Euro 2020

Omackeral

He's just stating that with regard to footballing culture in this country and he's right in my opinion. But as it pertains to International football, it's irrelevant as the national team will be well supported in any tournaments we get to.

Henlars67

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Who decided that that was the criterion that mattered?

Nobody, it's just my opinion that a country that has no culture of people attending football matches doesn't deserve to host games in a major tournament

roanoke

The Cush wrote: »

That pretty much sums it up

I had a quick scan of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_UEFA_Nations_League#Proposed_format) to try understand how this system will work. One thing I don't quite understand relates to if a team has already qualified from the 'traditional route' (i.e. Mar-Nov 2019) then they forego their play-off obligation (March 2020) and donate their place to the next time in line in the NationLeague standing.

However, what happens if, just for example, 9 teams out of 12 teams from "Division A" qualify through the traditional route (which seem entirely possible). This leaves 3 "Division A" teams who go into their play-off bracket (regardless of whether they finish 1st 2nd or 3rd in their group), leaving one place to be filled by a team from a lower division.

Now, if I read this correctly....

Four teams from each division which have not already qualified for the Euro finals will compete in the play-offs for each division, to be played in March 2020. The play-off berths will be first allocated to each pool winner, and if any of the pool winners have already qualified for the Euro finals, then to the next best ranked team of the division, etc. If in any division, there are fewer than four teams which have not already qualified for the Euro finals, the play-off berths will be allocated to the next best ranked team of the following division

... it means that the 'next' team (ie possibly/probably a first place team from"Division B") will be added to my aforementioned three "Division A" teams to make a quartet?

If this is so, then it seems to me like there could be scenarios whereby a "Division B" winner could end up having a more difficult NationsLeague route to Euro 2020 than "Division B" runner-up? Is this correct?

Again, I'm a bit sketchy on all this so if there's a mistake in what I say then please feel free to point it out.

Kidchameleon

I wonder where the first match/opening ceremony will be held seeing as there is no official "host". Perhaps Wembley will be considered the "main" host?

The Cush

I guess we won't have an answer to those questions until the competition Regulations are published sometime in 2017, even now the UEFA graphic above states the format is provisional and subject to change.

The draw for the competition should take place in late 2017 once the World Cup qualifying is completed and the final UEFA National Rankings 2017 are available. The rankings will decide which division/group each country will start in with promotion/relegation thereafter.

Guy:Incognito

What was wrong with a straight 2 from every group or however many is needed fill the spots, with playoffs if needed if the number don't work out properly?

Actually, looking at it that seems to be more or less It but they seem to have made it look really complicated.

roanoke

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What was wrong with a straight 2 from every group or however many is needed fill the spots, with playoffs if needed if the number don't work out properly?

Actually, looking at it that seems to be more or less It but they seem to have made it look really complicated.

As with (IMHO) every move FIFA / UEFA make when it comes to rejigging the qualification process, at its essence it's about aiding the traditional superpower countries and retaining the status quo.

From my observation this divisional system should work out very well for the top 6-8 teams in Europe as it offers them :
1) extra competitive games (and most likely extra wins) against other highly ranked teams in the FIFA rankings = points!
2) it offers them 2x ways to qualify for finals tournaments in case they somehow mange to blow it in the traditional qualification route (which almost impossible now anyway that there is 20+ places on offer)

FIFA/UEFA never want to return to the era when countries like England/Netherlands/France/Portugal are missing world cups and euro championships. For instance UEFA must have been fuming when England still managed to fail to qualify for a 16team Euro 2008. That's what I suspect is at the core of all this .... and has been ever since all this expansion/rejigging in the mid '90s onward.

ArmaniJeanss

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I wonder where the first match/opening ceremony will be held seeing as there is no official "host". Perhaps Wembley will be considered the "main" host?

Dublin selected as the venue for the qualification draw.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2017/0928/908123-dublin-to-host-euro-2020-qualifying-draw/
Our chance to get revenge on every else for 40 years of song&dance routines they've made us sit through before the teams are drawn.

GavRedKing

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Dublin selected as the venue for the qualification draw.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2017/0928/908123-dublin-to-host-euro-2020-qualifying-draw/
Our chance to get revenge on every else for 40 years of song&dance routines they've made us sit through before the teams are drawn.

So youre saying make them sit through 15mins of Jedward or Linda Martin, or both?

keeponhurling

Why do people bother traveling for draws like that ?
No advantage being there as opposed to just seeing the outcome on TV

Daemonic

keeponhurling wrote: »

Why do people bother traveling for draws like that ?
No advantage being there as opposed to just seeing the outcome on TV

All expenses paid jolly!

Was it Euro 88 when someone like Beckenbauer's kid drew a ball, looked at it, and threw it back in?

VillaMad

The UEFA Executive committee have made a few decisions today regarding Euro 2020:

Brussels have been removed as a host of Euro 2020 with all four of their games now moving to Wembley, which means that Wembley will now host 7 games in total in the tournament.

Rome (Stadio Olimpico) will host the opening game of the tournament.

A random draw was made to pair the cities
Group A - Rome and Baku
Group B - Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen
Group C - Amsterdam and Bucharest
Group D - London and Glasgow
Group E - Bilbao and Dublin
Group F - Munich and Budapest

Each qualifying country will play a minimum of two games at home if applicable.

If Ireland are to qualify, they will therefore face Spain in Group E should they also qualify (which obviously they will)

The match schedule for Euro 2020 will be announced in the spring next year.

FCIM

VillaMad wrote: »

The UEFA Executive committee have made a few decisions today regarding Euro 2020:

Brussels have been removed as a host of Euro 2020 with all four of their games now moving to Wembley, which means that Wembley will now host 7 games in total in the tournament.

Rome (Stadio Olimpico) will host the opening game of the tournament.

A random draw was made to pair the cities
Group A - Rome and Baku
Group B - Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen
Group C - Amsterdam and Bucharest
Group D - London and Glasgow
Group E - Bilbao and Dublin
Group F - Munich and Budapest

Each qualifying country will play a minimum of two games at home if applicable.

If Ireland are to qualify, they will therefore face Spain in Group E should they also qualify (which obviously they will)

The match schedule for Euro 2020 will be announced in the spring next year.

Drawing randomly is a bit ludicrous when you think of the distances involved. Surely something like

Group A - Baku and Bucharest
Group B - Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen
Group C - Dublin and Amsterdam
Group D - London and Glasgow
Group E - Bilbao and Rome
Group F - Munich and Budapest

would have made more sense in terms of travelling. Most of the pairings are OK but Baku and Rome is a trek, Amsterdam and Bucharest could have been better paired also.

bren2001

FCIM wrote: »

Drawing randomly is a bit ludicrous when you think of the distances involved. Surely something like

Group A - Baku and Bucharest
Group B - Saint Petersburg and Copenhagen
Group C - Dublin and Amsterdam
Group D - London and Glasgow
Group E - Bilbao and Rome
Group F - Munich and Budapest

would have made more sense in terms of travelling. Most of the pairings are OK but Baku and Rome is a trek, Amsterdam and Bucharest could have been better paired also.

It wasnt quite drawn at random, locations were selected based on team strength i.e. Spain were never going to get Germany etc.

FCIM

bren2001 wrote: »

It wasnt quite drawn at random, locations were selected based on team strength i.e. Spain were never going to get Germany etc.

It's not the teams I'm talking about it's the venues.

yabadabado

With the spread of cities it was always gonna be an issue.I would have preferred if they had maybe looked at it over 2 finals.Give it to countries that will never host a competition but divide it up maybe east and west over 2020 and 2024.Baku,Buarest and St Petersburg could then be in the eastern side.

bren2001

FCIM wrote: »

It's not the teams I'm talking about it's the venues.

But the venues and teams are linked. In the example you give, youve Spain and Italy in the same group. That just isnt going to happen.

FCIM

bren2001 wrote: »

But the venues and teams are linked. In the example you give, youve Spain and Italy in the same group. That just isnt going to happen.

Teams aren't qualified yet.

Group A - Baku and Bucharest
Group B - Saint Petersburg and Amsterdam
Group C - Copenhagen and Rome
Group D - London and Glasgow
Group E - Bilbao and Budapest
Group F - Munich and Dublin

FCIM

yabadabado wrote: »

With the spread of cities it was always gonna be an issue.I would have preferred if they had maybe looked at it over 2 finals.Give it to countries that will never host a competition but divide it up maybe east and west over 2020 and 2024.Baku,Buarest and St Petersburg could then be in the eastern side.

2020

Group A Torshavn and Reykjavik
Group B Vaduz and Monaco
Group C Andorra La Vella and Luxembourg City
Group D Serravalle and the Vatican
Group E Valletta and Dublin
Group F Cardiff and Glasgow

2024

Group A Riga and Vilnius
Group B Tallinn and Helsinki
Group C Baku and Astana
Group D Yerevan and Tel Aviv
Group E Skopje and Nicosia
Group F Chisinau and Minsk

Would be romantic giving countries which will genuinely never host a tournament a chance but UEFA wouldn't go for it on account of finance.

yabadabado

Thats rimming it .The Vatican

Countries similar to Ireland could put on a very good show for 3 or 4 games just make sure there is the 80k stadium and accomodation for the later rounds.

bren2001

FCIM wrote: »

Teams aren't qualified yet.

Group A - Baku and Bucharest
Group B - Saint Petersburg and Amsterdam
Group C - Copenhagen and Rome
Group D - London and Glasgow
Group E - Bilbao and Budapest
Group F - Munich and Dublin

Has qualification for Euro 2020 not been done yet? Obviously nobody has qualified but its also pretty darn obvious what my point is! They have effectively seeded the draw into two pots and you seemingly are just deciding to ignore this when selecting cities. You would expect all 6 pot 1 teams to easily qualify (Holland, maybe maybe not). The system is so biasedly rigged in their favour with the Nations League.

Pot 1: Italy, Russia, Holland, England, Spain, Germay
Pot 2: Azerbaijan, Denmark, Romania, Scotland, Ireland, Hungary

When you look at it that way, its clear enough why they selected it the way they did. Theres no mental journey there. Unfortunately, getting to Baku is hard for everyone.

ArmaniJeanss

FCIM wrote: »

It's not the teams I'm talking about it's the venues.

I doubt it was completely random e.g., Baku or St Petersburg was never going to be paired with Dublin. Probably just 'random' within defined geographical and seeding constraints so that each venue had 2 or 3 other venues it could be drawn with.
Baku was always going to be problematic as no near neighbour was selected to be a host.

FCIM

bren2001 wrote: »

Has qualification for Euro 2020 not been done yet? Obviously nobody has qualified but its also pretty darn obvious what my point is! They have effectively seeded the draw into two pots and you seemingly are just deciding to ignore this when selecting cities. You would expect all 6 pot 1 teams to easily qualify (Holland, maybe maybe not). The system is so biasedly rigged in their favour with the Nations League.

Pot 1: Italy, Russia, Holland, England, Spain, Germay
Pot 2: Azerbaijan, Denmark, Romania, Scotland, Ireland, Hungary

When you look at it that way, its clear enough why they selected it the way they did. Theres no mental journey there. Unfortunately, getting to Baku is hard for everyone.

No need to be smart, you can see by the altered pairing suggestions I made that I knew what you were getting at. Russia in pot one doesn't make sense as they aren't and haven't been in decades a top team so mixing them with a real top team shouldn't matter. Anyway, all I'm saying is given Baku is so far away collocating it with the nearest other venue would have made more sense if UEFA wanted to insist on holding games there.

bren2001

FCIM wrote: »

No need to be smart, you can see by the altered pairing suggestions I made that I knew what you were getting at. Russia in pot one doesn't make sense as they aren't and haven't been in decades a top team so mixing them with a real top team shouldn't matter. Anyway, all I'm saying is given Baku is so far away collocating it with the nearest other venue would have made more sense if UEFA wanted to insist on holding games there.

Going off the Uefa Nations League rankings, they took the top 6 teams. Thats why Russia are in pot 1. I'm not really sure what you wanted them to do, they were going to seed this (if your issue is with this, thats different), based off the seedings, they picked relatively close cities. The fact Baku was selected in the first place was bonkers.

My question is what happens if, for example, Denmark and Russia both qualify and end up in the same seedings category? They both have to be in the same group, how will they get around that one?

FCIM

bren2001 wrote: »

Going off the Uefa Nations League rankings, they took the top 6 teams. Thats why Russia are in pot 1. I'm not really sure what you wanted them to do, they were going to seed this (if your issue is with this, thats different), based off the seedings, they picked relatively close cities. The fact Baku was selected in the first place was bonkers.

My question is what happens if, for example, Denmark and Russia both qualify and end up in the same seedings category? They both have to be in the same group, how will they get around that one?

Probably the problem lies in picking Baku in the first place as you said. I think UEFA could have been wiser in having a pan-European hosted tournament and should have gone with perhaps 2020 Western Europe, 2024 Eastern Europe as another poster suggested. Deciding to go with Baku, they were always creating a problem and even if Baku had been matched with Bucharest I think that still would have been a stretch. My point though is having chosen Baku, Baku should have been collocated with the nearest other venue. Possibly also the case for St. Petersburg. I think they've overstretched it and there's going to be problems be that tired teams or empty stadia.

citytillidie

With months left to the Draw in Dublin UEFA have announced that Germany will host Euro 2024

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45666950

yabadabado

Good to see Germany get it.
Best option.

ebbsy

I would bet that the host country is always the one that Uefa and Fifa want, especially in financial terms.

The likes of Turkey and Morocco never had a chance.

citytillidie

So why is the Nations League important?

Well here is why, Pots for Euro 2020 Qualifying will be based on your league Rankings from the nations league.

So there will be 7 pots. 10 Groups 5 with 5 teams (A-E) and 5 with 6 teams (F-J)

UNL Pot - Final four in the nations league
Pot 1 - Teams 5-10 in overall rankings
Pot 2 - Teams 11-20 in overall rankings
Pot 3 - Teams 21-30 in overall rankings
Pot 4 - Teams 31-40 in overall rankings
Pot 5 - Teams 41-50 in overall rankings
Pot 6 - Teams 51-55 in overall rankings

Those teams in UNL Pot will be drawn into Qualifying groups A-D, so they only play 8 Qualifying games and can compete in the Nations League Finals.

To give the host nations (Azerbaijan, Denmark, England, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, Romania, Russia, Scotland and Spain) a chance of Qualifying as winners or runners-up a max of two can be drawn into a group.

Armenia /Azerbaijan, Gibralter/Spain, Kosovo/Bosina, Kosoco/Serbia and Ukraine/Russia can not be drawn into the same group

Max of two teams from Belarus, Estonia, Faroe Islands, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Russia and Ukraine can be in the same group because of winter conditions.

There is also an excessive travel for Azerbaijan, Iceland and Kazakhstan.
Azerbaijan can only have one from Gibraltar, Iceland or Portugal in their group if drawn against any

Iceland can only have one from Armenia, Cyprus, Georgia and Israel.

Kazakhstan can only have one from Andorra, England, France, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Iceland, Malta, Northern Ireland, Portugal, Ireland, Scotland, Spain and Wales.

Pots as it stand
UNL Pot
France
Spain
Belgium
Portugal

Pot 1
Switzerland
England
Italy
Netherlands
Poland
Germany

Pot 2
Croatia
Iceland
Bosnia
Ukraine
Russia
Wales
Denmark
Austria
Czech Republic
Turkey

Pot 3
Sweden
Ireland
Slovakia
Northern Ireland
Finland
Israel
Norway
Serbia
Bulgaria
Scotland


Pot 4
Greece
Montenegro
Romania
Hungary
Albania
Cyprus
Slovenia
Estonia
Lithuania
Georgia


Pot 5
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Kosovo
Belarus
Azerbaijan
Gibraltar
Kazakhstan
Armenia
Moldova
Faroe Islands

Pot 6
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Malta
Andorra
San Marino

Dearg81

ebbsy wrote:

The likes of Turkey and Morocco never had a chance.

I'd imagine not being in Europe or UEFA slightly hampered Moroccos chances!

Cake Man

A group of Switzerland, Czech, Ireland, Luxembourg, Faroe Islands and San Marino please...although I still wouldn’t be confident. Is there any restrictions on drawing Wales or Denmark? Sick of playing them both tbh so hope we can’t get them again.

greendom

Is there any danger (chance) of Germany dropping to pot 2?

citytillidie

greendom wrote: »

Is there any danger (chance) of Germany dropping to pot 2?

Germany have one game left, Croatia have 2 games left so yes there is a chance

citytillidie

2020 Pots
UNL Pot
Switzerland
Portugal
Netherlands
England

Pot 1
Belgium
France
Spain
Italy
Croatia
Poland

Pot 2
Germany
Austria
Iceland
Bosina and Herzegovina
Ukraine
Denmark
Sweden
Russia
Wales
Czech Republic

Pot 3
Slovakia
Turkey
Ireland
Northern Ireland
Scotland
Norway
Serbia
Finland
Bulgaria
Israel

Pot 4
Hungary
Romania
Greece
Albania
Montenegro
Cyprus
Estonia
Slovenia
Lithuania
Georgia

Pot 5
Macedonia
Kosovo
Belarus
Luxembourg
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Kazakhstan
Moldova
Gibraltar
Faroe Islands

Pot 6
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Andorra
Malta
San Marino

Mr.Nice Guy

That'll do nicely

Poland
Czech Republic
Ireland
Estonia
Gibraltar
San Marino


Oh ffs no

France
Germany
Ireland
Romania
Kosovo
Latvia

Ferris_Bueller

Some contrast between those two groups. God love whoever gets Germany as a second seed.

Kidchameleon

We are useless whoever we get. Delaney out.

ArmaniJeanss

There can only be two hosts in each qualifying group so that somewhat reduces our chances of getting Germany.

Hosts are in these pots.

Italy(1), Netherlands(1), England(1), Spain(1).
Denmark(2), Germany(2), Russia(2).
Republic of Ireland(3), Scotland(3).
Romania(4), Hungary(4).
Azerbaijan(pot 5).

Draw order could be interesting. usually they work backwards from 6 to 1. If so we'd presumably hope to get in a group early with Hungary or Azeri which would insta remove lots of bad outcomes.
Conversely if they go 1 to 6 we could really do with Germany being in with one of the hosts from pot 1 meaning we couldn't be in there also.

PTH2009

Prob draw Georgia again

Can also see us get Germany and Croatia

Bowlardo

It sad to say that the most I am hoping for is a good away trip from this draw

Laois_Man

Correct me if I'm wrong - we have a better chance of qualifying if we get one of the 4 teams in the UCL group, right?

I actually wouldn't mind getting England - at least you know our players will fight against them!

Hoping for no Denmark or Wales - sick of em! And we've had our fair share of Germany over the last while too!

recyclebin

If Ireland and Spain qualify does that mean we have to be in Group E in Euro2020?

They have made qualifying so convoluted!!!!

A mathematician with a doctorate in permutations must have come up with it.

recyclebin

So if we don't qualify directly, then we need a minimum of 16 of the 24 teams from league a and league b to qualify so that we get into a playoff?

ArmaniJeanss

recyclebin wrote: »

If Ireland and Spain qualify does that mean we have to be in Group E in Euro2020?

They have made qualifying so convoluted!!!!

A mathematician with a doctorate in permutations must have come up with it.

Yes, we'll both be Group E and a coin toss will decide whether our game v Spain is in Dublin or Bilbao with the other game in the group being in the other venue.

It is quite complicated this time, loads of extra stuff in it (even geographical splitting in the qualifiers to prevent teams having more than one trip to the other end of Europe). I'm a nerd though so find it fascinating.

ebbsy

recyclebin wrote: »

So if we don't qualify directly, then we need a minimum of 16 of the 24 teams from league a and league b to qualify so that we get into a playoff?

I d'ont know bud but I am going to cling on to this hope.

recyclebin

Good article here to explain it:
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news/newsid=2581807.html

In theory we could lose all our qualifying group games and still get a playoff if enough teams above us in the league of nations qualify directly. What we do from now on has no bearing on us getting a playoff.

ebbsy

recyclebin wrote: »

Good article here to explain it:
https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/news/newsid=2581807.html

Does what you say bud mean even if we finish bottom of our group we may well get a playoff place.

(Head explodes)

Zebra3

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Yes, we'll both be Group E and a coin toss will decide whether our game v Spain is in Dublin or Bilbao with the other game in the group being in the other venue.

It is quite complicated this time, loads of extra stuff in it (even geographical splitting in the qualifiers to prevent teams having more than one trip to the other end of Europe). I'm a nerd though so find it fascinating.

I thought if both qualified Spain got three home group games.

Stephen15

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

That'll do nicely

Poland
Czech Republic
Ireland
Estonia
Gibraltar
San Marino


Oh ffs no

France
Germany
Ireland
Romania
Kosovo
Latvia

It'll do (could be better could be worse)

Italy
Iceland
Ireland
Hungary
Armenia
Malta