Man pushed under Dublin Bus and decapitated

folamh

Mental Mickey wrote: »

FFS if it was someone you knew, you would've heard by now? Think before you post!

Not necessarily. I would be less likely to have heard about it if it were someone I only vaguely knew, but I'd still like to know. I did think before I posted - I searched the thread as well as google news. No need for that comment.

face1990

smash wrote: »

That is considered decapitation.

Jesus christ... The poster came here to thank people for their sympathy and you respond with a nit-picking, know-it-all, anally-retentive, 'well actually...' response. Not needed.

I heard somewhere, I think on RTE, that the guy who was arrested was currently residing in a hostel. That, combined with the lack of id on the deceased and difficulty in identifying him, would suggest to me that he was probably homeless. May take a while to identify him.
I hope he didn't have children.

tcjpmcd

Sad to see that happen to someone so young that may have made some change in the world at some point... And it must have been devastating to be at the incident and see it happen so my thoughts go out to the man, his family and friends and the people that seen it.

Iorana

This accident should actually drive city authorities into a different direction. I imagine that since Ireland had such a big immigration in the past 20 years the population of Dublin must have doubled. Walking a city centre in busy hours is like struggling for surviving. Should the city centre not be closed for the traffic to make a city a european style place with shops and cafes where people could safely walk? It would make Dublin much more enjoyable place to live? I come from a country where 100.00 inhabitant towns have city centre zones closed to traffic. And Dawson St seems like a perfect place to be reverted this way.
What do you think?

TeddyTedson

I've seen someone get knocked down and I was even weirded out by that, and they survived. I can't imagine, and don't even want to give any thought to what happened here, but the thought of the poster above describing his head as "exploding" just makes the mental image even more gruesome.
Condolences to the friends and family.
Hopefully everyone who witnessed it is able to cope with it too.
RIP to the victim, as someone else said, nobody deserves to die like that.

SmithsFan

As a F/F and Paramedic I have read this thread with interest. I wasn't at this scene last night but have been to similar one's in the past. One involving a train springs to mind.
Everyone deals with seeing such incidents in a different way. And in response to some other posts, there is no training for this type of thing. You can google all sorts of gory images if you like but until you are actually presented with such a scene, you really have no way of knowing how you might react. I recall the evening before my first day in work I was petrified. I had never, ever seen a dead body before in my life, even at a family funeral where everything is serene and staged. So the prospects of seeing all sorts of gory things really freaked me out.
I feel sorry for anyone that witnessed this scene yesterday and in particular the bus driver. At the train incident I was at I can still recall the driver of the train being practically catatonic after the incident.
The compliments to the emergency services in some other posts are appreciated. To use the words of an older friend that prepped me before I started in the job when I asked how one deals with such scenes he simply replied "that's what you're paid to do". And that's how I see it. I have seen things I will never forget and if I never see them again well and good, but I know I will see plenty more. There are images I will never forget and maybe underneath it all these incidents are gnawing away at me, but for now they don't keep me awake at night.
As for those that have posted insensitively it's just the usual trolling and I'm surprised in this day and age that people still react to it.

greenheart

tcjpmcd wrote: »

Sad to see that happen to someone so young that may have made some change in the world at some point... And it must have been devastating to be at the incident and see it happen so my thoughts go out to the man, his family and friends and the people that seen it.

So True. A lot of people are so quick to write these people off but an addict that has the strength to turn their life around could end up helping/supporting hundreds of others down the line and really make a difference.

Stheno

greenheart wrote: »

So True. A lot of people are so quick to write these people off but an addict that has the strength to turn their life around could end up helping/supporting hundreds of others down the line and really make a difference.

Nobody yet knows who or what the unfortunate victim was.

Speculating on it doesn't change the fact that a person lost their life in an horrific manner yesterday.

strandroad

Iorana wrote: »

This accident should actually drive city authorities into a different direction. I imagine that since Ireland had such a big immigration in the past 20 years the population of Dublin must have doubled. Walking a city centre in busy hours is like struggling for surviving. Should the city centre not be closed for the traffic to make a city a european style place with shops and cafes where people could safely walk? It would make Dublin much more enjoyable place to live? I come from a country where 100.00 inhabitant towns have city centre zones closed to traffic. And Dawson St seems like a perfect place to be reverted this way.
What do you think?

There are indeed plans to turn College Green into a plaza and to prioritise pedestrian/cycling traffic in this area and exactly for this reason; it becomes impossible to allow vehicles and pedestrians mingle like that. Numerous times I saw a crowd of pedestrians swelling around traffic lights so much that they can't all cross in allocated time; or if they cross there is no space on the footpath opposite. And I don't even work in the city centre so rush hours must be much worse.

Whether these plans will come to fruition is another thing.

greenheart

Stheno wrote: »

Nobody yet knows who or what the unfortunate victim was.

Speculating on it doesn't change the fact that a person lost their life in an horrific manner yesterday.

I'm not talking about the victim, I'm talking about in general.
But your right wrong place, wrong thread to be bringing this up.

Dude111

Poor guy,i truly feel bad for him.....

Tmeos

As I mentione I came upon the scene last nightl be a couple of minutes after it happened. I've refrained from talking to IRL people about it because I just don't want to describe what I saw.

Emotionally I'm fine, I understand that these thing happen and horrible as it is its part of life but I'm so stuck with the visual image of it. That poor guy is in my mind all the time, I'd love to erase it.

Any ideas on how to stop seeing it?

Thoughts w him, his family and the poor driver. Horrendous .

Aciiiiiiiiiiid

chef wrote: »

Was recently on a first aid course with a paramedic as tutor.
He actually said you would be surprised how many mobile phones his colleagues and Firemen etc have actually thrown in the river liffey when on a callout to these incidents.
And its from all walks of life, men, women,scobes, passersby with phones.

Fair play to them I say, was delighted when he told us thats what they do.

Lmao. This doesn't happen and never has.

Aciiiiiiiiiiid

Tmeos wrote: »

As I mentione I came upon the scene last nightl be a couple of minutes after it happened. I've refrained from talking to IRL people about it because I just don't want to describe what I saw.

Emotionally I'm fine, I understand that these thing happen and horrible as it is its part of life but I'm so stuck with the visual image of it. That poor guy is in my mind all the time, I'd love to erase it.

Any ideas on how to stop seeing it?

Thoughts w him, his family and the poor driver. Horrendous .

There's 2 ways one of which is a little controversial. The first is seek counselling from a psychologist and explain what exactly happened, the second is to try slowly desensitize yourself to the brutality of the world by whatever means necessary.

Corruptedmorals

Tmeos wrote: »

As I mentione I came upon the scene last nightl be a couple of minutes after it happened. I've refrained from talking to IRL people about it because I just don't want to describe what I saw.

Emotionally I'm fine, I understand that these thing happen and horrible as it is its part of life but I'm so stuck with the visual image of it. That poor guy is in my mind all the time, I'd love to erase it.

Any ideas on how to stop seeing it?

Thoughts w him, his family and the poor driver. Horrendous .

If you're not okay with talking about it, what about writing it down? Speaking to a professional could be very healing. Wishing you the best with this.

Daithi 1

Jonny Drama wrote: »

That's exactly what they're going to do. People nowadays will put up anything on Facebook/Twitter for attention!

Like a deeply upsetting thread where a guy gets decapitated by a bus ?

kumate_champ07

Aciiiiiiiiiiid wrote: »

There's 2 ways one of which is a little controversial. The first is seek counselling from a psychologist and explain what exactly happened, the second is to try slowly desensitize yourself to the brutality of the world by whatever means necessary.

terrible advice


it will take time for the shock to go away

TeddyTedson

I believe you can joke about anything. But timing is a key issue for me. I'm sure most of us have witnessed the likes of the **** jokes that go around after a tragic incident that get pity laughs in a pub (the McCann jokes come to mind), that are just too soon. Comedians who use that method are lazy in my opinion. I'm not one to get offended, ever if I'm honest. But this is a very public forum and at the best of times I try to say things that I'd say around anyone I know, no matter who they are. There are better and more entertaining things to joke about. This is one of those awful unfortunate things in life that happens. If you give a couple of seconds thought that possibly friends, family or anyone that knew the victim could possibly be reading this, would it seem in any way appropriate to joke about it. No. Not try to be a buzz killer to people wanting to be online comedians, but seriously, there are a lot better things to joke about out there, than some unfortunate person being killed by being pushed under a bus.

MagicSean

Tmeos wrote: »

As I mentione I came upon the scene last nightl be a couple of minutes after it happened. I've refrained from talking to IRL people about it because I just don't want to describe what I saw.

Emotionally I'm fine, I understand that these thing happen and horrible as it is its part of life but I'm so stuck with the visual image of it. That poor guy is in my mind all the time, I'd love to erase it.

Any ideas on how to stop seeing it?

Thoughts w him, his family and the poor driver. Horrendous .

There are two ways ive found. You can try replace the memory and forget about it. I mean fill your head with new memories. Go out with some mates have a good time that kind of thing. It's a form of repressing the memory without directly trying to.

Or you can talk about it with people. Not everyone will want to hear about it but it helps to tell those that will listen. You can find support sites on the Internet or even call the Samaritans or SoSad if you would prefer to deal with someone anonymous.

Humour is another method but I wouldn't recommend it unless you are in an environment were people will understand what you are doing.

Vicar in a tutu

chef wrote: »

Firstly why would I lie
Secondly why would he lie.

FFS you cant even pass on a story your told by somone without this ****e.

This is what I was told, I passed it on. As ripley once said " Believe it or not"

i was actually told the same whilst doing a course. the guy was saying its very common for them to throw phones in the liffey etc. you have these people in such a vulnerable state and these lowlife scumbags don't give a **** as long as they've got their picture. hope the victim is identified soon. such a tragic accident.

somairle

Tmeos wrote: »

As I mentione I came upon the scene last nightl be a couple of minutes after it happened. I've refrained from talking to IRL people about it because I just don't want to describe what I saw.

Emotionally I'm fine, I understand that these thing happen and horrible as it is its part of life but I'm so stuck with the visual image of it. That poor guy is in my mind all the time, I'd love to erase it.

Any ideas on how to stop seeing it?

Thoughts w him, his family and the poor driver. Horrendous .

Not talking or about it or not dealing with it is the worst thing you can do. You have to come to terms with it otherwise it will jus manifest itself and end up defining you. It should get easier after the initial shock, but either way I would highly suggest professional help.

It might sound heartless of me but you have to think about what you saw as a distant memory, you can think about how the man didnt suffer, he wouldn't have known anything about it. Visualisations can help, in a couple of weeks when it's not so raw close your eyes think about the event, freeze the picture in your minds eye, then step out of your body and look at your frozen self looking on at the scene, drain all colour from the picture then push the picture off into the distance so it's a motionless colourless noiseless dot on the horizon. This helps you depersonalise yourself and the emotions from the event, you can repeat the process ever time the image pops into your head, and over time this should really help.

Someone else mentioned humour, this isn't a funny event, but it's the witnesses who are suffering not the poor man who met an instant death. Down the line joking about would really help you, again you have to watch who you are with. Joking about it although may seem insensitive is a natural human coping reaction.

Good luck

arybvtcw0eolkf

Tmeos wrote: »

Emotionally I'm fine, I understand that these thing happen and horrible as it is its part of life but I'm so stuck with the visual image of it. That poor guy is in my mind all the time, I'd love to erase it.

Any ideas on how to stop seeing it?

Let the memories come and dont' try hide from them.

The latest thoughts on Post Traumatic Stress is that your in 'fight, flight or freeze' mode.. Your brain freezes and doesn't store the moment as a normal memory as this allows the body to function.

Its thought now that instead of suppressing memories its better to let them come, deal with them and in time they become normal ~ and talk to a professional.

For what its worth I was talking to a professional who was at the scene and he said the lad can't have possibly felt a thing as death was instant.

Odysseus

Tmeos wrote: »

As I mentione I came upon the scene last nightl be a couple of minutes after it happened. I've refrained from talking to IRL people about it because I just don't want to describe what I saw.

Emotionally I'm fine, I understand that these thing happen and horrible as it is its part of life but I'm so stuck with the visual image of it. That poor guy is in my mind all the time, I'd love to erase it.

Any ideas on how to stop seeing it?

Thoughts w him, his family and the poor driver. Horrendous .

Yeah, you should find someone to process the incident with. You don't necessarily need therapy, more what is referred to as psychological first aid, it's a term that is used in CISM critical incident stress management. That is just a procedure set up for incidents like this.

It is a case of putting words on the images you seen, meeting with someone once or twice shpuld be enough in most cases.

Have you any type of access to a professional?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Odysseus wrote: »

Yeah, you should find someone to process the incident with. You don't necessarily need therapy, more what is referred to as psychological first aid, it's a term that is used in CISM critical incident stress management. That is just a procedure set up for incidents like this.

It is a case of putting words on the images you seen, meeting with someone once or twice shpuld be enough in most cases.

Have you any type of access to a profession?

Good advice.

I had counceling for things which happened in my job and I swear to God if I could turn back the clock I'd have called a complete halt at just a few meetings.. It got to the point with me that now matter what I said or done I couldn't convince them I'd dealt with things ~ and the more I dug in my heels the worse it got :mad:

"Soooo Mr.Makikomi why are you so aggressive now when Lebanon is mentioned" ~ gimme a bleed'n rope

Odysseus

Derrick Whining Specimen wrote: »

Good advice.

I had counceling for things which happened in my job and I swear to God if I could turn back the clock I'd have called a complete halt at just a few meetings.. It got to the point with me that now matter what I said or done I couldn't convince them I'd dealt with things ~ and the more I dug in my heels the worse it got :mad:

"Soooo Mr.Derrick Whining Specimen why are you so aggressive now when Lebanon is mentioned" ~ gimme a bleed'n rope

Well it really does depend on the person and it is subjective, but being exposed to a one off trauma like this should not require any in dept work. I used to be part of a CISS team in the HSE. However, due to cut-back we were disband even though we were volunteers so it was done as part of our day jobs.

Anyway, as I said it is described more as psychological first aid rather than any type of therapy as such. As far as I know they should have similar teams in your game, most such organisations do.

take everything

TeddyTedson wrote: »

I've seen someone get knocked down and I was even weirded out by that, and they survived. I can't imagine, and don't even want to give any thought to what happened here, but the thought of the poster above describing his head as "exploding" just makes the mental image even more gruesome.

Even reading it i find difficult.
Can't imagine what it was like at the scene.
Hope everyone can move on from it.
RIP to that poor guy.

I'm glad others have been taken seriously after witnessing something horrific. I remember a few years ago in London, I saw a guy get stabbed right in front of me. Had to jump out of the way to avoid his blood spilling out all over me, ran to get help...on auto pilot, I went to work (was running late at this point)...got there, white as a ghost, shaking, totally in shock and asked if another teacher could cover my class. My boss looked put out but said it was fine...the next day, he came into the staff room and gave me a grilling about why it was necessary to go home, made me feel like I was pathetic for not just being able to get on with things! He said, I quote, 'it's not as if you knew the guy'. FFS! How do people not understand the concept of being in shock?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Odysseus wrote: »

Anyway, as I said it is described more as psychological first aid rather than any type of therapy as such. As far as I know they should have similar teams in your game, most such organisations do.

In fairness these days we're very well looked after in that regard.

Frynge

Genesis Echoing Rucksack wrote: »

I'm glad others have been taken seriously after witnessing something horrific. I remember a few years ago in London, I saw a guy get stabbed right in front of me. Had to jump out of the way to avoid his blood spilling out all over me, ran to get help...on auto pilot, I went to work (was running late at this point)...got there, white as a ghost, shaking, totally in shock and asked if another teacher could cover my class. My boss looked put out but said it was fine...the next day, he came into the staff room and gave me a grilling about why it was necessary to go home, made me feel like I was pathetic for not just being able to get on with things! He said, I quote, 'it's not as if you knew the guy'. FFS! How do people not understand the concept of being in shock?

I do think that people's mind sets have changed (for the most part) and most of us would be more aware of how debilitating, shock can be to a person. Even though people deal with shock in different ways.

seamus

Frynge wrote: »

I do think that people's mind sets have changed (for the most part) and most of us would be more aware of how debilitating, shock can be to a person. Even though people deal with shock in different ways.

Indeed it is changing. It's the same attitude that meant depression and mental illness went ignored for so long; if you're not physically injured, then what are you bitching about?

Even the old adage, "Sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me" is a textbook example of society ignoring the impact of psychological damage.

latenia

Poor fellow has been identified according to RTE.

Carlos_Ray

Horrible way to go. Unfortunately I'm not surprised by the cause of the accident. I've seen a countless number of homeless and junkie skirmishes around Dublin City centre over the last few years. I've also seen some near misses when Junkies decide to walk out in front of traffic seemingly oblivious to what's going on around them.

Our society needs to re-evaluate how we deal with these people. We can't just leave them drinking, taking drugs, and fighting in our streets. It could very easily have been a little child or cyclist knocked under the bus in the scuffle. We should treat this tragedy as a wake up call or its just going to get worse.

james142

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Horrible way to go. Unfortunately I'm not surprised by the cause of the accident. I've seen a countless number of homeless and junkie skirmishes around Dublin City centre over the last few years. I've also seen some near misses when Junkies decide to walk out in front of traffic seemingly oblivious to what's going on around them.

Our society needs to re-evaluate how we deal with these people. We can't just leave them drinking, taking drugs, and fighting in our streets. It could very easily have been a little child or cyclist knocked under the bus in the scuffle. We should treat this tragedy as a wake up call or its just going to get worse.

Its one thing to sit back, complain and demand what should be done. Its another thing to actually get up off yer arse and actually do something.

somairle

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Horrible way to go. Unfortunately I'm not surprised by the cause of the accident. I've seen a countless number of homeless and junkie skirmishes around Dublin City centre over the last few years. I've also seen some near misses when Junkies decide to walk out in front of traffic seemingly oblivious to what's going on around them.

Our society needs to re-evaluate how we deal with these people. We can't just leave them drinking, taking drugs, and fighting in our streets. It could very easily have been a little child or cyclist knocked under the bus in the scuffle. We should treat this tragedy as a wake up call or its just going to get worse.

Totally agree, they are propped up with hostels & methadone without dealing with the problem, they jusy exist and wander the streets looking for a couple of euro. These people who fall through the cracks into addiction and homelessness need better, we need to admit what we are doing isn't working and find a solution.

Micky Dolenz

michellie wrote: »

Wtf

Please don't quote spam.

Lula.Pozza

face1990 wrote: »

Jesus christ... The poster came here to thank people for their sympathy and you respond with a nit-picking, know-it-all, anally-retentive, 'well actually...' response. Not needed.

I heard somewhere, I think on RTE, that the guy who was arrested was currently residing in a hostel. That, combined with the lack of id on the deceased and difficulty in identifying him, would suggest to me that he was probably homeless. May take a while to identify him.
I hope he didn't have children.

I believe that I cannot 'thank' your post until I have 10 posts, so thank you directly for this!

The victim has been identified and a man still in custody, my friend has been told she may have to testify. She is not sleeping or eating well and we have been suggesting that she undergo counselling but I am not sure she is keen on the idea. Hopefully she will be feel better about this horrible situation soon, again thank you to everyone for the support

Son_of_Belial

miamee wrote: »

Son_of_Belial, just catching up on posts from last night. I'm no expert but it is possible that you were in some kind of shock and that your brain hasn't really processed what you saw yet. I didn't read the spoilered part of your post, the rest was detailed enough to know that you saw everything close up and in detail. Take care of yourself and be aware that this might come back to you over the next day(s) or weeks.
It might not but just be careful.

Back on topic, I hope to God they can identify that young man so that his family are informed before they read or hear too much about it. RIP.

Yeah having some issues sleeping now...

WindSock

Son_of_Belial wrote: »

Yeah having some issues sleeping now...

Sorry to hear that, have you anyone you can talk to about it?

Son_of_Belial

Ah yeah a few - I'll be alright. Just one of those things... It kinda burns itself into your memory and it's really only when I stop and think "OK that was the end of a human life in that way" it makes me catch my breath a bit. It's an odd feeling. Thanks for the concern though - I appreciate it. I've been snapping myself out of it by thinking to myself "YOU'RE having trouble sleeping, that bus driver'll probably never sleep again".

Killer Wench

It's taken me days to finally open this thread. I can read some stories and not feel affected by it, but I used to run out of Trinity to catch my bus at this stop. With my anxiety disorder, I always imagined tripping on the curb and falling under a bus, so reading this story is like imprinting that image into my mind. I feel sorry for the family that lost a son, I feel horrible for the individuals at the bus stop and surrounding area, and I feel anger at the two punks who caused this man's death.

MrSing

Why did I read this at this time of the night?

Sunnyisland

THE distraught father of a man killed under a Dublin Bus believes his son was caught up in a row about money.

Eoghan Dudley (28), who died of horrific head injuries when he was allegedly pushed toward the bus, wasn't homeless and didn't drink, his family said.

Eoghan died almost immediately after he went under the 15-tonne vehicle at the junction of Dawson Street and Nassau Street in Dublin city centre.

Speaking to the Irish Independent, his father Seamus said there was no evidence that his son was intoxicated or had taken drugs at the time of his death.

Eoghan's family is from Rathfarnham in south Dublin.

His father admitted: "My son had his problems, but he was still human."

He believed that an altercation occurred when his son had been asked for money as he was walking along the street.

"He would have had no money except a couple of coins in his pocket," Seamus Dudley said.

Following the incident, it was widely reported that Eoghan might have been living on the street and that his death resulted from a dispute between homeless people.

However, Seamus said that this was not the case, and that his son Eoghan was not homeless and had moved into an apartment last year.

Seamus said he wanted to set the record straight and clarify misinformation about his son's death.

He said his son rarely drank and that the results of the postmortem examination showed he hadn't been drinking or taking drugs.

A man in his late 20s was last night being held in Pearse Street garda station following his arrest last Thursday.

Hundreds of commuters and shoppers were in the vicinity when the fatal collision happened last Thursday evening. It took place opposite Trinity College on Dublin's Nassau Street during rush hour.

Mr Dudley suffered horrendous head injuries, and a number of eye witnesses, including the bus driver, were treated for shock following the incident.

Witnesses said that there was a row between the victim and two other men which resulted in the appalling scene on Dawson Street.

Some of those who were close to the scene were visibly traumatised by the appalling nature of the man's death.

The driver had driven from Bray, Co Wicklow, on a busy route. He was heading towards Heuston station when, in a flash, the man ended up under his bus.

Mr Dudley added that he first believed that an unidentified man who had been decapitated in the bus incident was his son, from a description of his clothing which he read in this newspaper.

- Luke Byrne

Irish Independent

SEPT 23 1989

Some deaf and dumb kid has been arrested

is that correct?

joydivision

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Some deaf and dumb kid has been arrested

is that correct?

politically ? no
factually ? im not sure but makes for good reading .

Tabnabs

More here
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/1210/1224327684679.html

SEPT 23 1989

Edward Connors has been charged

joydivision

If deaf and mute surely hed have a problem with the whole gimme your money situation ?

Micky Dolenz

We'll have to leave it here folks.

This case is going to the courts.