Euro 2020

Collie D

ronjo wrote: »

So we will have 2 group games at home. They semi and final in London.
I wonder how far we will have to travel for the other 3 games

Ha

I'm hoping three home group matches and the Dublin last 16. Munich for the quarters and then London. €200 all in with Ryanair

On a serious note we really have to qualify for this now. Would be an absolute sickener otherwise.

Nerdlingr

JPA wrote: »

Sure aren't they hosting the next world cup!
UEFA/FIFA don't care about morals.

I know yeah, Gazprom are still sponsoring the Champions League as well.
Thought this might have been an opportunity for UEFA to give them a slap on the wrist this time.

recyclops

i think the 4 quarter finals are too spread across the continent myself

keeponhurling

iDave wrote: »

London AND Glasgow. How did the same country get 2 venues

It's a fair point i would think

Fr Tod Umptious

So does everyone who on the first few pages of this thread though this was the most stupid idea in the history of sports still think it is ?

Regardless of Dublin's participation I think this is a great idea, especially when there was no standout bidder for 2020

Lovely Bloke

keeponhurling wrote: »

It's a fair point i would think

UEFA and/or FIFA don't see them as the same country :rolleyes:

ArmaniJeanss

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

So does everyone who on the first few pages of this thread though this was the most stupid idea in the history of sports still think it is ?

Regardless of Dublin's participation I think this is a great idea, especially when there was no standout bidder for 2020

Looking at my posts I was against it and was also full sure that once Istanbul didn't get the 2020 Olympics that UEFA would give them this tournament instead. I was fairly way off there.

I'm still not a fan of it, I think they're losing a lot of the intangible good things that you get from having 16 (or 24) sets of fans congregating in the one country. But Ireland being a host is obviously good.

homerjay2005

fantastic news.

well done to John Delaney and the FAI, this is a great coup for them.

thelad95

Do people think this is the way forward for football tournaments?

The current model of countries spending hundreds of millions on white elephant infrastructure with often no legacy being left is extremely flawed, as was seen with the World Cup this year.

This occasion could have the whole of Europe buzzing, or it could be a damp squib that passes by without a whimper. We won't know until 2020.

Rowley Birkin QC

It's going to be no joke getting to Baku if we qualify!

Fr Tod Umptious

thelad95 wrote: »

Do people think this is the way forward for football tournaments?

The current model of countries spending hundreds of millions on white elephant infrastructure with often no legacy being left is extremely flawed, as was seen with the World Cup this year.

This occasion could have the whole of Europe buzzing, or it could be a damp squib that passes by without a whimper. We won't know until 2020.

For Europe I think it is.
The number of countries that can host these events individually without the white elephants is quiet small.

England
France
Italy
Spain
Germany
Russia

After that you would have co-hosts and white elephant jobs.

And most countries would not have the public or political will host these events with little gaps between them

So you may have a situation of 'individual host', then 'multi nation host as in 2020', then , 'co-host', then 'individual host'

roanoke

thelad95 wrote: »

Do people think this is the way forward for football tournaments?

The current model of countries spending hundreds of millions on white elephant infrastructure with often no legacy being left is extremely flawed, as was seen with the World Cup this year.

This occasion could have the whole of Europe buzzing, or it could be a damp squib that passes by without a whimper. We won't know until 2020.

Even though Dublin got games, which is great, I don't particularly like the overall idea.

Half the attraction for me personally about finals tournaments is that each finals has an overall identity by virtue of being played in a particular country. I found that was lost slightly even by just splitting Euro 2000 into two for example. Now it's been split in to 13 for Euro2020 it already feels like kind of a nothing-tournament to me.

Collie D

Speaking of qualifying.

Would host nations be seeded for the qualifiers?

Host nations are as follows: Ireland, Scotland, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Spain, Hungary, Romania, Germany, Italy, Russia, Azerbaijan and England

The highlighted teams didn't qualify for at least one of the last two main international tournaments. Four of them didn;t qualify for either. It's very possible that none of them would qualify for 2020 despite being hosts.


I would imagine Belgium would probably be all right but weren't at the last Euros so have included them.

thelad95

Will any team actually qualify automatically as 'host'?

The Cush

thelad95 wrote: »

Will any team actually qualify automatically as 'host'?

No.

bren2001

Collie D wrote: »

Speaking of qualifying.

Would host nations be seeded for the qualifiers?

Host nations are as follows: Ireland, Scotland, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Spain, Hungary, Romania, Germany, Italy, Russia, Azerbaijan and England

The highlighted teams didn't qualify for at least one of the last two main international tournaments. Four of them didn;t qualify for either. It's very possible that none of them would qualify for 2020 despite being hosts.


I would imagine Belgium would probably be all right but weren't at the last Euros so have included them.

It is a fair point that not all of the hosts will qualify. But the competition has just expanded. Apart from Azerbaijan and maybe Romania, I would expect all the bolded hosts to be in with a good shout of getting there.

thelad95 wrote: »

Will any team actually qualify automatically as 'host'?

No.

jaykay74

Disappointed Stockholm missed out.

Aenaes

roanoke wrote: »

Even though Dublin got games, which is great, I don't particularly like the overall idea.

Half the attraction for me personally about finals tournaments is that each finals has an overall identity by virtue of being played in a particular country. I found that was lost slightly even by just splitting Euro 2000 into two for example. Now it's been split in to 13 for Euro2020 it already feels like kind of a nothing-tournament to me.

Out of the last four European Championships, only Euro 2004 was held in one country. So you weren't really interested in the others?

As Fr Tod Umptious pointed out, there's only about 6 countries that could host the tournament comfortably by themselves. When you consider those countries would also be bidding to host World Cups then co-host/multiple host tournaments will continue.

The Cush

iDave wrote: »

London AND Glasgow. How did the same country get 2 cities?

Separate associations within UEFA.

dRNk SAnTA

Is it really fair for Russia to host a game in St Petersburg when they have World Cup 2 years later? Would rather see these games go elsewhere.

roanoke

Aenaes wrote: »

Out of the last four European Championships, only Euro 2004 was held in one country. So you weren't really interested in the others?.

No. Just that they were less interesting or intriguing to me than tournaments that were held in a single country. That goes doubly so for this 2020 arrangement.

The Cush

The votes

- First Phase, (Final & Semi-Finals)
The selection of London’s Wembley Stadium was made by acclamation after Munich had withdrawn its candidature prior to the vote.

- Second Phase, (Group Games & QFs)
Germany/Munich: 38 points
Azerbaijan/Baku: 37 points
Russia/St. Petersburg: 29 points
Italy/Rome: 20 points
Belgium/Brussels: 11 points
Wales/Cardiff: 3 points
Hungary/Budapest: 2 points

- Third Phase, (Group Games & Last 16)
The first vote, concerning Zone 2, produced the following result:
Denmark/Copenhagen: 13 votes
Sweden/Stockholm: 3 votes

The procedure was then repeated for Zone 4, and produced the following result:
Romania/Bucharest: 12 votes
Hungary/Budapest: 3 votes

- Fourth Phase, (Group Games & Last 16)
Netherlands/Amsterdam: 58 points
Republic of Ireland/Dublin: 55 points
Spain/Bilbao: 50 points
Hungary/Budapest: 48 points
Belgium/Brussels: 43 points
Scotland/Glasgow: 22 points
Wales/Cardiff: 21 points
Sweden/Stockholm: 18 points

Belarus/Minsk, Bulgaria/Sofia, FYR Macedonia/Skopje and Israel/Jerusalem were adjudged not to have fulfilled the bid requirements by the UEFA administration, these candidatures did not participate at all in the selection phases

http://www.uefa.org/mediaservices/mediareleases/newsid=2151195.html

Collie D

Who did the Swedes piss off to poll so low both times?

smackbunnybaby

The Cush wrote: »

The votes

- First Phase, (Final & Semi-Finals)
The selection of London’s Wembley Stadium was made by acclamation after Munich had withdrawn its candidature prior to the vote.

- Second Phase, (Group Games & QFs)
Germany/Munich: 38 points
Azerbaijan/Baku: 37 points
Russia/St. Petersburg: 29 points
Italy/Rome: 20 points
Belgium/Brussels: 11 points
Wales/Cardiff: 3 points
Hungary/Budapest: 2 points

Baku are effectively the #1 selected location?!
And St Petersburg #2

The final was always going to be London or Munich...

"Money talks..."

The Cush

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

The final was always going to be London or Munich...

"Money talks..."

They were the only cities to submit a bid to host the Final/Semi-final games, so one of them was going to get it. Germany withdrew their bid before voting started with London winning without a vote, Germany topped the voting in the next round.

London and Munich also submitted a bid for the next tier of games, the group/qf stage in case they were unsuccessful for the final/semi-final round.

Henlars67

Disappointed Ireland has got this.

Weekly attendances at football matches here are appalling. The country doesn't deserve it.

The state of football in this country is in a terrible state and this will be used by Delaney & Co to continue papering over those massive cracks, not that the majority of Irish people care about football here anyway.

Omackeral

Ah we deserve it just as much as the Azerbaijanis, they're not even in Europe.

keeponhurling

It would be hilarious if England didn't qualify

batistuta9

The Cush wrote: »

They were the only cities to submit a bid to host the Final/Semi-final games, so one of them was going to get it. Germany withdrew their bid before voting started with London winning without a vote, Germany topped the voting in the next round.

London and Munich also submitted a bid for the next tier of games, the group/qf stage in case they were unsuccessful for the final/semi-final round.

i think he means baku & st.petersburg

Omackeral

Henlars67 wrote: »

Disappointed Ireland has got this.

Weekly attendances at football matches here are appalling. The country doesn't deserve it.

The state of football in this country is in a terrible state and this will be used by Delaney & Co to continue papering over those massive cracks, not that the majority of Irish people care about football here anyway.

To be fair, you've got a bit of a point. I was just listening to the radio there and Lord Mayor of Dublin Christy Burke is going on about how next Sunday Croke Park will be packed with 82,000 people proving our sporting public have a desire for matches. That's grasping at straws IMO

dan1895

Omackeral wrote: »

To be fair, you've got a bit of a point. I was just listening to the radio there and Lord Mayor of Dublin Christy Burke is going on about how next Sunday Croke Park will be packed with 82,000 people proving our sporting public have a desire for matches. That's grasping at straws IMO

In fairness he does talk awful sh*te

googled eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9BAbuMUslM

Soups123

Henlars67 wrote: »

Disappointed Ireland has got this.

Weekly attendances at football matches here are appalling. The country doesn't deserve it.

The state of football in this country is in a terrible state and this will be used by Delaney & Co to continue papering over those massive cracks, not that the majority of Irish people care about football here anyway.

Means nothing really this is about international football not club.

Dublin is as deserving as any

ceegee

Am i right in presuming that Dublin will get twinned with Glasgow for the group stage?

Would by nice to be guaranteed not to get Netherlands, Spain, Germany or Italy in the group stage.

bren2001

ceegee wrote: »

Am i right in presuming that Dublin will get twinned with Glasgow for the group stage?

Would by nice to be guaranteed not to get Netherlands, Spain, Germany or Italy in the group stage.

It is an interesting point. How are the seedings for the group stages going to work? I assume we will not be in pot 1. If I was to hazard a guess, each team is allocated to its respective pot, then the host countries are placed into a group. So if we were 3rd seeds we would occupy the 3rd place in a group prior to the draw. Then the draw would proceed as normal? That makes most amount of sense to me.

ceegee

Could anyone confirm if my understanding of the qualification process is correct?
Phase 1: Nations league. Ireland will likely play in Div 2.
The division is split into 4 groups of 3 teams who playoff home and away

Phase 2: Normal qualifying process. ten groups, top 2 from each qualify

Phase 3: the top team from each group in Div 2 from the Nations League playoff afainst each other for 1 qualifying spot. (Same applies for Div 1, 3 and 4). If a pool winner has already qualified during phase 2 their spot goes to the team below them in the pool.
If less than 4 teams in a division havent already qualified then the extra spots will go to the next placed team in the lower division

So theoretically Ireland could lose every qualifier and come bottom of their league but still get in the play off places if the other teams in their pool had qualified automatically in phase 2.


Im gonna need a big ass wallchart to keep track of who is qualifying when for this tournament

Fr Tod Umptious

roanoke wrote: »

No. Just that they were less interesting or intriguing to me than tournaments that were held in a single country. That goes doubly so for this 2020 arrangement.

Unless I am at the tournament the venues mean nothing to me.

The games are just as interesting or boring regardless of where they are played.

homerjay2005

Henlars67 wrote: »

Disappointed Ireland has got this.

Weekly attendances at football matches here are appalling. The country doesn't deserve it.

The state of football in this country is in a terrible state and this will be used by Delaney & Co to continue papering over those massive cracks, not that the majority of Irish people care about football here anyway.

we have one of the best supported international teams across Europe, especially for a country of our size.

theres about 40+ countries accross Europe who would love to have our home international attendances and our away support. look at some of the figures for most countries for friendly games and they barely average 10,000 at each game, we normally get at least twice that.

the vast majority of teams (only about 6-8) who have better attendances, have populations multiples that of ours. our away fan base is the best bar none in Europe.

to say our country doesnt care about football, is a massive lie.

dan1895

homerjay2005 wrote: »

we have one of the best supported international teams across Europe, especially for a country of our size.

theres about 40+ countries accross Europe who would love to have our home international attendances and our away support. look at some of the figures for most countries for friendly games and they barely average 10,000 at each game, we normally get at least twice that.

the vast majority of teams (only about 6-8) who have better attendances, have populations multiples that of ours. our away fan base is the best bar none in Europe.

to say our country doesnt care about football, is a massive lie.

They care about occasions and events. Attendance v Oman was disgraceful. No culture of going to games every week.

yabadabado

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the vast majority of teams (only about 6-8) who have better attendances, have populations multiples that of ours. our away fan base is the best bar none in Europe.

to say our country doesnt care about football, is a massive lie.

Not arguing because I don't know but is this true ?

I go to most of the away games and we don't get high numbers bar the big games away to countries where it is easy to get to.
I doubt we get close to 3000 for the majority of away games but could be wrong.

homerjay2005

dan1895 wrote: »

They care about occasions and events. Attendance v Oman was disgraceful. No culture of going to games every week.

there was 14,500 at it. you can be pretty sure that if Oman played the other 52 nations in Europe, 45 of those games wouldnt have more than 10-12,000 there.


there were 49,000 empty seats at Wembley on the same night for their Norway game. when they played each other in Norway 2 years ago, there was 21,000 there. if we played Norway or England at home, we'd have either 30k or 49k.

Corholio

homerjay2005 wrote: »

there was 14,500 at it. you can be pretty sure that if Oman played the other 52 nations in Europe, 45 of those games wouldnt have more than 10-12,000 there.


there were 49,000 empty seats at Wembley on the same night for their Norway game. when they played each other in Norway 2 years ago, there was 21,000 there. if we played Norway or England at home, we'd have either 30k or 49k.

Your just completely speculating. Everytime theres a low attendance at an Ireland game there's an excuse for it, everytime there's a high one the horns are fully blown.

Saying thered be a high attendance at an England game ain't half stating the obvious.

hjkl

Baku getting games is a disgrace. The closest host city to Baku is Budapest which is still very far away from it.
Azerbaijan isn't even in Europe ffs.

Henlars67

homerjay2005 wrote: »

we have one of the best supported international teams across Europe, especially for a country of our size.

theres about 40+ countries accross Europe who would love to have our home international attendances and our away support. look at some of the figures for most countries for friendly games and they barely average 10,000 at each game, we normally get at least twice that.

the vast majority of teams (only about 6-8) who have better attendances, have populations multiples that of ours. our away fan base is the best bar none in Europe.

to say our country doesnt care about football, is a massive lie.

How many attend games on a weekly or bi-weekly basis?

ebbsy

frimpong wrote: »

Baku getting games is a disgrace. The closest host city to Baku is Budapest which is still very far away from it.
Azerbaijan isn't even in Europe ffs.

The brown envelopes they gave were three fingers thick. That meets the requirements to host a major tournament.

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Fantastic news for Dublin, Ireland and Irish Sport. Hopefully Ireland will qualify for 2020 to avail of the opportunity.

Fr Tod Umptious

frimpong wrote: »

Baku getting games is a disgrace. The closest host city to Baku is Budapest which is still very far away from it.
Azerbaijan isn't even in Europe ffs.

Would o be correct in saying that the only bids for 2020 were Scotland/Eire and Georgia/Azerbaijan ?

Thus Dublin, Glasgow and Baku getting picked in this new format.

Seriously how can anyone complain about this?

The Cush

ceegee wrote: »

Could anyone confirm if my understanding of the qualification process is correct?
Phase 1: Nations league. Ireland will likely play in Div 2.
The division is split into 4 groups of 3 teams who playoff home and away

Phase 2: Normal qualifying process. ten groups, top 2 from each qualify

Phase 3: the top team from each group in Div 2 from the Nations League playoff afainst each other for 1 qualifying spot. (Same applies for Div 1, 3 and 4). If a pool winner has already qualified during phase 2 their spot goes to the team below them in the pool.
If less than 4 teams in a division havent already qualified then the extra spots will go to the next placed team in the lower division

So theoretically Ireland could lose every qualifier and come bottom of their league but still get in the play off places if the other teams in their pool had qualified automatically in phase 2.

That pretty much sums it up

EuropeanSon

Henlars67 wrote: »

How many attend games on a weekly or bi-weekly basis?

Who decided that that was the criterion that mattered?