed".


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    #37
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Insect Overlord wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqPcjm-X5GQ


    Doesn't stop Stephen Fry being offended by homophobia. ;)

    On the issue of Mods being 'ordinary' posters outside the forums they moderate, my own view is that if they tend to behave like dicks then it's reasonable to question why they are Modding at all. Unless Boards is stuck for volunteers, that is.

    The Report Post function is inadequate, IMO. Opaque, unaccountable blah blah etc.


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    #38
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,136 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I'm only glad i do not frequent the motors forum as sadly I would be left with no choice but to disregard this mods authority.
    That would be a logical fallacy, argumentum ad hominem. Apropos, note that would not be a valid defense in a moderator/user dispute-resolution, if you chose to ignore a moderator's instruction in any forum, Motors or otherwise.
    If you are going to have Moderators pontificating to the rest of us about what we can and cannot say,then the Moderators themselves should behave in a proper manner EVERY TIME THEY POST irrespective of the forum.
    Henceforth, Moderators, as any user, adhere to the rules of any forum they post in, and the rules of the website. If the moderator, posting in any capacity, was found to be in violation of the forum's rules that you have selected posts from, they will be dealt with.
    When someone is a mod it means the site has chosen them to be one - it looks like a seal of approval on that poster, and that they represent the site.
    A Mod of mustard has a seal of approval to moderate all disputes related to the discussion of mustard.
    If I made sectarian comments or the like outside of work, even just on facebook, I could expect to be, at the very least, reprimanded by my employers, and probably sacked.
    Because most employers stipulate that you don't discuss certain categories in the workplace. Primarily, that would be sexual, racial, political and religious references, but employers may vary in this behavior. As you've guessed, boards doesn't have this same stipulation: you are allowed to talk about LBGT, Womens Rights, Politics, Religion, etc. with given latitude.
    If a mod is consistently getting carded or banned, that would be looked into by the Admins.
    Correct. Matters of such nature have occurred before.
    At the end of the day it doesnt really effect me
    Then why are you so offended, if it doesn't affect you? Either you aren't offended and you're raising this issue for the sake of raising an issue, or you're offended. The former is a waste of energy.

    The comments in question are at best inflammatory to sensitive parties, but I would hardly declare them abhorrent. We regularly entertain sectarian discussions about Israel and Palestine, for instance, with views either which way, which are inflammatory in nature such that they regularly spark heated debate; it just doesn't get messy until one person or another decides to spice the talk up a bit by wishing for the other side to be wiped off the map and such. Saying "I believe Israel should return to the 1967 Borders" would, analogously to a comment you raised as offensive, not really be that offensive at all, but rather a point of view.

    Cheers.


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    #39
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    That's neither here nor there. I'm just trying to find out what the purpose of the thread is since it really does sound like you're complaining for the sake of saying "I'm annoyed".


    I just think a can of worms may have been opened.


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    #40
    Insect Overlord
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I just think a can of worms may have been opened.

    Yes, and you're holding the can-opener. And yet, you still haven't really given a decent reason for letting the worms loose.


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    #41
    desaparecidos
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭desaparecidos


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I don't see why he should be hounded for stating his political opinions, is it a crime to be a Unionist?

    I don't understand how a unionist got the position of a mod. It isn't 1915 anymore.


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    #42
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Overheal wrote: »
    That would be a logical fallacy, argumentum ad hominem.

    Apropos, note that would not be a valid defense in a moderator/user dispute-resolution, if you chose to ignore a moderator's instruction in any forum, Motors or otherwise.



    In other words, not a logical fallacy at all but simply an unwise move because of the power differential.


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    #43
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I just think a can of worms may have been opened.

    I don't get why you're so evasive.
    It's not unreasonable to ask why you opened a thread here, most notably when the issue has been dealt with. I'm guessing you might just think it wasn't a harsh enough punishment but if it was that then... okay, just say it?


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    #44
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,136 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    In other words, not a logical fallacy at all but simply an unwise move because of the power differential.
    It would be both.

    :)


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    #45
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    I don't get why you're so evasive.
    It's not unreasonable to ask why you opened a thread here, most notably when the issue has been dealt with. I'm guessing you might just think it wasn't a harsh enough punishment but if it was that then... okay, just say it?

    Harsh enough? I don't know, was a red card warranted iyo?

    I'm not being evasive, my can of worms reference was made to signify just how many future banned posters from AH may revert to these particular comments tonight.

    Food for thought, that's all.


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    #46
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    Overheal wrote: »
    It would be both.

    :)




    Guess which matters on Boards... ;)


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    #47
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,136 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    As far as I'm concerned, both, since I hold everything I read on here up to argumentum ad hominem quite a lot.
    Ghandee wrote: »
    Harsh enough? I don't know, was a red card warranted iyo?

    I'm not being evasive, my can of worms reference was made to signify just how many future banned posters from AH may revert to these particular comments tonight.

    Food for thought, that's all.
    Im sure it won't be any worse than that time that thing happened over some soccer match and - what was it again? France's own goal or something. Anyway, that was a doozy. If they can top that, I'd be impressed and somewhat amused.


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    #48
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Harsh enough? I don't know, was a red card warranted iyo?

    I'm not being evasive, my can of worms reference was made to signify just how many future banned posters from AH may revert to these particular comments tonight.

    Food for thought, that's all.

    Okay now that you're trying to answer some things I'm asking, can you tell me why you opened this thread in the first place?


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    #49
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    desaparecidos wrote: »
    I don't understand how a unionist got the position of a mod. It isn't 1915 anymore.

    I absolutely agree. All mods should be true-green republicans. That'll show the fcukers!

    ...
    or alternatively
    ...

    Seriously? You're in favour of discrimination against Unionists but if someone didn't get a job for being a Shinner you'd start a riot ... amirite?


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    #50
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Brutal Deluxe wrote: »
    Okay now that you're trying to answer some things I'm asking, can you tell me why you opened this thread in the first place?

    This is feedback.

    I thought I'd post my distaste at a repulsive, bigoted comment made inn the feedback forum.

    can i ask you something now?

    Why does the fact, that I offered some feedback in the feedback forum bother you so much?

    I was under the impression that's what it existed for no?


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    #51
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Orion wrote: »
    I absolutely agree. All mods should be true-green republicans. That'll show the fcukers!

    ...
    or alternatively
    ...

    Seriously? You're in favour of discrimination against Unionists but if someone didn't get a job for being a Shinner you'd start a riot ... amirite?

    I think/hope his comment was made in jest.


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    #52
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I think/hope his comment was made in jest.

    as was mine :)


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    #53
    Tombi!
    Registered Users Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    Ghandee wrote: »
    This is feedback.

    I thought I'd post my distaste at a repulsive, bigoted comment made inn the feedback forum.

    can i ask you something now?

    Why does the fact, that I offered some feedback in the feedback forum bother you so much?

    I was under the impression that's what it existed for no?

    Well... it just seems like you're complaining even though a resolution was given.

    You're basically saying "I know there was a punishment given over what was said but I'm complaining about what was said".


    You should have posted that in the thread to disagree with the post or reported it. I get that you're giving feedback but usually there's supposed to be a reason for feedback so what were you hoping your feedback would cause to happen?


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    #54
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 83,136 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I thought I'd post my distaste at a repulsive, bigoted comment
    Surely, you must mean bigoted comments made by a moderator, because I found numerous examples of bigoted commentary in that thread, and other various forms of fallacious argument that I don't have brain-time for.

    Why not take offense at this:
    jesus tapdancing christ I ****ing hate the north

    Is it because that user is not a moderator?

    How about I counter-propose, that why should a regular user be permitted to post to a lesser standard than that of a volunteer moderator? Why can't we all just, simply, talk on the same level? Mull on that, I have things to do.


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    #55
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    desaparecidos wrote: »
    I don't understand how a unionist got the position of a mod. It isn't 1915 anymore.
    Take issue with his words and actions all you like, that's an entirely different matter ... but what the hell has whether he's a Unionist or not got to do with anything?

    Or whether he's a Protestant or Catholic or Muslim or atheist, or whether he's a conservative or liberal or socialist, or a man or a woman, or straight or gay or bi for that matter?

    None of the above imho should be a criterion for picking moderators for this site, provided they are committed to and operate out of the basic principles on which this site operates.

    You're right, it's not 1915 any more, nor is it 1972, and we're all *supposed* to have grown up a bit since then!

    So would you like to justify why a Unionist shouldn't be a moderator on this site?

    Or have you simply seagull posted and then gone desaparecido from this thread?


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    #56
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Would you have started this thread if he wasn't a mod?

    Tenner says no.


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    #57
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Super-Rush wrote: »
    Would you have started this thread if he wasn't a mod?

    Tenner says no.

    Seeing as the thread title specifically mentions the word moderator, you win a tenner. :)


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    #58
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    GRMA wrote: »
    You don't think they were disgraceful comments?

    I see.

    I'll leave you all to it I guess.

    No more disgraceful than being openly celebratory when someone is murdered.
    desaparecidos wrote: »
    I don't understand how a unionist got the position of a mod. It isn't 1915 anymore.

    We all know that, but do you?


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    #59
    Star Lord
    Registered Users Posts: 30,123 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Seeing as the thread title specifically mentions the word moderator, you win a tenner. :)

    So that brings it back full circle, what did you hope this thread would accomplish?


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    #60
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭h2005


    I presume its obvious he wanted him de-modded?


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    #61
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Let's not turn this into something ugly. Feedback taken on board.


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