Man pushed under Dublin Bus and decapitated

Gummy Panda

RacoonQueen wrote: »

That RTÉ article today, describing the people he was arguing with made me think maybe he was being mugged by that gang the media are always harping on about. Really wish I hadn't read that link to the indo article.

Poor bus driver, poor witnesses, poor guy.

Horrible story. Horrible.

What gang is this?

MagicSean

bing3 wrote: »

I dont think you need to be a shrink to observe that getting a "..strange adrenaline rush.." after witnessing such a traumatic event, is not a typical reaction.
My condolences to any bystanders to have come across this.

Yes it is a typical reaction for many people.

MagicSean

Mental Mickey wrote: »

How do you know he didn't suffer???? He was hit by a great big f***ing bus. Mis-informed post imo.

If you'd read the description of the body you'd see there was no way he could have suffered.

wonderfullife

I worry about the morality of our nation at times. Boards is just a reflection of it.

We have threads where drug dealers are killed with comments like "good riddance" or "serves them right, scum".

We have threads like this where some people think if it was a junkie then it's not too bad, move on, but if it was a student on way home it's horrific.

Then we have the faux outrage at people taking a picture on their camera phones yet image after image of barely cold dead bodies cover our news daily from Palestine, Iraq and elsewhere and we don't seem to blink twice.

We are outraged by Guards knocking off penalty points for celebs yet if any of us knew a Guard who could get us off 4 points he'd be a legend due a few pints!

At the end of the day, somebody has lost their life here and a great many people affected. I feel sorry for the deceased, the bus driver, the many people on Nassau Street who will have witnessed it, even for the 2 guys who are alleged to have pushed the man. Bottom line if 3 people get into a heated dispute that involves a bit of pushing and shoving , 99.9% of the time it doesn't end in such horror and it's not right for us to quickly jump to sweeping conclusions. A sad day for the city and, as seems usual, the reaction on here matches it.

RacoonQueen

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What gang is this?

Watch RTÉ news. They harp on about some gang of kids who are in HSE care who are going around town terrorising everyone, robbing phones and beating people up.

Not what this thread is about but sure there's plenty of talk of this supposed gang on google and boards if you are that curious.

Odysseus

bing3 wrote: »

I dont think you need to be a shrink to observe that getting a "..strange adrenaline rush.." after witnessing such a traumatic event, is not a typical reaction.
My condolences to any bystanders to have come across this.

It is pretty basic stuff, there is no set reaction, really any reaction is normal because you are dealing with a abnormal event. It the first thing a critical incident team will be saying to those affected by this event.

Just because his reaction is not the same as your reaction; it does not mean it is any less valid.

Thankfully Dublin bus looks after their staff when a fatality has occurred. I don't know what with happen for the poor witnesses though.

Lollipops23

Bambi wrote: »

They need to do something about that junction & pedestrian island it's a model for this type of scenario, way too small for the volume of pedestrians and traffic.

I'm pretty sure Billy Connolly did a skit about it in one of his shows-how difficult it is to navigate that island as a pedestrian etc.

However, it does sound like it could have happened anywhere in the city of the man was pushed/punched. Perhaps it was just an argument that got out of hand and went terribly wrong (my non-cynical side is hoping that's the case and nothing more sinister).

Hope the man's family are notified soon, what a horrible thing to have to inform them of so near Xmas.

Halloween Jack

wonderfullife wrote: »

I worry about the morality of our nation at times. Boards is just a reflection of it.

We have threads where drug dealers are killed with comments like "good riddance" or "serves them right, scum".

We have threads like this where some people think if it was a junkie then it's not too bad, move on, but if it was a student on way home it's horrific.

Then we have the faux outrage at people taking a picture on their camera phones yet image after image of barely cold dead bodies cover our news daily from Palestine, Iraq and elsewhere and we don't seem to blink twice.

We are outraged by Guards knocking off penalty points for celebs yet if any of us knew a Guard who could get us off 4 points he'd be a legend due a few pints!

At the end of the day, somebody has lost their life here and a great many people affected. I feel sorry for the deceased, the bus driver, the many people on Nassau Street who will have witnessed it, even for the 2 guys who are alleged to have pushed the man. Bottom line if 3 people get into a heated dispute that involves a bit of pushing and shoving , 99.9% of the time it doesn't end in such horror and it's not right for us to quickly jump to sweeping conclusions. A sad day for the city and, as seems usual, the reaction on here matches it.

Top, top, post. We need to take a long, hard look at ourselves.

Ash.J.Williams

our media is as bad as mauritius

MagicSean

The pictures that have appeared on papers following recent gangland shootings have been pretty morbid. Personally I don't buy papers any more. I think the term rag is too good for them. Hopefully they won't try print one of the more gorey photos of this incident.

Death and Taxes

bing3 wrote: »

I dont think you need to be a shrink to observe that getting a "..strange adrenaline rush.." after witnessing such a traumatic event, is not a typical reaction.
My condolences to any bystanders to have come across this.

Faced with a sudden and traumatic incident it would not be abnormal for the body to release adrenaline, thus the "fight or flight" feeling often suffered just after a near miss in a car or suddent shock.

Mental Mickey

wonderfullife wrote: »

I worry about the morality of our nation at times. Boards is just a reflection of it.

We have threads where drug dealers are killed with comments like "good riddance" or "serves them right, scum".

We have threads like this where some people think if it was a junkie then it's not too bad, move on, but if it was a student on way home it's horrific.

Then we have the faux outrage at people taking a picture on their camera phones yet image after image of barely cold dead bodies cover our news daily from Palestine, Iraq and elsewhere and we don't seem to blink twice.

We are outraged by Guards knocking off penalty points for celebs yet if any of us knew a Guard who could get us off 4 points he'd be a legend due a few pints!

At the end of the day, somebody has lost their life here and a great many people affected. I feel sorry for the deceased, the bus driver, the many people on Nassau Street who will have witnessed it, even for the 2 guys who are alleged to have pushed the man. Bottom line if 3 people get into a heated dispute that involves a bit of pushing and shoving , 99.9% of the time it doesn't end in such horror and it's not right for us to quickly jump to sweeping conclusions. A sad day for the city and, as seems usual, the reaction on here matches it.

Completely agree. But then, it was allowed to be discussed on here.

Rasmus

Bambi wrote: »

They need to do something about that junction & pedestrian island it's a model for this type of scenario, way too small for the volume of pedestrians and traffic.

I can't believe that more accidents don't happen here. The swell of the crowd at the lights almost pushes people onto the street, and the buses take the turn without much pause. It is really dangerous.

Sunnyisland

Unfortunately People want to see gore and death, who it was and whose fault it was, and the media play into that.

WindSock

I'd say bit of a difference with casualties of war pics in far off places to a horrific and gorey accident in the busiest time of year in the busiest part of the city with lots of families, students, and Christmas shoppers out witnessing it.
Also, most people on this thread are expressing their grief and dismay.

Mental Mickey

MagicSean wrote: »

If you'd read the description of the body you'd see there was no way he could have suffered.

He was hit by a f**king double decker bus. How could you not suffer??

WindSock

Mental Mickey wrote: »

He was hit by a f**king double decker bus. How could you not suffer??

Probably because it was fairly instant.

Mental Mickey

WindSock wrote: »

Probably because it was fairly instant.

Hmmmm........I beg to differ.

WindSock

Really? I'm sure it was by all reports. It wasn't a slow and agonising death.

WindSock

Also re: junky
I don't think it's a case of people saying they don't care if it is. More a case of it being: we all know a man in his 20's. It could have been half the people I know in town at that time...but how many of us know junkies and/or homeless men in their 20's?
Its horrible to happen to anyone of course but most people will be wondering if the knew the man too.

seamus

WindSock wrote: »

Probably because it was fairly instant.

That's probably about the only optimistic thing in this whole story.

I remember seeing Billy Connolly in the Olympia probably 15 years ago at this stage, and he did a great skit about getting "stuck" on the island in the middle of this junction, while people were coming up to him and saying hi, then somehow disappearing across the road between the traffic while he stood terrified by the busses whizzing past him.

I don't think traffic moves particularly quickly along here, but it's a nexus point both for pedestrians and traffic. I'm not sure why it hasn't been tackled sooner. It would make more logical sense to remove the island altogether and replace it with narrow concrete barriers (yellow), just to divide and direct the traffic. This would give all of the lanes a lot more space. Then you have pedestrian crossings at all three points on the junction (blue), going straight across the road, and you install pedestrian barriers to stop people walking into the middle of this junction (red).

Odysseus

WindSock wrote: »

Also re: junky
I don't think it's a case of people saying they don't care if it is. More a case of it being: we all know a man in his 20's. It could have been half the people I know in town at that time...but how many of us know junkies and/or homeless men in their 20's?
Its horrible to happen to anyone of course but most people will be wondering if the knew the man too.

I think maybe we should have this discussion on another thread [even though I am posting here], but that was not what I seen posted in this and other threads.

I know literally hundreds of addicts, junkie is such a pejorative word.

Gongoozler

As much as I'm disgusted by the people taking photos, I think there's a fairly simple explanation for it - Aren't there lots of people after coming in here to say they were there, or they would've been there only for blablabla? It's a pretty similar mind set, it's so you can be centre of attention. Anyone who took a photo was probably thinking ooh I can put this up on FB (and got lots of people talking about it). After all, how many people do you see walking around constantly with phone in hand, presumably hooked up to social media for most of it. Social media / instant sharing has become so engrained into our daily lives, I think this is one way it's manifesting itself.

So if you're waiting to jump in and say I was there, here's my opinion and what I saw etc, it's out of attention seeking at least in part. People want to be the first to say I knew about that...I was there...here's something that I have that no one else has.

I don't mean this as a criticism btw, I mean it just as an explanation of people/society as it currently is.

RikkFlair

seamus wrote: »

I remember seeing Billy Connolly in the Olympia probably 15 years ago at this stage, and he did a great skit about getting "stuck" on the island in the middle of this junction, while people were coming up to him and saying hi, then somehow disappearing across the road between the traffic while he stood terrified by the busses whizzing past him.

Yeah its on his Live 2002 DVD. Not being from Dublin I often wondered where exactly he was on about, now sadly I know for sure

Horrific thing for people to witness.

WindSock

Odysseus wrote: »

I think maybe we should have this discussion on another thread [even though I am posting here], but that was not what I seen posted in this and other threads.

I know literally hundreds of addicts, junkie is such a pejorative word.

You do because you work with a lot of drug addicts. But most people don't, therefore there is a less chance of people knowing who the man was if he were an addict on the street.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

It happens at a lot of junctions, I purposely stand away from the edge of the paths due to it. Being a foot closer to the road doesn't get you across any quicker when waiting for the lights to change. The problem there is Irish Mentality of "I've got to be first" all the damn time. If the victim wasn't forced onto the road (by whatever means pushed/punched/dodging), this junction would not be questioned as much by all of us here last night/today.

Someone has to be at the front. I always try to stand back away from the kerb, but when it's busy and people are pushing, you get forced further forward than you want to be.

Regarding people complaining about those with camera's/camera phones taking pictures, it's not intended by them to be indecent, inhumane or to be disrespectful towards the victim. Ask them why they did it and they'd be fairly stumped to give you an answer. An action is not ill-thought when there was no thought behind it.

I agree, but it's still sick. It's sick that so many people seem to think it's totally fine to take pictures of dead people and horrific accidents. They don't stop to ask themselves why on earth it's necessary or how it might make a relative of the deceased feel, they don't wonder if it's appropriate to have such a picture on their phone or upload it on Twitter....a lot of people just seem to have completely lost the ability to think, lost all traces of common sense and normal human reactions. I find it absolutely terrifying that people are so oblivious.

padski08

Ive seen some videos of reporting on this incident and have noticed that one of my mates is in the video

He is Garda based in Pearse St, I can only imagine the scene he had to come across, the Gardai get hard time alot of the time but they have to deal with this so the public dont have to

RIP to the man involved but my heart goes out to all who witnessed this and the innocent bystanders caught up in this

GastroBoy

dd972 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gardai-hunt-for-pair-after-man-dies-under-dublin-bus-3318302.html

This is mad sh*t, glad I didn't witness it, think the Indo should have spared the gory details though, what about the family / friends of the victim

And your thread title did??

Extremely unfortunate incident, poor man and poor bus driver.

Calibos

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Hmmmm........I beg to differ.

You do understand the difference between crush injuries to the extremities that leave the central nervous system intact and capable of processing pain and instantaneous crush injuries to the brain and the central nervous system itself??

MagicSean

Gongoozler wrote: »

As much as I'm disgusted by the people taking photos, I think there's a fairly simple explanation for it - Aren't there lots of people after coming in here to say they were there, or they would've been there only for blablabla? It's a pretty similar mind set, it's so you can be centre of attention. Anyone who took a photo was probably thinking ooh I can put this up on FB (and got lots of people talking about it). After all, how many people do you see walking around constantly with phone in hand, presumably hooked up to social media for most of it. Social media / instant sharing has become so engrained into our daily lives, I think this is one way it's manifesting itself.

So if you're waiting to jump in and say I was there, here's my opinion and what I saw etc, it's out of attention seeking at least in part. People want to be the first to say I knew about that...I was there...here's something that I have that no one else has.

I don't mean this as a criticism btw, I mean it just as an explanation of people/society as it currently is.

Talking about what you saw can be therapeutic. Taking a photo of it to show around is not.