Property Tax - What do you get for this tax

Ghandee

Sam Kade wrote: »

Next year the revenue will be responsible for collecting it, they can send in the bailiffs to collect directly off you if you refuse to pay. If you didn't pay this year €200 will be added to next years bill. You can use the deferred payment if you are under a certain income up to 2017 but they will charge for 4 years + 4% interest. If they don't get paid the charge will go on your house whenever it is sold/transferred + penalty's and interest, so they will be getting most of what your house is worth if it drags on for many years.

That all sounds good,.


That is until the next general election rolls round, and the new govt voted in (on the promise of) abolishes a property tax and any penalties/fines linked to it.

How certain are any of us that the current govt will not fall some time next year?

Wicklowrider

Your taxes will pay for this kind of thing before it will pay for fire services etc

http://newsfeed.eastcoast.fm/2012/09/wicklow-councillor-defends-trip-to-abu.html

tayto lover

Sam Kade wrote: »

Next year the revenue will be responsible for collecting it, they can send in the bailiffs to collect directly off you if you refuse to pay. If you didn't pay this year €200 will be added to next years bill. You can use the deferred payment if you are under a certain income up to 2017 but they will charge for 4 years + 4% interest. If they don't get paid the charge will go on your house whenever it is sold/transferred + penalty's and interest, so they will be getting most of what your house is worth if it drags on for many years.

Isn't that the way Cromwell treated us too ?

Hilly Bill

What does the Universal social charge go on then?

Sam Kade

Ghandee wrote: »

That all sounds good,.


That is until the next general election rolls round, and the new govt voted in (on the promise of) abolishes a property tax and any penalties/fines linked to it.

How certain are any of us that the current govt will not fall some time next year?

It's a no win no win situation :mad:

RandomName2

northknife wrote: »

So what the fúck are we paying for if and when we pay the property tax?

To stay out of prison. :pac:

And to pay off the national debt.

dxhound2005

Hilly Bill wrote: »

What does the Universal social charge go on then?

Probably whatever the Income Levy and the Health Levy went on. Both of these were in place when the present government took power and they decided to consolidate them under the one heading USC. In the old days we used to have the "Stamp" and income tax rates of 35%, 48% and 60% but no USC.

tayto lover

Ghandee wrote: »

That all sounds good,.


That is until the next general election rolls round, and the new govt voted in (on the promise of) abolishes a property tax and any penalties/fines linked to it.

How certain are any of us that the current govt will not fall some time next year?

Fcuk me Ghandee if I thought that FF would get back in on a promise to get rid of it i'd nearly run out tomorrow and pay it.

bmaxi

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

Where does your water come from? Or where does your sewerage go? Do you have street lights?

Well, in our management fees we pay for street lighting, road maintenance, water and sewage pipe maintenance, grounds maintenance? What do you pay for?

Ghandee

bmaxi wrote: »

Well, in our management fees we pay for street lighting, road maintenance, water and sewage pipe maintenance, grounds maintenance? What do you pay for?

I think thegirlinthestripedsocks actually opposes a property tax and she's been misinterpreted on this thread.

girl in the striped socks

bmaxi wrote: »

Well, in our management fees we pay for street lighting, road maintenance, water and sewage pipe maintenance, grounds maintenance? What do you pay for?

I don't have street lighting. The roads are crap.
Water & septic tank are paid for by myself.

I thought housing estates were the responsibility of the council in relation to lighting, sewerage, water etc. I could easily have made that up too! But for some reason I have that in my head.

And if you pay management fees then why should you pay again? It makes no sense whatsoever! Typical idiotic reasoning from the clowns in the dail.

steamengine

northknife wrote: »

Without any replies from smartarses , what exactly do you get for paying the property tax.
I know that if you pay motor tax that this is supposedly for the roads that we drive on and income tax pays for all the services we get from our political representatives (local and national)
Water charges(tax) will be for water,we already pax taxes on the services we get(esb,eircom,etc)

So what the fúck are we paying for if and when we pay the property tax?

Nothing - It's a revenue raising measure , and it was mentioned that the rate may vary - upwards no doubt - further on down the line by the respective councils according to their needs. AFAICS it's just the old rates system dressed up differently !!!

bmaxi

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

I don't have street lighting. The roads are crap.
Water & septic tank are paid for by myself.

I thought housing estates were the responsibility of the council in relation to lighting, sewerage, water etc. I could easily have made that up too! But for some reason I have that in my head.

And if you pay management fees then why should you pay again? It makes no sense whatsoever! Typical idiotic reasoning from the clowns in the dail.

In the 1990s/early 2000s County Councils made it a condition for granting planning permission that estates were managed by a Management Company. Estates built before then are the responsibility of the local authorities and in theory managed estates should, on completion, be taken in charge by local authorities but they continually move the goalposts.

Ghost Buster

northknife wrote: »

Without any replies from smartarses , what exactly do you get for paying the property tax.
I know that if you pay motor tax that this is supposedly for the roads that we drive on and income tax pays for all the services we get from our political representatives (local and national)
Water charges(tax) will be for water,we already pax taxes on the services we get(esb,eircom,etc)

So what the fúck are we paying for if and when we pay the property tax?

The same stuff that renters get but they dont have to pay..

girl in the striped socks

bmaxi wrote: »

In the 1990s/early 2000s County Councils made it a condition for granting planning permission that estates were managed by a Management Company. Estates built before then are the responsibility of the local authorities and in theory managed estates should, on completion, be taken in charge by local authorities but they continually move the goalposts.

Thanks for the explanation.

northknife

northknife wrote: »

Without any replies from smartarses , what exactly do you get for paying the property tax.
I know that if you pay motor tax that this is supposedly for the roads that we drive on and income tax pays for all the services we get from our political representatives (local and national)
Water charges(tax) will be for water,we already pax taxes on the services we get(esb,eircom,etc)

So what the fúck are we paying for if and when we pay the property tax?

Public lighting, in the country as well as towns and cities. Public libraries, Civic offices (town Mayor, county and town council offices,planning etc), Sewage other than (private septic tanks), footpaths, cycleways, street cleaning, public rubbish bins,
That's my understanding anyway.

Ghost Buster

Deleted User wrote: »

Public lighting, in the country as well as towns and cities. Public libraries, Civic offices (town Mayor, county and town council offices,planning etc), Sewage other than (private septic tanks), footpaths, cycleways, street cleaning, public rubbish bins,
That's my understanding anyway.

As I said.Stuff that renters use but dont have to pay for

guinness4ever

Yeh, I'm looking to avoid it as well. I think we should wait and see what the independent TD's are doing??

LostBoy101

Hilly Bill wrote: »

What does the Universal social charge go on then?

It's just another way to gain revenue for the government.

dxhound2005

guinness4ever wrote: »

Yeh, I'm looking to avoid it as well. I think we should wait and see what the independent TD's are doing??

I will be awaiting the response of the Independents with interest also. I have read that one of the provisions of the LTP legislation will be that persons who require a tax clearance certificate will not be able to obtain one if they are in default of the tax. This regulation applies to TD's but the present HHC legislation does not deny certificates to defaulters. So we shall see if that changes their present bizarre stance as elected lawmakers breaking the law and encouraging others to do so as well.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/business/running/tax-clearance.html

The requirement to produce a Tax Clearance Certificate usually arises in the context of a person seeking State money (e.g. Government contracts, grants) or obtaining licences (e.g. excise licence, road transport licence) but can also arise in other cases (e.g. the Standards in Public Office Act, 2001 recently applied tax clearance requirements to persons elected to the Dail or Seanad, judicial appointees and senior office appointees). Apart from situations where a person is legally required to produce a Tax Clearance Certificate, Revenue is also prepared to issue a Certificate to any customer whose tax affairs are in order.

wolfeye

The only thing you'll get for paying this property tax is a receipt.

Dingle_berry

You pay PAYE on your wages, DIRT on dividends so property tax on investing in a property? Or how about higher earners pay more PAYE, people "wealthy" enough to own property(ies) pay property tax? Those theories don't hold up when you consider the flop in the property market and resulting negative equity etc. but maybe that was too much thinking for a TD to achieve…
Taxes on motors, water etc are, in theory, to pay for the public service they are related to.

dxhound2005

wolfeye wrote: »

The only thing you'll get for paying this property tax is a receipt.

If you don't pay it you will not get a receipt.

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you don't pay it you will not get a receipt.

dxhound2005

tayto lover wrote: »

Give us 10 more from your thousands of broken election promises collection just for the crack.

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Give us 10 more from your thousands of broken election promises collection just for the crack.

jugger

girl in the striped socks wrote: »

Where does your water come from? Or where does your sewerage go? Do you have street lights?

water ....my well i paided for
sewerage .... my septic i paided for
street lights ..... none there isnt even a footpath

mikemac1

You get to pay for services while the local authority tenants up the road pay nothing

Even though they could be working and paying less rent then you

smileyj1987

Angela Merkel is getting all the money and whatever is left over goes to the banks and bondholders .

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Give us 10 more from your thousands of broken election promises collection just for the crack.

Ah FFS give me a challenge. Only 10 ????

Here's number 1.

http://www.universityobserver.ie/2011/03/01/labour-party-pledges-not-to-re-introduce-third-level-fees/