Property Tax - What do you get for this tax

wolfeye

The only thing you'll get for paying this property tax is a receipt.

Dingle_berry

You pay PAYE on your wages, DIRT on dividends so property tax on investing in a property? Or how about higher earners pay more PAYE, people "wealthy" enough to own property(ies) pay property tax? Those theories don't hold up when you consider the flop in the property market and resulting negative equity etc. but maybe that was too much thinking for a TD to achieve…
Taxes on motors, water etc are, in theory, to pay for the public service they are related to.

dxhound2005

wolfeye wrote: »

The only thing you'll get for paying this property tax is a receipt.

If you don't pay it you will not get a receipt.

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you don't pay it you will not get a receipt.

dxhound2005

tayto lover wrote: »

Give us 10 more from your thousands of broken election promises collection just for the crack.

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Give us 10 more from your thousands of broken election promises collection just for the crack.

jugger

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

Where does your water come from? Or where does your sewerage go? Do you have street lights?

water ....my well i paided for
sewerage .... my septic i paided for
street lights ..... none there isnt even a footpath

mikemac1

You get to pay for services while the local authority tenants up the road pay nothing

Even though they could be working and paying less rent then you

smileyj1987

Angela Merkel is getting all the money and whatever is left over goes to the banks and bondholders .

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Give us 10 more from your thousands of broken election promises collection just for the crack.

Ah FFS give me a challenge. Only 10 ????

Here's number 1.

http://www.universityobserver.ie/2011/03/01/labour-party-pledges-not-to-re-introduce-third-level-fees/

petersburg2002

northknife wrote: »

Without any replies from smartarses , what exactly do you get for paying the property tax.
I know that if you pay motor tax that this is supposedly for the roads that we drive on and income tax pays for all the services we get from our political representatives (local and national)
Water charges(tax) will be for water,we already pax taxes on the services we get(esb,eircom,etc)

So what the fúck are we paying for if and when we pay the property tax?

It goes towards paying the college fees of plagiarising local councillors who then get awarded with cushy jobs in the local 3rd level college. You couldn't make this stuff up:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/26-college-staff-accuse-councillor-of-plagiarising-thesis-3316440.html

Firefox11

Ghandee wrote: »

That all sounds good,.


That is until the next general election rolls round, and the new govt voted in (on the promise of) abolishes a property tax and any penalties/fines linked to it.

How certain are any of us that the current govt will not fall some time next year?

Dosent matter. the revenue commissioners will still come after you for what is owed even if the tax was eliminated. People seem to think that they can pull the wool over the eyes of revenue like they did with the counsels..not so.

DoesNotCompute

mikemac1 wrote: »

You get to pay for services while the local authority tenants up the road pay nothing

Even though they could be working and paying less rent then you

Lies, lies, and more lies from the "DON'T REGISTER, DON'T PAY" crowd. Here's the truth of the situation:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/budget/news/council-tenants-may-pay-new-tax-with-increase-in-their-weekly-rents-3318464.html

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Give us 10 more from your thousands of broken election promises collection just for the crack.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/broken-promises-beginning-to-stack-up-170585.html

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Give us 10 more from your thousands of broken election promises collection just for the crack.

http://politico.ie/irish-politics/8404-broken-promises-and-a-discredited-government.html


I'll do the other 276 tomorrow as i'm off to bed.

thefa

Lecturer told the class a story about how a while back the government were looking into providing bus services for the isolated country folk to get in and out of the pubs but there was war when the media went out around Dublin getting the views of the locals who weren't impressed at the thought of their tax money going towards something like this. Completely ignorant of the fact that three quarters of the country was subsidising things like the luas and Dublin Bus which they are never in touching distance of.

I suppose we all end up paying tax without seeing a direct benefit from it and I wouldn't go looking too hard into making direct links with the tax's name and what is actually done with it.

bbam

So since revenue are collecting this tax there is likely to be no way to dodge it. I'll be reasonably happy to pay it although it will leave things tighter than ever.
I'd say the councils will be looking to access the list of payees so they can check who didn't pay the €100 charge.
I wonder will the unpaid €100 be added to the property tax for those who didn't pay it??

Like I said, we can manage it for the moment. However in 2016, when it's for review and we've been through two more budgets the tax will probably be increased.

Chips Lovell

wolfeye wrote: »

The only thing you'll get for paying this property tax is a receipt.

"Will we get a receipt?"
"Will we f**k"

Ghandee

Firefox11 wrote: »

Dosent matter. the revenue commissioners will still come after you for what is owed even if the tax was eliminated. People seem to think that they can pull the wool over the eyes of revenue like they did with the counsels..not so.

The revenue will do what they're told by whatever govt happens to be in power, and passes the relevant legislation. Much like they're being told to do now.


Why don't you understand that?

barrackali

bbam wrote: »

So since revenue are collecting this tax there is likely to be no way to dodge it. I'll be reasonably happy to pay it although it will leave things tighter than ever.
I'd say the councils will be looking to access the list of payees so they can check who didn't pay the €100 charge.
I wonder will the unpaid €100 be added to the property tax for those who didn't pay it??

Like I said, we can manage it for the moment. However in 2016, when it's for review and we've been through two more budgets the tax will probably be increased.

Mr Noonan has already said that for those who haven't paid the Household Charge by July (the start of the Property tax)...the charge will be doubled and will be collected by revenue.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/budget/pay-up-or-household-charge-will-be-doubled-3317471.html


To reinforce how serious they are about collecting the tax...Revenue will now have the power to enter homes to assess tax rate.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/revenue-will-have-the-power-to-enter-homes-to-assess-tax-rate-3319241.html

I hope those who encourage others not to pay have deep pockets!

Morrisseeee

barrackali wrote: »

Mr Noonan has already said that for those who haven't paid the Household Charge by July (the start of the Property tax)...the charge will be doubled and will be collected by revenue.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/budget/pay-up-or-household-charge-will-be-doubled-3317471.html

I hope those who encourage others not to pay have deep pockets!

............and how do they know who have & haven't paid ????

eg. people who have paid have been getting the 'pay up' letter

barrackali

Morrisseeee wrote: »

............and how do they know who have & haven't paid ????

eg. people who have paid have been getting the 'pay up' letter

They made a dogs bollox of implementing the Household charge by pissing the job off to local councils.....you won't get the same problems with the revenue.

Am Chile

barrackali wrote: »

Mr Noonan has already said that for those who haven't paid the Household Charge by July (the start of the Property tax)...the charge will be doubled and will be collected by revenue.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/budget/pay-up-or-household-charge-will-be-doubled-3317471.html


To reinforce how serious they are about collecting the tax...Revenue will now have the power to enter homes to assess tax rate.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/revenue-will-have-the-power-to-enter-homes-to-assess-tax-rate-3319241.html

I hope those who encourage others not to pay have deep pockets!

Revenue will now have the power to enter homes to assess tax rate.

Talk about adding fuel to the fire.This will never be tolerated and will never be allowed by most Irish people.This government will stop @nothing to futher intrude into our lives.There will be no civil servant entering my home at the behest of the Troika or government ,It is truly penal times again,with the landlord-government storming people's homes. If they go down this road I Predict serious trouble and a lot more people taking to the streets.

barrackali

Am Chile wrote: »

Talk about adding fuel to the fire.This will never be tolerated and will never be allowed by most Irish people.This government will stop @nothing to futher intrude into our lives.There will be no civil servant entering my home at the behest of the Troika or government ,It is truly penal times again,with the landlord-government storming people's homes. If they go down this road I Predict serious trouble and a lot more people taking to the streets.

Sounds like a statement from the heart of the soviet era. Believe me...this tax will be begrudgingly accepted by the vast majority of people in this country...the others can engage in the above nonsense. Let us know how you get on....just one problem, do they allow internet access in prison btw?

Ghandee

Any revenue employee, or govt minister/TD etc that attempts to enter my home will be escorted from the premises in the appropriate manner, by whatever means necessary.

I defended my home against the British army and RUC thugs on numerous occasions in my late teens and early twenties, and will have no problem defending it against officials sent on behalf of German bondholders.

Something tells me I will not be alone in adopting this stance.

bluecode

thefa wrote: »

Lecturer told the class a story about how a while back the government were looking into providing bus services for the isolated country folk to get in and out of the pubs but there was war when the media went out around Dublin getting the views of the locals who weren't impressed at the thought of their tax money going towards something like this. Completely ignorant of the fact that three quarters of the country was subsidising things like the luas and Dublin Bus which they are never in touching distance of.

Rubbish. 40% of the population live in Dublin, 50% live in Leinster. If anything Dublin will be subsidising the rest of the country. As for bus services to go to the pub. That's the job of publicans not government.

Dubliners will also pay the most in property tax and you can be damm sure most of it won't be spent in Dublin either.

The property tax won't change anything in terms of services. We'll still get exactly what we get today and probably worse. This government constantly lies about taxes. They don't want to raise income tax because that would hit the high earners which all of them are. They don't want to cut public service pay because they are scared of unions and in any case most of them are from the same background. So we get property tax, USC, PRSI, VAT etc so they can prop up the whole rotten edifice and enjoy the adulation of the EU and and bondholders and the rest for the way we taxpayers are re-paying money the gamblers like Quinn and the rest borrowed to make themselve even richer.

They are traitors. In particular the Labour party. Because no one ever expected FG to do anything but screw the people of Ireland just like their pals in FF. You might have expected Labour to have some form of principle. Apparently not.

barrackali

Ghandee wrote: »

Any revenue employee, or govt minister/TD etc that attempts to enter my home will be escorted from the premises in the appropriate manner, by whatever means necessary.

I defended my home against the British army and RUC thugs on numerous occasions in my late teens and early twenties, and will have no problem defending it against officials sent on behalf of German bondholders.

Something tells me I will not be alone in adopting this stance.

Ah would you get over with that.....the most recent "massive" protest only attracted some 10,000 people to the streets of Dublin. You may have fewer allies than you think!

Ghandee

barrackali wrote: »

Ah would you get over with that.....the most recent "massive" protest only attracted some 10,000 people to the streets of Dublin. You may have fewer allies than you think!

Where in my post have I asked for 'allies' in defending my own home?

May I remind you that the vast majority of those eligible to vote did not vote for the Fine Gael party?

64% didn't, to be precise.

That 64% can remove them from office, and I think it's coming down the line.

Cantona's Collars

Through the generations my family have been Labour supporters & the principle of standing up for the working man.That support ends with me.The party under it's current guise is nothing but a spineless,snivelling shadow of the one of old.

What galls me most is the attitude of my local TD,Brendan Howlin who is so far up in his ivory tower that he no longer even feels the need to look down his nose at his constituents.His tone when asked about the property tax was almost as if he was laughing down his sleeve at us.

What will I see for the €300 charge,a finished surface outside my door,the empty houses fixed up,the green areas actually made useable? No-it'll head off to pay bondholders.

The country is meeting it's commitments to this shower without needing to impose a property tax but FG/Labour have used the Troika as an excuse to foist it upon an already struggling population.

Why do some here seem gleeful at the prospect of handing over cash without question? If a stranger called to the door & asked for €300 that they have no good answer to where it's going would they hand it out?

Am Chile

zerks wrote: »

Through the generations my family have been Labour supporters & the principle of standing up for the working man.That support ends with me.The party under it's current guise is nothing but a spineless,snivelling shadow of the one of old.

What galls me most is the attitude of my local TD,Brendan Howlin who is so far up in his ivory tower that he no longer even feels the need to look down his nose at his constituents.His tone when asked about the property tax was almost as if he was laughing down his sleeve at us.

What will I see for the €300 charge,a finished surface outside my door,the empty houses fixed up,the green areas actually made useable? No-it'll head off to pay bondholders.

The country is meeting it's commitments to this shower without needing to impose a property tax but FG/Labour have used the Troika as an excuse to foist it upon an already struggling population.

Why do some here seem gleeful at the prospect of handing over cash without question? If a stranger called to the door & asked for €300 that they have no good answer to where it's going would they hand it out?

I think in years to come-people in general and former Labour supporters will look back and say Eamon Gilmore will forever be remembered as the man who led the Labour party to complete electoral annihilation.

thefa

bluecode wrote: »

Rubbish. 40% of the population live in Dublin, 50% live in Leinster. If anything Dublin will be subsidising the rest of the country. As for bus services to go to the pub. That's the job of publicans not government.

Dubliners will also pay the most in property tax and you can be damm sure most of it won't be spent in Dublin either.

Creating your own figures there. Search it on google for 2011 figures.

I doubt the last part is true either (or at least not to the extent you make it sound) but there's no figures on that.

UCDVet

You'll get nothing for it.

And once it's accepted by the general population, good luck ever getting rid of it.

Do we really need another reason to leave this country?
http://factsaresacred.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/emigration-Ireland-1987-2011.jpg

tiny timy

A lighter pocket to pay for pig head hogans dail pints

Chips Lovell

Dublin does subsidise the rest of the country.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78277405&postcount=46

bluecode

thefa wrote: »

Creating your own figures there. Search it on google for 2011 figures.

I doubt the last part is true either (or at least not to the extent you make it sound) but there's no figures on that.

Yeah you're right it's only 39.3% or something like that and the second part is true too as seen in the other post. I don't know if that's good or bad news for Dublin haters.

dxhound2005

UCDVet wrote: »

You'll get nothing for it.

And once it's accepted by the general population, good luck ever getting rid of it.

Do we really need another reason to leave this country?
http://factsaresacred.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/emigration-Ireland-1987-2011.jpg

Are you leaving the country because of the property tax or for another reason? If you manage to become a property owner where ever you go you will have to pay property tax. Maybe the reason that so many foreign people are coming here is that we had no property tax and then only €100 in the last year. I expect all the ones with houses will leave now to avoid the higher tax.

Non-Irish nationals living in Ireland
There were a total of 544,357 non-Irish nationals living in Ireland in April 2011, representing 199
different nations.
The growth in the number of non-Irish nationals has continued since 2006, albeit at a slower pace than
earlier years. Total numbers increased by 124,624 over the five years to April 2011 which represents a
rise of 30 per cent.
Polish nationals increased by 93.7 per cent since 2006 from 63,276 to 122,585 in 2011 marking them
the largest group ahead of UK nationals with 112,259.

thefa

bluecode wrote: »

Yeah you're right it's only 39.3% or something like that and the second part is true too as seen in the other post. I don't know if that's good or bad news for Dublin haters.

Nearer 28% with figures from here.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0630/census.html

ilovesleep

I see revenue aren't sending the bailiffs to Bertie's door or Pr1ck Wallace's door:
"I'll pay have my income to revenue for my greedy cock up" and turn around and claim an allowance for being independant, boosting up his income and not actually pay half at all, at all. And then feck off to poland to watch a match.
The government is treating us like maggots to be stepped on.

Hippies!

You should get a certificate of naivety if you pay

Smidge

Yeah I hear you. When I get services provided then ill pay. I didn't spend a fortune putting in water, a septic tank etc so I can get shafted on yet another tax.
I pay enough in taxes as it is. This isn't a dig at anyone on social welfare but I know some people getting it & they seem to have a better lifestyle than I do even though I'm working full time in a good job. I'm beginning to wonder is working all its cracked up to be & it's all these extra taxes that have me pissed off about everything.
From what I can see the more you do in this country then the more likely you are to get targeted.[/QUOTE]

You are aware that people who also bought houses and paid for water, septic tank, stamp duty, etc have found themselves now on social welfare?
They paid the same as you then and pay the same as you now.
Water bill, bins, HHC, property tax and all out of a social welfare payment.

You should count your lucky stars that you still, as you put it have a "good job".

If you feel that people are having a better lifestyle than you while in receipt of a social welfare payment, well then you have me bewildered.

UCDVet

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Are you leaving the country because of the property tax or for another reason? If you manage to become a property owner where ever you go you will have to pay property tax. Maybe the reason that so many foreign people are coming here is that we had no property tax and then only €100 in the last year. I expect all the ones with houses will leave now to avoid the higher tax.

Non-Irish nationals living in Ireland
There were a total of 544,357 non-Irish nationals living in Ireland in April 2011, representing 199
different nations.
The growth in the number of non-Irish nationals has continued since 2006, albeit at a slower pace than
earlier years. Total numbers increased by 124,624 over the five years to April 2011 which represents a
rise of 30 per cent.
Polish nationals increased by 93.7 per cent since 2006 from 63,276 to 122,585 in 2011 marking them
the largest group ahead of UK nationals with 112,259.

Irish people are leaving at a greater rate than previous years.
Non-Irish people are coming at a lower rate than previous years.

Do I honestly think people are going to pack and move because of the property tax? No, I really don't. But it's not *just* the property tax. It's been and will continue to be a slow and steady trickle of increased taxes on lots of things and a slow decrease in the benefits people get for their taxes. And when you look at the big picture, I ABSOLUTELY think the number of Irish folk leaving Ireland is going to increase.

And the figures support that. Nobody is saying Ireland is the worst place in the world, but more Irish people are looking elsewhere for a life they can't manage to have in Ireland.

When my wife and I first came to Ireland we intended on becoming citizens. We both really like the country and we've met some really great people here. But economically, we can't justify it. We rent, but the household tax will inevitable get passed to renters. The PSRI changes will mean less money in my pocket. The VAT significantly more than double what I'd pay elsewhere. The costs associated with transportation are very high and the Dublin Bus hikes (that will probably continue) are significant for me. More taxes on beer and wine are being added, not to mention the upcoming water tax. And that's all just dancing around the income tax rates. I could earn 10x my current wage in other countries and still pay a lower percentage of my income to taxes. Oh, and the GNIB 'tax' was doubled too! Between the annual cost of the GNIB card the bi-annual cost of my green card, I'm paying 65 euro per month just for the privilege of paying all these other taxes! My ESB bill seems to grow each year too.

Every time I turn around I'm paying more money for less. And I don't see any likely end to any of it.

So I am leaving Ireland. And the only reason I'm leaving is the amount of taxes/cost of living compared to other countries I can live and work in.

But being an immigrant probably makes it easier for me to pack up and leave. I've already left my family and don't have a deep cultural connection. Still, it's a bad sign when people looking for a better life are looking elsewhere.