Nine years for raping a woman - twice!

Feisar

The reference by a poster above is a good one. If a dog repeatedly attacked people would we not put it down?

I don't believe in the death "penalty", not a penalty just a case of, no we don't want you in our society.

Remove the cancer.

Grayson

mickydoomsux wrote: »

His 26 prior convictions and the fact that he was out on probation at the time he raped this woman speak to how well rehabilitation works. No one is ever going to employ him even if he did choose to look for a job, which he won't.

I'll personally pay for the bullet that goes in the back of his head.

You're a guilty liberal who has read sociology books/papers written by other guilty liberals.

You're just trolling now aren't you.


Like I said earlier, our justice system isn't designed to rehabilitate. But it's because the vast majority of people are vengful and nasty. They don't want to see someone rehabilitated. They want to see them suffer for what they've done. 20 years in a "nice" prison? Well, they might have their freedom removed, but that's not enough. It has to really hurt. 10 years in a nasty prison, that's not enough. It has to be a longer and nastier sentance.

Rehabilitation isn't something that anyone wants to see happen, so don't blame prisioners who don't rehabilitate. All prison in ireland does is make you a tougher bastard than when you went in.

As a side note, this is what prisons are like in the US. They're so bad that if you take into account the number of rapes that occur in prison, there may be more male rape victims than female rape victims in the entire United States (the stats are very hazy which is why I said "may be").

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/21/us-more-men-raped-than-women

Rodin

Grayson wrote: »

You're just trolling now aren't you.


Like I said earlier, our justice system isn't designed to rehabilitate. But it's because the vast majority of people are vengful and nasty. They don't want to see someone rehabilitated. They want to see them suffer for what they've done. 20 years in a "nice" prison? Well, they might have their freedom removed, but that's not enough. It has to really hurt. 10 years in a nasty prison, that's not enough. It has to be a longer and nastier sentance.

Rehabilitation isn't something that anyone wants to see happen, so don't blame prisioners who don't rehabilitate. All prison in ireland does is make you a tougher bastard than when you went in.

As a side note, this is what prisons are like in the US. They're so bad that if you take into account the number of rapes that occur in prison, there may be more male rape victims than female rape victims in the entire United States (the stats are very hazy which is why I said "may be").

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/21/us-more-men-raped-than-women

3 strikes and you're out? Sounds good to me

Rodin

The rubbish has to be taken out.

The streets need to be swept clean

mickydoomsux

Grayson wrote: »

You're just trolling now aren't you.

Typical liberal sociology student response.

I don't agree with having tea and a nice chat with a social worker for rapists and other double-digit offenders so clearly i'm a bloodthirsty maniac who doesn't believe that someone who has opted out of society deserves umpteen chances to prove themselves regardless of their complete disdain for all of the rest of us. Obviously I'm trolling because i don't think it'll be all love and hugs once these people talk to someone about how icky their childhood was or some ****.

Grayson

Rodin wrote: »

3 strikes and you're out? Sounds good to me

Like the guy this story is about

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/18/proposition-36-california-three-strikes-law

70 year sentance because of a three strike rule. BTW, he didn't rape, murder or assault anyone. they were non violent burglaries.

Or this guy.

Jeremy Stewart, a 25-year-old father of two small children who was sentenced to 70 years under the three strikes law for breaking into two unoccupied homes and stealing jewellery. These two break-ins counted as his third and fourth strike (his priors were also burglary and coming into possession of stolen goods). So, in his case, the normal 25-to-life sentence was doubled to 50-to-life, and the judge threw in an extra 20 years for no reason anyone can explain to me – apparently, just to make absolutely sure this young man (who was struggling with drug addiction) never gets to see his children outside a prison visiting room again. Jeremy's mother tells me that his 70-year sentence was upheld recently in an appeals hearing, and Jeremy will not be eligible for any reduction of his sentence under Prop 36 because burglary counts as a serious felony.

mickydoomsux

Grayson wrote: »

Like the guy this story is about

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/18/proposition-36-california-three-strikes-law

70 year sentance because of a three strike rule. BTW, he didn't rape, murder or assault anyone. they were non violent burglaries.

Or this guy.

Ah well.

Tough ****.

Grayson

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Typical liberal sociology student response.

I don't agree with having tea and a nice chat with a social worker for rapists and other double-digit offenders so clearly i'm a bloodthirsty maniac who doesn't believe that someone who has opted out of society deserves umpteen chances to prove themselves regardless of their complete disdain for all of the rest of us. Obviously I'm trolling because i don't think it'll be all love and hugs once these people talk to someone about how icky their childhood was or some ****.

Where did I say that? You're the guy who said you'd pay to have someone shot when all you know is a few lines you read about him. That sounds trollish. Or sociopathic. Seriously, off the top of your head, can you even think of his name. You want to execure someone and you don't even know the guys name. That's a bit too blood thirsty for me.

Plus if you'd read the thread, you's see that my only disagreement with the sentance was that I thought he needed a psychological evaluation. Because seriously, who the **** rapes someone and then askes for their phone number so they can ask them out for dinner.

Grayson

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Ah well.

Tough ****.

Ahh. definitely trolling then.

mickydoomsux

Grayson wrote: »

Because seriously, who the **** rapes someone and then askes for their phone number so they can ask them out for dinner.

Someone who should be removed from society.

Rodin

Grayson wrote: »

Like the guy this story is about

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/18/proposition-36-california-three-strikes-law

70 year sentance because of a three strike rule. BTW, he didn't rape, murder or assault anyone. they were non violent burglaries.

Or this guy.

He shouldn't be stealing other people's possessions!!! He'd already got two warnings!!

jill_valentine

Candie wrote: »

Mostly unfairly so, but sometimes, like in the case of the judge who let the guy who viciously assaulted a girl in Drumcondra skip jail for a few grand, its a reasonable suspicion, isn't it?

Same judge gave somebody six years for garlic tax evasion.

The mind boggles.

Death and Taxes

jill_valentine wrote: »

Same judge gave somebody six years for garlic tax evasion.

The mind boggles.

Wrong.
Judge Hunt sentenced Anthony Lyons for the sexual assault.
Judge Hogan sentenced PAul Begley for evading the import duty on garlic.

Judgement Day

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Wrong.
Judge Hunt sentenced Anthony Lyons for the sexual assault.
Judge Hogan sentenced PAul Begley for evading the import duty on garlic.

Makes sense really - 6 years for evading tax and 9 for serious sexual assault. :rolleyes:

jill_valentine

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Wrong.
Judge Hunt sentenced Anthony Lyons for the sexual assault.
Judge Hogan sentenced PAul Begley for evading the import duty on garlic.

I was thinking of Mark Jordan.

The fact that we have to wonder "Oh, which violent attacker who walked out of court with a fine do you mean?" is pretty f*cking grim for a Friday evening, to be honest.

Judgement Day

jill_valentine wrote: »

I was thinking of Mark Jordan.

The fact that we have to wonder "Oh, which violent attacker who walked out of court with a fine do you mean?" is pretty f*cking grim for a Friday evening, to be honest.

Some years ago - don't ask when - I recall a government minister stating that some of the judiciary were senile but we could do nothing but wait for them to retire. Little has or will change I fear.

Dude111

Judgement Day wrote:

I am absolutely sick and tired of these unspeakable 'beasts' being given paltry sentences and then allowed back into society to re-offend.

Yes in my opinion they are as bad as DRUNK DRIVERS who end up taking (or hurting) someone INNOCENT while they walk off scott free!!!! (Not fair at all)

circular motion

Judgement Day wrote: »

If every second person raped was a man perhaps stiffer sentences would be handed down

are you for real?

imagine we lived in a world where there was only men. rape would be a slap on the wrist as is assault in this country when the victim is male.

i dont see how rape is any worse or more traumatizing for the victim than assault is. the only reason the sentenses are much harsher for rape than assault is because the victim is female the majority of times with rape, and male the majority of times with assault.

in places like japan where women arent seen as special to men, asault carries the same sentencing as rape.

Magill

circular motion wrote: »

are you for real?

imagine we lived in a world where there was only men. rape would be a slap on the wrist as is assault in this country when the victim is male.

i dont see how rape is any worse or more traumatizing for the victim than assault is. the only reason the sentenses are much harsher for rape than assault is because the victim is female the majority of times with rape, and male the majority of times with assault.

in places like japan where women arent seen as special to men, asault carries the same sentencing as rape.

Yeah... i think i'd take a beating any day over being raped...

DEFTLEFTHAND

For me it's not the sentence but the treatment they will receive. These sexual tendencies can be overcome in both men and women. The sentencing needs to include adequate treatment for the prisoner, and they should only be released when a professional thinks the time is right.

Handsome Bob

Penn wrote: »

Doesn't sound like it, considering he then asked her for her phone number. Seems more like he was trying to guilt her into not going to the guards.

The first thing that came to my mind reading that was that there must be some mental health issue at play. One has to be sick in the head to offer a hug and a dinner date after raping a woman. Not even the biggest scumbag would try to normalise something like that.

Grayson

Magill wrote: »

Yeah... i think i'd take a beating any day over being raped...

I know many people who have had a horrible time getting over an assault, both men and women. For guys they also feel like they should have been able to have defended themselves so they feel vunerable and immasculated.

As far as I'm concerned being asked rape or assault is like being asked what leg would you rather be shot in. Neither ****ing one.