Duchess of Cambridge Hospital Prank nurse commits suicide

Allyall

Everyone else on this thread, or anywhere else for that matter, is wrong, unless they agree with me.

Emeraldy Pebbles

wnolan1992 wrote: »

If Dara O'Briain or Tommy Tiernan or any one of a million other comedians took the piss out of someone in their audience (as they do on a nightly basis) and that person happened to commit suicide, would you be calling for them to not do their acts?

Terrible example, people in the audience of comedy shows know the score, someone on the receiving end of a crank call doesn't.

TheChizler

DDC1990 wrote: »

Do you really think they rang to gain access to medical records or medical information?
Seriously?

They rang to get a laugh from their listeners, by putting on the most rediculous accents they could.

"What time could I vist, because I am the Queen"
"Ok then I'll just feed my corgies"
"Charles Darling", "Yes Mummy".

If thats a criminal offence, then fúck me I don't want to live on this planet any more.

The woman had problems clearly. Its sad. But all this headhunting is rediculous.
For the record, I don't think it was funny. Terrible accents. Unoriginal idea. But to think that these guys would take any flack for a prank call, which essentially is their job, is a joke.

Also, whats with the wikipedia put down. This is an internet post, not a PHd submission. I was "quoting" from Wikipedia to give a few examples of prank calls that were more significant then this one, without the consequeces, to show that this isn't something that a woman should take her life over.

I'd agree mostly. Apart from being unfunny, the only thing I think they truly did wrong was not asking for permission to broadcast the call, that way they would have found out whether anyone had any issues with it.

norrie rugger

wnolan1992 wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with you here.

Prank phone-calls are made for radio shows every day. Mick Mulcahy has made people look 10 times worse on 96 and 103FM in his time, and it's entertaining. The call itself was funny to listen to.

You can't legislate for how people are going to react to it.

Completely different

96fm got permission, from the "victim" to air the call.
No private details, of a third party, were aired.
No professional careers were put in danger.
World media did not focus on the people.
Person involved was not subjected to potential disciplinary action.

Fr_Dougal

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

If hundreds of thousands did, it didn't reflect on their own website where the clip was up and the vid of their apology after the fact. For every 10 negative comments there was one positive.

Have a look at the Three forum, tons of complaints; in fact most of the threads are complaints. Does that mean that Three are sh1t and nobody uses them? No. It means that people will generally only post complaints, and not compliments.

username345

seamus wrote: »

Yes, I do.

Imagine they made a prank call to the someone high up in Google, asking him for his password, which he gave them.

Ignoring his own culpability, it would be plainly obvious to the guys making the call that everyone who allowed their call to go through, and the guy they talked, would lose their job.

Same thing here. By broadcasting this, a five year old would know that the first outcome is that the nurse would lose her job and would never work in the UK again.

If you had any skill in relation to secure computing, you would know that google would most likely enforce PKI authentication mechanisms, along with controlled access, along with Mandatory Access Control.

Do you have a clue what you are talking about, or do you just enjoy the sound of your own devils advocate voice too much? With over 40,000 posts, I am guessing the latter. No company worth their salt uses password authentication for for their production systems.

Secondly, what evidence do you present to assert "she would never find another job in the UK again"? Are you a judge? I wasn't aware Employers have the power to enforce legal decisions. If you had even a shred of evidence to back up your claims, but you don't. Ever heard of due process?

Lone Stone

thats tragic, two kids without a mother for Christmas and pregnancy marred with death all because of a prank call.

norrie rugger

Spiritual wrote: »

The fact she apparently committed suicide over this, was the hint for me. Strong minded people generally don't commit suicide.

That has to be the most moronic thing that I have ever read

Emeraldy Pebbles

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I have never found prank phone calls in any way funny

Plazaman wrote: »

It's one of the lowest common denominators of comedy, the prank call. I never have found any to be funny for some reason on any station at anytime. I104 do them all the time (Ijacker?) and on the offchance I hear them, I cringe. And I like funny but this ain't funny.

+ 1,000,000 to both of these. Crank calling is painfully unfunny and witless. It takes no comic nous to do them, it's just grown up schoolyard bully stuff. And any dumbass can be a schoolyard bully.

People say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. No. Sarcasm can be excellent and hilarious. Crank calling is the lowest form of wit, the bottom-feeding dregs.

Micky Dolenz

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Have a look at the Three forum, tons of complaints; in fact most of the threads are complaints. Does that mean that Three are sh1t and nobody uses them? No. It means that people will generally only post complaints, and not compliments.

Odd comparison. The 3 forum is basically a customer service tool. Do you expect someone to post "Great job guys, well done, great service"?

People are paying for a service and will generally only contact customer service if they have a problem.

Maybe comparing it to a youtube vid comments would be more comparable.

HeyThereDeliah

It started out as joke and I'm sure lots of people found it funny but pulling this stunt on the royal family was a little on the stupid side.
The lady in question must have been so upset over her mistake, i don't think the pranksters can be feeling to good about themselves now either.

http://www.google.ie/url?url=http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/kate-middleton-hoax-djs-not-returning-to-radio-show-3318952.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=_UjCUKrID9SzhAffs4DwCw&sqi=2&ved=0CEQQgBAoADAD&q=news&usg=AFQjCNGbJWIfiK5HJOzPlqoeQc_pDpmbmQ


http://www.google.ie/url?url=http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/prankster-djs-bombarded-with-online-abuse-3319011.html&rct=j&sa=X&ei=_UjCUKrID9SzhAffs4DwCw&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQgBAoADAD&q=news&usg=AFQjCNFyCQtVixe-j-_t2hIh_QqzHD6sZQ

norrie rugger

magma69 wrote: »

I think anyone of sound mind would find it trivial, which is my point.

Being humiliated globally and potentially losing your career is trivial?

Logical_Bear

fukking hell

Intensive Care Bear

Lone Stone wrote: »

thats tragic, two kids without a mother for Christmas and pregnancy marred with death all because of a prank call.

How do you know it was all because of a prank call? No one here has a clue what was going on in her life and no one will ever know the real reason/reason's why she done it, just like every other suicide.

norrie rugger

username345 wrote: »

If you had any skill in relation to secure computing, you would know that google would most likely enforce PKI authentication mechanisms, along with controlled access, along with Mandatory Access Control.

Do you have a clue what you are talking about, or do you just enjoy the sound of your own devils advocate voice too much? With over 40,000 posts, I am guessing the latter. No company worth their salt uses password authentication for for their production systems.

Secondly, what evidence do you present to assert "she would never find another job in the UK again"? Are you a judge? I wasn't aware Employers have the power to enforce legal decisions. If you had even a shred of evidence to back up your claims, but you don't. Ever heard of due process?

If she got struck off of the registrar of nurses, for divulging medical records, then she would never work in the UK again

Daith

1210m5g wrote: »

How do you know it was all because of a prank call? No one here has a clue what was going on in her life and no one will ever know the real reason/reason's why she done it, just like every other suicide.

True but I doubt a prank call which ended up in her releasing confidential information helped at all.

midlandsmissus

magma69 wrote: »

WTF are you talking about? If you kill yourself over being fooled by a silly prank phone call you're clearly mentally unstable. That's called using logic, not being a psychic.

If you were a nurse in England and gave out sensitive personal information about the royal family over the phone that was broadcast worldwide, and it was all on your head, would you find it trivial then?

For god sake - mentally unstable. It's alot of pressure for anyone to deal with.

username345

norrie rugger wrote: »

If she got struck off of the registrar of nurses, for divulging medical records, then she would never work in the UK again

That is for the Medical Council and/or a Judge to decide. Mob rule is illegal. Besides, she could have still applied for reinstatement of her licence. People are going to make mistakes, even big ones, it's not worth ending your life over politics.

HeyThereDeliah

1210m5g wrote: »

How do you know it was all because of a prank call? No one here has a clue what was going on in her life and no one will ever know the real reason/reason's why she done it, just like every other suicide.

Perhaps she left a suicide note explaining why she was doing it, her family should have some idea how she felt about the prank.
The thing about pranks it's never as funny to the person on the receiving end, some people cannot just shrug it off, it was very public, pretty hard for most people to take IMO.

Spiritual

Emeraldy Pebbles wrote: »

Love that people who commit suicide are still considered weak of mind by some. We have a loooong way to go in changing attitudes to mental health problems.

Eugenicists of the early 20th century loved the term "feeble-minded". Alas, not much has changed.

norrie rugger wrote: »

That has to be the most moronic thing that I have ever read

Ok, I need to address this. My point was that the woman was obviously not well if she seen suicide as the only recourse. My choice of words were not the best or most politically correct.

As for you Norrie, I would hold off on the superlatives if your posting history is anything to go by.

DDC1990

What would people think if a newspaper rang up and important information was divulged, without it being broadcast on the radio, but published the next day in the newspaper?

More then likely they would be slating the Nurse for giving up such "important" info and not being more careful.

But because it was a prank call, the DJ's are an easy target IMO.

Scruffles

Scioch wrote: »

So ringing a hospital and deceiving people into giving out provate information on air is something we should be glad of ?

Reminds me of the Dick and Dom clip where they stick a sign on a harmless old confused man all in the name of comedy tv. Some people are just selfish scum who dont care about the consequences of their actions as long as they can laugh about it.

This isnt the result of the press its a result of what those two idiots did which was wrong.

dick and dom shoud be terribly ashamed for trying to manifest themselves as comedy.
only those who dont have proper comedy material use vulnerable people such as confused elderly persons as the target,theyre guaranteed laughs from people who dont understand the concerned groups well.
bit different if they were speaking from their own experience of course as self deprecating comedy is using themselves as the butt of it.

and completely agreed it is a result of the pairs actions,it is cause and effect- the cause was their inability to think of anyone else but themselves,the effect was this ladies suicide,it is almost like the age of the internet and its anonymous properties has removed many peoples ability to understand the concept of consequence and taking responsibility for actions.

those radio show presenters shoud be giving their wages to this ladies family for the funeral costs/living expenses without her being there and grovelling like crazy.

midlandsmissus

listermint wrote: »

Its very tragic that a young women took her own life.

But christ there is a lot of rabble rabble around this thread.

Mike Murphy was doing these types of skits years ago. If its your comedic taste or not the fact is its not bullying it was a little comedy skit to see if they could speak to someone. Its done everyday on radio.

And as for the ad running on the radio station. Its 3:30AM in sydney right now. This news hasnt broken there yet


GET A BLOODY GRIP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The news has broken. Sure the radio station have released a statement about it.

Same radio station was responsible for having a 14 yr old girl wired up to a lie detector and asking her did she ever have sex, getting her to say she was raped live on air. They really need an overhaul.

They go too far. If you're doing a prank call you should have a bit of cop on and think will this cost another person their job,if it might, its going way too far for a radio show.

HeyThereDeliah

midlandsmissus wrote: »

They go too far. If you're doing a prank call you should have a bit of cop on and think will this cost another person their job,if it might, its going way too far for a radio show.

Doing a prank on the royal family was never going to end well for someone, they should have known it was going to cause lots of controversy, it was a very bad prank and not at all funny.

Fr_Dougal

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Same radio station was responsible for having a 14 yr old girl wired up to a lie detector and asking her did she ever have sex, getting her to say she was raped live on air. They really need an overhaul.

They go too far. If you're doing a prank call you should have a bit of cop on and think will this cost another person their job,if it might, its going way too far for a radio show.

Are you sure the radio station, off their own bat wired up the 14 year old?

I think you're misinformed regarding the facts on that case.

midlandsmissus

Spiritual wrote: »

Ok, I need to address this. My point was that the woman was obviously not well if she seen suicide as the only recourse. My choice of words were not the best or most politically correct.

As for you Norrie, I would hold off on the superlatives if your posting history is anything to go by.

Like,where are you getting this opinion from? One huge incident can, has, and does drive people to suicide. How was she 'obviously not well'?

Look at the kids that kill themselves over being bullied online - it might seem trivial enough to us, we might think 'I could get over comments like that being made to me online', but how do we know how we'd feel if some-one was calling us a fat and useless slag online? People sometimes just cant take abuse and ridicule.

Intensive Care Bear

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

Perhaps she left a suicide note explaining why she was doing it, her family should have some idea how she felt about the prank.
The thing about pranks it's never as funny to the person on the receiving end, some people cannot just shrug it off, it was very public, pretty hard for most people to take IMO.

Even when a victim of suicide leave a note, it can not be taking as 100%, you do not know what state of mind they were in while writing it or if the reasons that they outlined in the note are true. The fact is the only person who knew the real reasons is dead.

midlandsmissus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Are you sure it was the same radio station?

Are you sure the radio station, off their own bat wired up the 14 year old?

I think you're misinformed regarding the facts on that case.

Yes it was the same radio station. And is it relevant if it was the mother's idea. The radio station agreed to wire up a 14 year old girl on a radio show and ask her probing questions, not best practice is it? And it did,and rightly so, caused outrage.

Spiritual

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Like,where are you getting this opinion from? One huge incident can, has, and does drive people to suicide. How was she 'obviously not well'?

Look at the kids that kill themselves over being bullied online - it might seem trivial enough to us, we might think 'I could get over comments like that being made to me online', but how do we know how we'd feel if some-one was calling us a fat and useless slag online? People sometimes just cant take abuse and ridicule.

So if your next step is suicide you are well?
Whether it is a long process or a short sharp shock that initiates it you are not well.

ViveLaVie

It's awful that this woman felt the need to take her life.

However, I think calling for the heads of the DJs is a bit much. They used ATROCIOUS accents and the script was ridiculous. They probably didn't expect to get through at all. The fact that they did get through so easily is a reflection on the hospital for not having some sort of protocol in place.

I feel terribly for the nurse and wish she hadn't felt so hopeless. However, she did give out information without asking for any identity confirmation. If she was not told to do this, then it is the fault of security and the hospital.

Some people on here are saying that she was tricked and deceived into supplying the info. She wasn't really. She willingly supplied it without checking anything about the caller. The DJs sounded so fake.

Of course, no doubt she was punished disproportionately afterwards.

Can anyone clarify if you're allowed to release information on a patient to others over the phone? Afaik, you're not. Patient confidentiality protects the patient's right to privacy and family members are not automatically entitled to any information. Would I be right in saying this? If this is the case then the nurse was wrong to release the information in any case, regardless of whether the caller was the Queen or not.

Of course, the aftermath was out of control and the nurse should never have been attacked to the extent that she felt so trapped that suicide was the only answer.

However, I don't think it is fair to say the DJs caused her death. They behaved inappropriately but they certainly didn't cause her death. That was caused by pressure mounted on her by the media and the hospital.

If I tried to blag my way into a VIP party by impersonating a celebrity I would be wrong to do so but the doorman would have to bear some responsibility for letting me in. The DJs didn't make her release the information, though ringing the hospital at all was wrong.

midlandsmissus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Are you sure the radio station, off their own bat wired up the 14 year old?

I think you're misinformed regarding the facts on that case.

Do you really need to edit out the first part of your post once you realised you were wrong? What's the point in doing that? If we all do that it'll be like 1984 around here.

maiden

Daith wrote: »

True but I doubt a prank call which ended up in her releasing confidential information helped at all.

Correct me if Im wrong but it was the receptionist nurse who passed on the call to the nurse who gave the info, that committed suicide.

The poor lady didnt give out any information at all, just put thru the call

midlandsmissus

Spiritual wrote: »

So if your next step is suicide you are well?
Whether it is a long process or a short sharp shock that initiates it you are not well.

What I was replying to, and what I and other posters thought, is that you were insinuating she 'was not well' before the incident. Obviously she was not well at the time of suicide. Would you like to clarify your argument.

Fr_Dougal

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Do you really need to edit out the first part of your post once you realised you were wrong? What's the point in doing that? If we all do that it'll be like 1984 around here.

I edited it before you replied, a mod can verify that.

So the mother knew her daughter had been raped, allowed her to be hooked up to a lie detector and be asked questions of a sexual nature by a shock jock that had no idea that she had been raped; and you blame the radio station? Seriously?

IvySlayer

It's weird.

She's a nurse. Used to death, stress, emotions, dealing with all sorts of situations. I do feel sorry for the DJs, it was a prank. Bad taste but they didn't mean any harm. And the Duchess of Cambridge too, she must be feeling awful about it too.

Spiritual

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What I was replying to, and what I and other posters thought, is that you were insinuating she 'was not well' before the incident. Obviously she was not well at the time of suicide. Would you like to clarify your argument.

I am not arguing anything. The woman was not well if she committed suicide, the time she wasn't well for will be determined by the investigation of her life.
However this may never be known as people can suffer alone and the act of suicide may be the first realisation of a problem to people around them.

Insinuating is not my way I say what I mean, sometimes it may miss a beat in transfer from brain to keyboard.

midlandsmissus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I edited it before you replied, a mod can verify that.

So the mother knew her daughter had been raped, allowed her to be hooked up to a lie detector and be asked questions of a sexual nature by a shock jock that had no idea that she had been raped; and you blame the radio station? Seriously?

Okay re. your first point.

Yes of course I blame the radio station!

The girl was underage, you can tell from the very beginning she does not want to be there or do it, and they let it continue. How on any level did they think it was a good idea to put her on the radio show. None of the questions were nice,they must have asked on some level what the mother was going to ask her. They must have known they would all be questions the girl would be reluctant to reveal the answer to as that's the whole point of a lie detector test.Child protection, hello? Why didn't they check thoroughly what questions the mother was going to ask her. Why when she wasasked about sex, didnt they say cut, instead of kyle going 'Is that the only time you've had sex?'.
I mean it's so out there as for who the hell thought it was a good idea or let it happen, its almost unbelievable!

Phoenix Park

wnolan1992 wrote: »

No they bloody well don't.

They made a prank phone call for their radio show. Probably one of hundreds they've done in their careers. This is in no way their fault.

wnolan1992 wrote: »

Because they're entertaining to listen to?

If Dara O'Briain or Tommy Tiernan or any one of a million other comedians took the piss out of someone in their audience (as they do on a nightly basis) and that person happened to commit suicide, would you be calling for them to not do their acts?

The call was made for a joke, a joke which I personally thought was pretty funny. Sure, it's awful that this poor woman was hounded by the media and made feel worse about a simple mistake, but then you have to ask should we not be blaming the media that hounded her?

It's partly their fault though. Of course they are only a cog in the montrous machine, but i can't see how it can be in "no way" their fault? I'd say they're not so smug right now, she was almost a cert to lose her job once they got through, if they had half brain they should have known that, and if they don't have half a brain then what, they're excused?

By the way, if you're dumb enough to pay 25 quid to listen to Tiernan you know well that ridicule MIGHT just come your way. She went into this totally blind. Just a fairly low grade hospital worker, ridiculed, blamed, guilt-tripped. It must have been a lonely death.

I think the presenters are sccum. I don't feel the need to apologise for that. They are not the only ones to blame in all this, but they share the load. A dicckhead prank, guaranteed to cost a woman her job, and now she's dead.

Fr_Dougal

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Okay re. your first point.

Yes of course I blame the radio station!

The girl was underage, you can tell from the very beginning she does not want to be there or do it, and they let it continue. How on any level did they think it was a good idea to put her on the radio show. None of the questions were nice,they must have asked on some level what the mother was going to ask her. They must have known they would all be questions the girl would be reluctant to reveal the answer to as that's the whole point of a lie detector test.Child protection, hello? Why didn't they check thoroughly what questions the mother was going to ask her. Why when she wasasked about sex, didnt they say cut, instead of kyle going 'Is that the only time you've had sex?'.
I mean it's so out there as for who the hell thought it was a good idea or let it happen, its almost unbelievable!

Obviously her mother did, or she wouldn't have been there.

Spiritual

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I edited it before you replied, a mod can verify that.

So the mother knew her daughter had been raped, allowed her to be hooked up to a lie detector and be asked questions of a sexual nature by a shock jock that had no idea that she had been raped; and you blame the radio station? Seriously?

Father I would be of the opinion that the mother is at fault here. Though why a 14 yo would be subjected to this treatment is shocking in its own right and all participants are all, so responsible.

midlandsmissus

The radio presenters were at fault,but they can't take it back now,and they obviously didn't want some-one to die.

It has completely swung the other way now, and now they are the ones under worldwide attention and scorn. Only it is worse this time, as they are going to feel responsible for another person's death. Imagine knowing some-one killed themselves because of a stupid thing you did, and now worldwide attention and anger is on you. Thats alot of pressure.

We don't want it to end with the radio presenters feeling just as bad and with no way out as the nurse either. A horrible situation - hopefully there were many lessons learned.

midlandsmissus

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Obviously her mother did, or she wouldn't have been there.

Obviously, the mother is terrible as well! But as a radio station they are broadcasting to millions,it is their responsibility that their show segment is not causing people harm, and that they take care of people on their shows.

LordSutch

Can we please nail something down once and for all > Was it the receptionist/nurse who passed on the call that died, or was it Kate's nurse who answered all the questions posed by the Aussie 2dayFM pranksters? which nurse was Jacintha Saldanha? There seems to be a little confusion.

Laois_Man

LordSutch wrote: »

Can we please nail something down once and for all > Was it the receptionist/nurse who passed on the call that died, or was it Kate's nurse who answered the questions posed by the Aussie 2dayFM pranksters? which nurse was Jacintha Saldanha?

It was the woman who passed on the call.

up for anything

YeAh! wrote: »

Jesus! That should wipe the smile off those eefits from Australia who rang in. Smart asses

Richard Dower wrote: »

Too right, and the media in general....she made an honest mistake, but the Aussie guys knew what they were doing and set things in motion......

.....cause and effect


:mad:

And if the DJs commit suicide over the terrible comments people are making to them and about them, who will the blame for that be passed onto or will people just say sod them. It's just magnified Facebook crap. The internet needs putting down at this stage but it will get worse before it gets better, if ever. :rolleyes:

midlandsmissus

LordSutch wrote: »

Can we please nail something down once and for all > Was it the receptionist/nurse who passed on the call that died, or was it Kate's nurse who answered all the questions posed by the Aussie 2dayFM pranksters? which nurse was Jacintha Saldanha? There seems to be a little confusion.

It was the first nurse,the one who was on reception. It was a 40 something year old woman. Listen to the call,the first is an older woman, the second is a younger woman.

dd972

The nature of mass corporate media also has to take the blame, why are the UK monarchy considered to be sobloody important, all a big distracting scam to take everyone's minds off real news

TheFisherKing

Spiritual wrote: »

So if your next step is suicide you are well?

I don't see why not.

I think people are underestimating how huge this have been for her and not just in her head, but the actual reality of it.

She is a nurse at one of the most prestigious private hospitals in the world, where there are armed guards outside protecting a future queen of England and then you make a decision that results in private intimate details about her been broadcast around the world.

You then have the Prince (and most likely the rest of the British Royal family) very angry with you and perhaps calling for an investigation(even if not strenuously) and your employer is now on Sky News, BBC News, CNN etc etc making apologies for that error, saying that patient confidentiality is usually taken extremely seriously and that there would be an official review of telephone protocols.

Add to that, that the story was splashed across newspapers throughout the world and it is quite obvious that her head must have been a mess, seeing a future filled with people saying that she was the one who let it all to happen. Even just the sheer embarrassment of it all, that the Royal Family have been let down and it is her fault and that people worldwide are laughing at her.

Intense sudden pressure like that could easily cause someone to just snap.

norrie rugger

Spiritual wrote: »

Ok, I need to address this. My point was that the woman was obviously not well if she seen suicide as the only recourse. My choice of words were not the best or most politically correct.

As for you Norrie, I would hold off on the superlatives if your posting history is anything to go by.

Nope, would still stand by it.
She could have been perfectly well until all this kicked off

norrie rugger

Laois_Man wrote: »

It was the woman who passed on the call.

Who also happened to be a nurse, manning the reception desk